The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

Enquiring wrote: »

Can inter county competitions continue when some counties can receive and spend millions every year while other counties are spending tiny fractions of that?

If a county is unhappy with their sponsorship deal, it's up to the county board to negotiate better terms or get a new sponsor, like cork have done. And fair play to them. That's their own money.

Only central funding should be up for debate and pooling. Not private sponsorship.

ArielAtom

dobman88 wrote: »

If a county is unhappy with their sponsorship deal, it's up to the county board to negotiate better terms or get a new sponsor, like cork have done. And fair play to them. That's their own money.

Only central funding should be up for debate and pooling. Not private sponsorship.

Dob, It’s all about what’s attractive to a potential sponsor. Some here want all sponsorship is pooled.It’ll never happen, much like splitting Dublin.

The White Feather

I don't think anyone has a problem with Sponsorship deals. Its the money allocated from Croke Park is the issue

dobman88 wrote: »

If a county is unhappy with their sponsorship deal, it's up to the county board to negotiate better terms or get a new sponsor, like cork have done. And fair play to them. That's their own money.

Only central funding should be up for debate and pooling. Not private sponsorship.

That's not possible and you know it's not possible. In this GAA you envisage, it's about those who can gain access to funds who will excel and those who can't will be confined to the b competitions I assume you're in favour of. There's only one path that will lead us down.

That's not the GAA I want to see and it's not what the GAA is supposed to be about. If you're happy to compete unfairly then you are in the same boat as the Dubs. The rest of us have to stand up and put a stop to this.

ArielAtom wrote: »

Dob, It’s all about what’s attractive to a potential sponsor. Some here want all sponsorship is pooled. It’ll never happen, much like splitting Dublin.

The association as a whole is the attraction. It's games where every county enters and competes. There won't be much chance attracting sponsors if it's Dublin v Kerry every year.

If dublin's sponsorship total went up to €5 million a year they still wouldn't win a senior hurling all ireland.

The munster football championship continues when some counties can receive and spend millions every year while other counties are spending tiny fractions of that.

At least the argument that Dublin aren't competing on a professional level has gone out the window. A bit like the games development money was just for primary school kids before that or it's just a one off team or Dublin have better volunteers etc etc

Enquiring wrote: »

That's not possible and you know it's not possible. In this GAA you envisage, it's about those who can gain access to funds who will excel and those who can't will be confined to the b competitions I assume you're in favour of. There's only one path that will lead us down.

That's not the GAA I want to see and it's not what the GAA is supposed to be about. If you're happy to compete unfairly then you are in the same boat as the Dubs. The rest of us have to stand up and put a stop to this.

Mad how much you wrongly assume from my limited postings on this subject. Its one of the reasons I dont usually bother with this thread.

Posting on this thread will do fcuk all for standing up and.putting a stop to it tbf. Only the lads in croke park have that power, not a bunch of us random lads on a website. Any county can access sponsorship funds, there is no rule against it. It's up to that county to come up with a plan and sell it to potential investors. Cork seem to have done that.

The only financial issue that should be up for debate is central funding and an equal distribution of that. A countys private sponsorship is for their own use.

dobman88 wrote: »

Mad how much you wrongly assume from my limited postings on this subject. Its one of the reasons I dont usually bother with this thread.

Posting on this thread will do fcuk all for standing up and.putting a stop to it tbf. Only the lads in croke park have that power, not a bunch of us random lads on a website. Any county can access sponsorship funds, there is no rule against it. It's up to that county to come up with a plan and sell it to potential investors. Cork seem to have done that.

The only financial issue that should be up for debate is central funding and an equal distribution of that. A countys private sponsorship is for their own use.

That's why I've said we must get this message across through our club delegates, at county board level, however possible. You think some counties just aren't working hard enough to get million euro sponsorship deals? Sounds something like Pat Gilroy et all have been throwing out. Spending is not only confined to central funding. Some counties are happy to buy success but that's not what the GAA is or at least was about.

Where in that post do I advocate a second tier championship? Thanks for being a fan tho, hope you're enjoying my musings.

As it happens, I would be in favour of a tiered championship, if done correctly. We have it in hurling. The ladies have it. The club game has it. Why would football not have it? A tiered championship just makes sense if done correctly.

Not sure why anyone would be against it tbh

dobman88 wrote: »

Where in that post do I advocate a second tier championship? Thanks for being a fan tho, hope you're enjoying my musings.

As it happens, I would be in favour of a tiered championship, if done correctly. We have it in hurling. The ladies have it. The club game has it. Why would football not have it? A tiered championship just makes sense if done correctly.

Not sure why anyone would be against it tbh

I posted that as it's clear what angle you're coming from when defending Dublin GAA and huge sponsorship money received by some counties.

And someone in favour of unfair competitions would, of course, be in favour of demoting teams not deemed worthy to a b championship.

