Pkiernan wrote: » Hilarious.https://www.businesspost.ie/ireland/mcdonald-tells-sinn-fein-supporters-to-stop-being-pig-ignorant-online-6b9e25a6 She realises that SF will never be in power until they stop being SeeYouNextTuesdays. Do the shinnbots on here understand that in order for SF to improve, they need support from normal people, who find the IRA references disgusting?
blanch152 wrote: » A government that has a country in the top 10 of every possible metric? Again Occam’s Razor is against you on this one.
RandomViewer wrote: » Teri must be a hard taskmistress , poor Bish and Blanch out to bat first thing
Briggs Limited Weevil wrote: » Mary Lou comparing her supporters to animals - hilarious.
Bishop of hope wrote: » A good article in the Times today dating back to 1990. It seems SF were only the IRA army councils third preference in negotiating peace for them at that time and they referred to them as only the political party closest to their views. Gerry and Martin it seems must have been separated somewhat at that time from the overall wants of the Army council. Begs the question of them being controlled by the army council completely i suppose. Political expediency and some kudos must then go to SF for bringing the council with them, particularly Gerry Adams after reading that.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ira-sought-to-bypass-sinn-f%C3%A9in-in-talks-with-british-new-files-suggests-1.4445383?mode=amp
Brendan Bendar wrote: » I’m sure she had some of our friends in here in mind. Uhmm .... one or two of the constants here seem to be missing... Must have got a ring up from squareface.......:cool:
Bonniedog wrote: » I suspect that the Army Council was playing the priest along. Adams controlled the army and the party. It suited him to give the impression to Haughey that he was somehow having to bring the hawks along. That was supposed to strengthen his hand, In any event the IRA/Adams were in contact directly with the Brits at this time most likely unknown to Dublin. There were people on AC opposed to ceasefire - actually more so to what took place after which involved the IRA surrendering without having achieved its objective - but they were consistently outmanoeuvred and duped by Adams and his allies until it was too late to do anything but leave. You can be fairly certain that none of the documents on the key contacts between Adams and London via intelligence will ever be released.
Bishop of hope wrote: » My post was valid on the other thread too.https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/michelle-oneill-did-not-endorse-public-health-message-despite-experts-advice-39904031.html **** talkers SF as is evidenced here.
blanch152 wrote: » That article shows up the stupidity and pettiness of Sinn Fein, vetoing a UK-wide message designed to save lives. When Mary-Lou is talking about pig ignorant she should start with their public representatives. The lads in here can wait, they provide us with entertainment anyway.
RandomViewer wrote: » The article is quite limited and was lifted from the Indo which is questionable at the best of times, also if SF had a lone veto in this Tommie Gorman would be foaming at the mouth on RTE what we have here is an article in a unionist paper lifted and edited from the Irish version of the National Enquirer telling the readership what they wanted to hear Sunday World hsd story in the nineties about Elvis taking his death and moving to Castlederg, ,this is on the same level
PearseCork92 wrote: » If the IRA still exists, and the intelligence on this is conflicting, then the Army Council are nothing more than aging vets that meet for pints. If blanch can point to open-source intelligence that the PIRA pose any threat to the political process, this thread would be an opportune time to post it. Even if his boogyman pronouncement that members of the IRA 'direct political strategy' is true, who cares? Isn't that the whole point of the peace process? Ballot box and not Armalite? We all know the grandees of various political parties stick around long after their electoral sell-by date to pull strings in all the mainstream parties. I remember a number of years ago being in a well-known political watering-hole and a crusty old household name former cabinet minister was lecturing a current cabinet minister and a junior minister loudly about how to do things. The backroom boys phenomenon doesn't exist just in West Belfast.
blanch152 wrote: » Open-source intelligence? Are you suggesting that the IRA are so incompetent that every Tom, Dick and Harry will be able to prove the existence of their secret organisation? Get up the yard, as McMurphy would say.
