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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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Dermo123

Here it is, the latest building proped up with iron girders.

fonecrusher1

Its funny how the bleeding heart 'new buildings are evil' crowd aren't at all as passionate about getting these issues flagged with local authorities. I mean the cohort who automatically and vehemently object to anything new because its eroding the character of Cork. Is the maintenance / restoration of such "historically important" buildings not as whinge worthy? :pac:

whisky_galore

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Someone was killed, did nothing to prompt continuous inspection/repair

It's stuff worthy of a developing country/failed state.

[Deleted User]

questionmark? wrote: »

Its an absolute joke that this keeps happening. Will it take someone getting killed before steps are taken to address what is very clearly an issue in the city centre.

Someone was killed, did nothing to prompt continuous inspection/repair

questionmark?

Dermo123 wrote: »

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/emergency-works-underway-cork-city-19530559
Yet another building in a dangerous condition...

Its an absolute joke that this keeps happening. Will it take someone getting killed before steps are taken to address what is very clearly an issue in the city centre.

Dermo123

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/emergency-works-underway-cork-city-19530559
Yet another building in a dangerous condition...

kub

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Do you have details on that route?

Yes it will start at the Train Station, onto Monahan Rd, onto Mahon Point and back.

cantalach

TheChizler wrote: »

They related to Marina Quarter Limited?

I think for large developments, it’s common for the developer to set up a separate company just for that project. It was certainly that way when we bought our first place in Dublin 20 years ago.

marno21

It's Glenveagh alright. The names and addresses/email addresses in the engineering documents verify this.

questionmark?

TheChizler wrote: »

They related to Marina Quarter Limited?

According to Cork Crane account on twitter thats who it is. If your not on it whoever is behind the account does good summaries of whats happening around the city so good chance its correct on this occasion as well.

TheChizler

questionmark? wrote: »

Its Glenveagh homes so if its who I'm thinking off will build. There is a but though, apartments aren't financially viable right now for many so it maybe a few years before a build even if permission granted. Looks great though and good use of the site.

They related to Marina Quarter Limited?

questionmark?

TheChizler wrote: »

Permission and flip?

Its Glenveagh homes so if its who I'm thinking off will build. There is a but though, apartments aren't financially viable right now for many so it maybe a few years before a build even if permission granted. Looks great though and good use of the site.

cantalach

major interest wrote: »

SHD application gone in for 1,000 apartments for the former Ford distribution site in the marina.

https://thesouthdocks.ie/

To be known by the locals at Monahattan. You heard it here first.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

kub wrote: »

At least Bus Eireann are being proactive here with their recently announced new 212 route.

Do you have details on that route?

kub

major interest wrote: »

SHD application gone in for 1,000 apartments for the former Ford distribution site in the marina.

https://thesouthdocks.ie/

At least Bus Eireann are being proactive here with their recently announced new 212 route.

TheChizler

major interest wrote: »

SHD application gone in for 1,000 apartments for the former Ford distribution site in the marina.

https://thesouthdocks.ie/

Permission and flip?

major interest

SHD application gone in for 1,000 apartments for the former Ford distribution site in the marina.

https://thesouthdocks.ie/

Shedite27

normanbond wrote: »

The coronavirus will have a huge impact on schooling and work practices in the near and far future. Remote learning and remote working will substantially increase as lessons are learned from behaviours during this pandemic.
Students heretofore needed to move into university cities to attend college, this will no longer be the case. There will most likely be a big decline in overseas students arriving here. It would probably make sense that a moratorium be placed on granting planning permission to high rise student accommodation for a couple of years. Demand for same is hard to calculate now.
Student accommodation blocks don’t have a provision for many car parking spaces so it’s unlikely they would be suitable for conversion into family accommodation units. In the event of diminishing demand for student accommodation it is hard to see what alternative use could they provide?
Are we going to be looking at more ‘ghost developments’??

The classes are only half of the college experience. It's meeting life friends, your wife, taking up new sports and hobbies, beign influenced by others seeing how they study. Can't do that via Zoom.

And I'd argue it's the same reasons work from home doesn't work for anyone in their 20's and early 30's

Tomtom364

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You're not doing a science course remotely.

I do a degree part time which usually means I commute to Dublin 1 day a week from Cork. It's à degree that is perfectly suited to online learning. No real need for any in person practical things.

no commute is an god send however I'd go straight back in tomorrow if I could. Online learning is absolutely not a good way to do a a degree in my experience

[Deleted User]

normanbond wrote: »

The coronavirus will have a huge impact on schooling and work practices in the near and far future. Remote learning and remote working will substantially increase as lessons are learned from behaviours during this pandemic.
Students heretofore needed to move into university cities to attend college, this will no longer be the case. There will most likely be a big decline in overseas students arriving here. It would probably make sense that a moratorium be placed on granting planning permission to high rise student accommodation for a couple of years. Demand for same is hard to calculate now.
Student accommodation blocks don’t have a provision for many car parking spaces so it’s unlikely they would be suitable for conversion into family accommodation units. In the event of diminishing demand for student accommodation it is hard to see what alternative use could they provide?
Are we going to be looking at more ‘ghost developments’??