Instead of killing Gaelic Football in these counties, why not call for every county to be funded appropriately? I am sure why certain counties would be against that.

Enquiring wrote: »

I posted that as it's clear what angle you're coming from when defending Dublin GAA and huge sponsorship money received by some counties.

And someone in favour of unfair competitions would, of course, be in favour of demoting teams not deemed worthy to a b championship.

Instead of killing Gaelic Football in these counties, why not call for every county to be funded appropriately? I am sure why certain counties would be against that.

Why does a tiered championship work so well in every other aspect of the GAA but is frowned upon when it comes to county football?

Leitrim or Wicklow have no chance to win Sam. But in a tiered structure they would have a genuine chance of All Ireland honours. I watched the Joe McDonagh final between Antrim and Kerry. The way they celebrated the win, it definitely mattered.

Strumms

Enquiring wrote: »

I posted that as it's clear what angle you're coming from when defending Dublin GAA and huge sponsorship money received by some counties.

And someone in favour of unfair competitions would, of course, be in favour of demoting teams not deemed worthy to a b championship.

Instead of killing Gaelic Football in these counties, why not call for every county to be funded appropriately? I am sure why certain counties would be against that.

There are 259 GAA clubs in Cork I’m reading.

There are 21 in Longford.

Nobody is suggesting that Longford and Cork receive the same money.

Longford don’t need the money that Cork need...

Neither are Longford going to start challenging if you throw them a cheque for 800,000

Cork on the other hand have xxxx times what Longford have in terms of players, clubs, facilities that need running... that money is thinly spread but put to great use.

dobman88 wrote: »

Why does a tiered championship work so well in every other aspect of the GAA but is frowned upon when it comes to county football?

Leitrim or Wicklow have no chance to win Sam. But in a tiered structure they would have a genuine chance of All Ireland honours. I watched the Joe McDonagh final between Antrim and Kerry. The way they celebrated the win, it definitely mattered.

Because it will kill the games in the counties demoted. A big issue with hurling is that not enough counties can compete. Why ensure it's the same with football? Once counties are cut off, that's the end of it. They'll be playing in the Tommy Murphy cup forever. Look at Offaly hurling.

Instead of punishing counties for not having the resources of Dublin or Kerry, supply them with the appropriate resources. Give them access to professional coaches, to top class facilities etc. Don't force them into a competition where some counties are paying a million plus on team preparations and then tell them you're volunteers don't work hard enough or your county board needs to work harder. Then when you've cashed another cheque you tell them now you shouldn't be allowed on the same pitch as us.

Strumms wrote: »

There are 259 GAA clubs in Cork I’m reading.

There are 21 in Longford.

Nobody is suggesting that Longford and Cork receive the same money.

Longford don’t need the money that Cork need...

Neither are Longford going to start challenging if you throw them a cheque for 800,000

Cork on the other hand have xxxx times what Longford have in terms of players, clubs, facilities that need running... that money is thinly spread but put to great use.

Yes, no one has suggested that!

It's interesting though that you bring up Longford. They nearly beat Dublin in 2006, this was just after the increase in funding was sent Dublin's way. The investment into Dublin GAA was supposed to bring results. The GAA wanted and needed to make a return on it. So Dublin were moved to Croke Park for every championship game for the next 10 years after that scare v Longford.

Amazingly, Longford were able to compete with Dublin before the millions of euros took effect. It's crazy the difference money can make.

Strumms

Enquiring wrote: »

Yes, no one has suggested that!

It's interesting though that you bring up Longford. They nearly beat Dublin in 2006, this was just after the increase in funding was sent Dublin's way. The investment into Dublin GAA was supposed to bring results. The GAA wanted and needed to make a return on it. So Dublin were moved to Croke Park for every championship game for the next 10 years after that scare v Longford.

Amazingly, Longford were able to compete with Dublin before the millions of euros took effect. It's crazy the difference money can make.

Euros didn’t take effect, sorry. Talent on the other hand certainly did.

Longford didn’t nearly beat Dublin, they lost by two points. If the game had ended a draw... the ‘nearly beat...’ may have had a flicker of truth..

beggars_bush

Strumms wrote: »

Euros didn’t take effect, sorry. Talent on the other hand certainly did.

Longford didn’t nearly beat Dublin, they lost by two points. If the game had ended a draw... the ‘nearly beat...’ may have had a flicker of truth..

How close would they get now?
Btw that was a good longford team

Strumms wrote: »

Euros didn’t take effect, sorry. Talent on the other hand certainly did.

Longford didn’t nearly beat Dublin, they lost by two points. If the game had ended a draw... the ‘nearly beat...’ may have had a flicker of truth..

Money did take effect, across the board. About 100 titles in Dublin GAA post funding.

Yes, they had a late goal chance if memory serves me correctly. That's how they nearly won. HQ couldn't be having that, Dublin footballers have only played 2 away games in the championship since then! Learn what an away game is.

they played 2 away games in 2019 alone, 2 the year before that too.

beggars_bush

ooter wrote: »

Fake news, they played 2 away games in 2019 alone, 2 the year before that too.

