Rough pubs of Cork

Rows Grower wrote: »

The incident happened inside the premises and the CCTV recordings did not disappear but don't let the facts get in the way of your little rants there lad.

Like I said, I didn't witness it. Did you?

I sure you have as much proof that the tape didn't dissappear as I have that it did.

It's not really relevant to me whether the unfortunate person was beaten to death inside or outside. A person was beaten to death.

Are you defending those who did this?

the beer revolu wrote: »

I'd like to be clear here. The only people I called scumbags are people I witnessed behaving in a scumbag fashion - and I witnessed this several times over the years.
I did not witness what happened outside sidetrax and have not referred to these people as scumbags.

The gentleman that you are quoting doesn't seem to understand this. (in my experience, compression and reasoning, generally, wasn't a big thing amongst security staff of that era)

However, afaik, a lad was beaten to death and the security tape mysteriously disappeared. Make of that what you will.

The incident happened inside the premises and the CCTV recordings did not disappear but don't let the facts get in the way of your little rants there lad.

gifted

the beer revolu wrote: »

A fella lost his life outside sidetracks. It wasn't all fun and games.
I saw bouncers in action plenty of times (while not being involved) and I saw plenty of behaviour that would have warranted prosecution. I also saw them having a good ole laugh afterwards.
There were plenty of scumbags in suits who enjoyed the agro with the drunk scumbags but they were all scumbags in my eyes.

Would I be right in saying that he lost his life inside the doors of sidetrax?......

Straight Talker wrote: »

In fairness like a fella died tragically, due to inappropriate behaviour by security staff.So there is no doubt that pubs and clubs etc, have had people working the doors, that shouldn't be working the doors, if you know what i mean.As the old saying goes, if the cap fits then wear it.;)

I'd like to be clear here. The only people I called scumbags are people I witnessed behaving in a scumbag fashion - and I witnessed this several times over the years.
I did not witness what happened outside sidetrax and have not referred to these people as scumbags.

The gentleman that you are quoting doesn't seem to understand this. (in my experience, compression and reasoning, generally, wasn't a big thing amongst security staff of that era)

However, afaik, a lad was beaten to death and the security tape mysteriously disappeared. Make of that what you will.

Straight Talker

Rows Grower wrote: »

Stand by what you want lad.

Call people scumbags all you want, just don't be surprised when you get called out on it lad.

In fairness like a fella died tragically, due to inappropriate behaviour by security staff.So there is no doubt that pubs and clubs etc, have had people working the doors, that shouldn't be working the doors, if you know what i mean.As the old saying goes, if the cap fits then wear it.;)

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Was that Nancy Spains?

No, Nancy's was across the road.

JP Liz V1

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Maybe I'm wrong (God knows, I often am) but is the Three Ones not Tom Barry's now?

Was that Nancy Spains?

Surreptitious

The Bridewell in Bandon. Been closed a while now. That's what you call a rough pub to. One fella was killed in there (an accident). Serious amount of drugs and fights.

opus

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

For a few years before the current owners took over, The Friary had an interesting cliental and a nickname I'd get permabanned if I typed out; "B & K" if anyone can decipher that.

I've a memory burned into my head of a heavily pregnant woman balancing her pint on her bump outside there whilst lighting a cigarette.

I'd forgotten that place actually. Was as a film in the Gate with a friend one evening & we said we'd head for a drink to the Bierhaus afterwards. Crossing the North Gate bridge she thought there was a fancy dress party on in that pub! Had to enlighten her that no that was really the way the women there dressed

Deleted User wrote: »

Is the Quinryan on Barrack Street still open?

When they filmed Angela's Ashes around Barrack Street that was the only place that they didn't need to touch to make it look old and desolate.

Is the Quinryan on Barrack Street still open?

Cork Trucker

The Fiddlers Green and The Bowlers Rest, both since demolished, one only in recent times.

smurgen

For rough pubs I'd be saying look towards a few in Passage West out of the city or Blackpool in the city. The pubs themselves are not exactly rough but some of the locals there you would not cross. E.g Quinlan's in Blackpool. A certain criminal call the beast used drink there frequently. Again on the face of it these places might not look traditionally rough but you wouldn't want to be act the loudmouth in their.

IAMAMORON

Dav010 wrote: »

Who hasn’t?

Her name was Alison.

Are you sure that's not your sister?

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I rode a bird in the Jacks in the Wash one night, how phucking rough is that?

Who hasn’t?

IAMAMORON

I rode a bird in the Jacks in the Wash one night, how phucking rough is that?