PearseCork92 wrote: » Well you said it with such conviction as if you had access to Special Branch memos. I wouldn't like you to run afoul of the State Secrets Act there kiddo.
blanch152 wrote: » The PSNI are on the public record as to the continued existence of the IRA leadership, with the Garda agreeing wit them. Can’t get more open-source than that.
tikkahunter wrote: » She was quite happy for them to flood social media with her not my Taoiseach campaign or photos of her and my Taoiseach all over it , shared and liked by SF politicians and councilors not just supporters .
The comments under all of the post were appalling. Leo took some abuse - Paki , Half breed Bastard and queer being some of the most popular comments. People with this mindset are not going to change and the left parties are rampant with them.
Or the people who claim they are liberal until someone disagrees with them and they become rabbid on social media - so much for being liberal.
SF have a huge scummy following which is now mixed with the tin foil hat brigade and anti everything or anti anybody who has tried to make anything of their lives.
The older hardcore members don't even want to be attached to these but will take the hit if it gets votes .They are the imposter party who have no viable solutions to anything just shout and roar of how unfair everything is .
hatrickpatrick wrote: » How is any of that abusive? That's merely cheerleading for one's desired political outcome. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. Speaking as a leftist those individuals can go f*ck themselves. Unfortunately there are indeed a lot of those people who support anti establishment movements for entirely nefarious reasons, but it's completely inaccurate and unfair to characterise all SF supporters in this way, as indeed it's completely inaccurate and unfair to characterise all FFG supporters as neoliberal leeches. Being opinionated and strongly supporting your chosen political aisle and being liberal are in no way mutually exclusive. You'll have to be more specific if this is to be a valid argument. This is the kind of commentary that pisses me off. Nobody has anything against "anybody who has tried to make anything of their lives". It's those who have done so by exploiting others that we have a problem with. Owning a f*ckload of excess property, hoarding it, and charging exorbitant prices for others to use it does not count as "making something of your life", it counts as being a leech on the economy participating in economic "activity" which should never have been normalised as a means of making a living. If the economic activity through which you make your living does not produce a good or service in exchange for the money you are taking from people, you are exploiting the system. You may not agree with this, but it's a perfectly legitimate political belief to hold. Untrue. Their solution to young peoples' economic woes is to take the same top-down approach that previous Irish governments did for decades. Are you honestly unaware that socialised housing was mainstream for more than 60 years from the beginning of the 1930s? This "the private market dictates everything" model is the aberration, it's an extremely recent bizarre and f*cked up policy which has been causing trouble since its inception. It has existed for thirty years and has only been widely practised since the late 2000s. Before that, housing the population in affordable homes was considered a duty of government. Ensuring a quality of life for citizens was considered a duty of government. The "let them eat cake" approach was adopted by Fianna Fail in the late 2000s and gleefully accelerated by Fine Gael in the 2010s - it is not a longstanding policy. It amazes me that so many people point to our current paradigm as the "normal" and "proper" way for human civilisation to operate, as if it's been unchanging and set in stone for millennia. The Irish government build hundreds of thousands of homes during the 20th century and only ceased doing so in the 21st, when both of the main parties were totally overcome by greed. Sinn Fein are merely proposing to turn the clock back by twenty years, to government policies which were far, far better and which prevailed for the majority of the previous decade. Governments looking out for quality of life and providing public services and infrastructure because it's the right thing to do, and not for profit, is the norm. In terms of the history of this state, that norm versus the recent aberration stands at a 60:30 ratio at the very least, and from my own research it's really more like 80:20. For anyone to look at that 20 and act as if it's the "standard" is absolutely ridiculous.
Bishop of hope wrote: » I see SF are in recruitment mode. Send me your rejects I will fulfill their dreams.https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/mary-lou-mcdonald-says-sinn-23230727
Sinn Féin would welcome disaffected Greens who are leaving the Government party in unprecedented numbers this year into their fold Ms McDonald has all but issued a recruiting call as part of Sinn Féin’s poaching strategy, urging Greens: “to thine own self be true.” And she added that she believes the Greens are currently part of what she described as “the worst government in the history of the State.”