How many of them in leinster were not in a neutral ground?
ie portlaoise
How many of them were not in super/crap 8s?

tikkahunter

Strumms wrote: »

There are 259 GAA clubs in Cork I’m reading.

There are 21 in Longford.

Nobody is suggesting that Longford and Cork receive the same money.

Longford don’t need the money that Cork need...

Neither are Longford going to start challenging if you throw them a cheque for 800,000

Cork on the other hand have xxxx times what Longford have in terms of players, clubs, facilities that need running... that money is thinly spread but put to great use.

The clubs don't get the money so that is one of the biggest myths that is spread around. If certain counties stopped wasting money and started hiring GPO's that go out around the primary schools then they might start heading down the right track. Thats where the money goes not to the clubs. Dublin companies sponsoring Dublin teams jesus who ever thought that would happen.AIG are there because of the shear sales in Jerseys, training gear in Dublin .They are always going to have the highest sponsorship deal in that department.Counties need to start looking at their own lack of vision and lack of guidance in seeking sponsorship.

MayoAreMagic

dobman88 wrote: »

Why does a tiered championship work so well in every other aspect of the GAA but is frowned upon when it comes to county football?

Leitrim or Wicklow have no chance to win Sam. But in a tiered structure they would have a genuine chance of All Ireland honours. I watched the Joe McDonagh final between Antrim and Kerry. The way they celebrated the win, it definitely mattered.

In fairness, if you are fobbing a raft of counties off into a lower tiered championship based on their performance, then dublin would have to go into the railway cup on the same criteria...

Strumms

Enquiring wrote: »

Money did take effect, across the board. About 100 titles in Dublin GAA post funding.

Yes, they had a late goal chance if memory serves me correctly. That's how they nearly won. HQ couldn't be having that, Dublin footballers have only played 2 away games in the championship since then! Learn what an away game is.

Dublin can play as many games as you like outside of Dublin. Then when no fûcker.. Dublin fan or opposition fan can get tickets... uproar from both sides... works fine in the league, Dublin travel without complaint or quibble.

Fitzgerald Stadium has only about 49% capacity of Croker. 38,000....9,000 of which are seated....sound reasonable to have an all Ireland quarter or semi final there ? Not to me it doesn’t.

Does Fitzgerald have boxes / suites that can be used as a revenue generator to fund the sport from junior to senior, countrywide ? Genuine question, as the majority of its website is dedicated to reminding, reminiscing about the Kerry glory years... no actual technical information.

y0ssar1an22

has the laois offaly amalgamation happened yet?

thats why the split will never happen.

how many coaches do dublin have vs kildare for example?

MayoAreMagic

Strumms wrote: »

Dublin can play as many games as you like outside of Dublin. Then when no fûcker.. Dublin fan or opposition fan can get tickets... uproar from both sides... works fine in the league, Dublin travel without complaint or quibble.

Fitzgerald Stadium has only about 49% capacity of Croker. 38,000....9,000 of which are seated....sound reasonable to have an all Ireland quarter or semi final there ? Not to me it doesn’t.

Does Fitzgerald have boxes / suites that can be used as a revenue generator to fund the sport from junior to senior, countrywide ? Genuine question, as the majority of its website is dedicated to reminding, reminiscing about the Kerry glory years... no actual technical information.

Wouldnt agree. How many dublin fans would travel to fitzgerald stadium consistently for a start? Are dublin even getting 40,000 on their own doorstep in croke park for leinster games these days? I dont think they are. So you would imagine that moving it elsewhere would be a positive thing. Mayo played kerry in limerick in an all ireland semi final and it was a brilliant occasion with an atmosphere superior to many ive attended in cp.
Re boxes, they can pay for a seat the same as everyone else. Gaa is a sport of the common person first and foremost. There are lots of towns that could really do with the business championship games could generate. That is more important than placating some sh*thouse who would only attend in a corporate box, for my money anyway. The whole thing shouldnt hinge on grabbing every cent possible.

beggars_bush wrote: »

How many of them in leinster were not in a neutral ground?
ie portlaoise
How many of them were not in super/crap 8s?

Super 8s is part of the championship, if the game is outside dublin it's an away game.
When posters are throwing out blatant untruths like the dublin senior footballers have only played 2 away championship games since 2006, you really have to question the other stuff that is being trotted out.

the kelt

ooter wrote: »

Super 8s is part of the championship, if the game is outside dublin it's an away game.
When posters are throwing out blatant untruths like the dublin senior footballers have only played 2 away championship games since 2006, you really have to question the other stuff that is being trotted out.

Yeah if someone got the number of away games wrong in a post you have to question whether Dublin got any excess funding compared to other counties or whether the Dublin hurlers had any success at all