You're not doing a science course remotely.

WoolyJumper

No I don't see remote college happening long term at all. As soon as it's over it will be back to normal. Besides the fact there is a huge social aspect to college and school you also have to remember exams, labs etc realistically need to be in person. Also its incredibly difficult to communicate effective as a big group on zoom call. Trying to engage and debate in a lesson is much more difficult when there is a time delay, connections are slow and people are breaking up.

I am doing a masters part time and going remote has been a blessing in terms of I have gained a lot of time back not commuting to work and college( I don't know how I managed working full time while doing a masters last year). But if this was my first time in college I would be really missing the social aspect. Communicating with lecturers and other classmates is more difficult. If I hadn't had a year of this course where I wasn't remote I probably wouldn't have got to know any of my classmates and would feel very alone in trying to approach difficult assignments etc.

Treehelpplease

Remote learning will not happen. i am a student and it was bearable for the start but everyone is sick of it now, students are struggling an extreme amount and i've spoken to many who have considered dropping out they have been so stressed working from home without ever seeing their class. first years too find it especially difficult. I believe UCC are trying to get as much in person time next year as they can. i also know loads of students still moving into student apartments and doign college from there so they can use the library. Remote working idk, although I think that will go hybrid and potentially back to normal then after people adjust. Coronavirus effect won't last forever

normanbond

The coronavirus will have a huge impact on schooling and work practices in the near and far future. Remote learning and remote working will substantially increase as lessons are learned from behaviours during this pandemic.
Students heretofore needed to move into university cities to attend college, this will no longer be the case. There will most likely be a big decline in overseas students arriving here. It would probably make sense that a moratorium be placed on granting planning permission to high rise student accommodation for a couple of years. Demand for same is hard to calculate now.
Student accommodation blocks don’t have a provision for many car parking spaces so it’s unlikely they would be suitable for conversion into family accommodation units. In the event of diminishing demand for student accommodation it is hard to see what alternative use could they provide?
Are we going to be looking at more ‘ghost developments’??

Itssoeasy

I know this thread is for cork developments both current and in the future but I was thinking this morning about buildings that have gone up in the city over the years and are merchants quay and the opera house two of the most unimaginative buildings in the city ? I know they put a new front on the opera house and a few windows on merchants quay but when I was younger they were just drab red and grey walls facing you.

[Deleted User]

cantalach wrote: »

I see what you’re getting at but you have to look at the numbers too. If you compare the student population of UCC today with what it was 30 years ago, it has increased by far more than the total size of the CIT student population. I think neither group of residents could have anticipated the dramatic change of circumstances.

Maybe but Universities will always grow. Buying next to such a growth spot will always mean you run a risk.
A random regional tech could always stay a little aul thing. Goin from RTC to IT to TU since 95. That was not something a resident would plan for.

So they'll complain away but there's going to be campus accommodation increases as UCC takes over that sector.

cantalach

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The area is historically desirable because it's situtaed beside the University.

It's nothing the residents did. Colleges are a social need and need accommodation.

The people being put out are those near MTU, given that many will have been living there before the college became an IT and, now, University

I see what you’re getting at but you have to look at the numbers too. If you compare the student population of UCC today with what it was 30 years ago, it has increased by far more than the total size of the CIT student population. I think neither group of residents could have anticipated the dramatic change of circumstances.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The area is historically desirable because it's situtaed beside the University.

It's nothing the residents did. Colleges are a social need and need accommodation.

The people being put out are those near MTU, given that many will have been living there before the college became an IT and, now, University

Yes and no

The area is desirable because of several reasons. Colege proximity being one. Town, hospitals etc. The residents maintain that desirability through investment in their property.

University status isn't a grant to just rail road through what ever they want in the area- its a commercial status thing, not responding to a social need. Colleges aren't a social need, and we've plenty of them.

[Deleted User]

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

At the same time though, why should residents, having invested to make an area desirable, be discommoded and neighbourhoods potentialy ruined, for what is private developers responding to essentially a commercial operation.

The area is historically desirable because it's situtaed beside the University.

It's nothing the residents did. Colleges are a social need and need accommodation.

The people being put out are those near MTU, given that many will have been living there before the college became an IT and, now, University

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You don't get to buy next to a constricted University the size of UCC and expect that your tranquil road will not be impacted.
Anything between UCC and MTU is going to grow into student city, over the coming years.

It's people on Model Farm Road who will be impacted unfairly (given the rapid growth of RTC/CIT/MTU), people right next to UCC should not be surprised

At the same time though, why should residents, having invested to make an area desirable, be discommoded and neighbourhoods potentialy ruined, for what is private developers responding to essentially a commercial operation.

[Deleted User]

You don't get to buy next to a constricted University the size of UCC and expect that your tranquil road will not be impacted.
Anything between UCC and MTU is going to grow into student city, over the coming years.

It's people on Model Farm Road who will be impacted unfairly (given the rapid growth of RTC/CIT/MTU), people right next to UCC should not be surprised