Whatever pub the two above drink in.

the beer revolu wrote: »

I will, thanks, lady.

That's a good lad.

Rows Grower wrote: »

Stand by what you want lad.

Call people scumbags all you want, just don't be surprised when you get called out on it lad.

I will, thanks, lady.

the beer revolu wrote: »

Firstly, don't refer to me as, lad, please.

You said "everyone knew everyone else and when the few clatters were thrown and the trouble makers were sober there was no problems".
This gave the impression, to me, that violence wasn't serious to you.

Now, I stand by what you quoted me as saying and I stand by my claim that I am not tarring everyone with the same brush.
I am calling security staff that enjoy agro scumbags. All of the security staff that enjoy agro. (all of them were scumbags - both the drunk scumbags and the suited ones)
I did not call all security staff scunbags - just the scumbag ones - and I saw plenty of them in action.

Understand, now, little boy?
(do you like that form of address?)

Stand by what you want lad.

Call people scumbags all you want, just don't be surprised when you get called out on it lad.

Rows Grower wrote: »

No lad, I didn't actually. I never mentioned banter or craic.

And yes, you did tar everyone with the same brush.

You said and I quote "There were plenty of scumbags in suits who enjoyed the agro with the drunk scumbags but they were all scumbags in my eyes".

Firstly, don't refer to me as, lad, please.

You said "everyone knew everyone else and when the few clatters were thrown and the trouble makers were sober there was no problems".
This gave the impression, to me, that violence wasn't serious to you.

Now, I stand by what you quoted me as saying and I stand by my claim that I am not tarring everyone with the same brush.
I am calling security staff that enjoy agro scumbags. All of the security staff that enjoy agro.
When I said all of them were scumbags, it was obvious from the context that all referred to the drunk patrons and the overzealous security who enjoyed fighting.
I did not call all security staff scunbags - just the scumbag ones - and I saw plenty of them in action.

Understand, now, little boy?
(do you like that form of address?)

the beer revolu wrote: »

Actually, you did suggest that it was all a bit of banter and craic and not really serious - that's what prompted me to post. For me violence is always serious.
I didn't tar anyone with any brush. I mentioned my observations of violent behavior and called out the perpetrators as scumbags.

If I see 4 or 5 lads dragging a person down an alleyway for a hiding while another 2 block the alley, I have no hesitation in calling them scumbags. And yes, the suited scumbags had a great ole laugh about it afterwards.
That's just one incident that I witnessed over the years.
I have no doubt that there were some decent security staff around back then but I saw a lot of bad behaviour - criminal behaviour.

No lad, I didn't actually. I never mentioned banter or craic.

And yes, you did tar everyone with the same brush.

You said and I quote "There were plenty of scumbags in suits who enjoyed the agro with the drunk scumbags but they were all scumbags in my eyes".

Rows Grower wrote: »

I never said it was all fun and games and you can judge all you want and tar everyone with the same brush if you want.

Actually, you did suggest that it was all a bit of banter and craic and not really serious - that's what prompted me to post. For me violence is always serious.
I didn't tar anyone with any brush. I mentioned my observations of violent behavior and called out the perpetrators as scumbags.

If I see 4 or 5 lads dragging a person down an alleyway for a hiding while another 2 block the alley, I have no hesitation in calling them scumbags. And yes, the suited scumbags had a great ole laugh about it afterwards.
That's just one incident that I witnessed over the years.
I have no doubt that there were some decent security staff around back then but I saw a lot of bad behaviour - criminal behaviour.

Deleted User wrote: »

Mangans was rough alright, Chandras was grand imo, De Lacey house was usually fine, I saw a few fights outside the Cruicin but nothing major. I can't think of anywhere that was very rough tbh.

Mangans was far from rough.... Full of kids, over 19s stopped going there last few years it was open.

Place up the street from it, The Pav had it's rough period back in the early to mid 00s alright but still wasn't too bad.

There was a bit of everything in sidetrax but there was rarely any trouble in there.

Mangans was rough alright, Chandras was grand imo, De Lacey house was usually fine, I saw a few fights outside the Cruicin but nothing major. I can't think of anywhere that was very rough tbh.

Cork Trucker

O’Keeffe’s on Leitrim Street was ok I think bar being a Chelsea supporters pub.

tobeme2020

Rows Grower wrote: »

It was a Celtic supporters club venue in Passage West, often went to a few Celtic Rangers matches with a few of the lads from there.

Was? Is it closed down