The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Kerry are well looked after. Just look at who sponsors them and the amount of money they have got. They may not get what Dublin got but to say they got little assistance is false.
StupidLikeAFox wrote: » Kerry don't match to what Dublin get in sponsorship and they get a tiny fraction of what Dublin get in development funding (in either absolute or per capita terms), so not sure what point your trying to make
StupidLikeAFox wrote: » Ballyboden employ a manager, a full time performance director and a gdo (maybe two) which is subsidised by the gaa. Kilmacud have two full time coaches also, one of these is probably subsidised by the gaa
tritium wrote: » Kerry have matched and exceeded dublins sponsorship for many years. It’s only in recent years as dublin became successful and kerry waned that the balance shifted. They have a sponsor who doesn’t blink at writing them a million quid cheque for their COE
ArielAtom wrote: » Ballyboden employ a part-time general manager who looks after the general running of the club. There is a Director of Coaching and a GDO. There is no performance director. The director of coaching is by default a club employed GDO with a different title. The GDO is part funded by the GAA.
Enquiring wrote: » Since when have Ballyboden st enda's had a director of coaching?
You want to play in the hardest places against the toughest opposition and (Thomand Park) that's definitely up there as one of the hardest places to go.”
Enquiring wrote: » How much did Dublin buy Spawell and Hollystown golf club for? Dublin received 1.5 million in sponsorship in 2016. They get 1 million a year from AIG alone. How many other counties come close to spending almost 6 million per year on salaries, team and administrative expenses?
Enquiring wrote: » The answer won't be forthcoming so I'll let you all know. It was 2001. Strangely, Ballyboden st Enda's saw a major upturn in fortunes in the years after this appointment. It's almost as if improving coaching structures leads to improved standards. The money started flowing into Dublin GAA at around the same time. Again, improved coaching structures through large investments led to increased success. If only people knew that pumping large sums into talent development would lead to better results. There could be a multi million dollar industry born.
tritium wrote: » How much would that land cost you in Ballina? How much could you rent it for?
the kelt wrote: » I’m not quite sure how kerry making good use and getting good sponsorship justifies the amount the GAA themselves spend on Dublin. But it’s good to know that the obsession of Kerry and Dublin being essentially what the GAA is all about is alive and well. 32 other county teams say hello.
Enquiring wrote: » Dublin GAA paid 9 million for Spawell and the cost for Hollystown golf club was over 10 million? That's extraordinary buying power especially when you look at what Dublin's expenses reach every year. I assume you can't find a county that comes close to the 6 million spent on salaries and expenses every year?
tritium wrote: » Yes now you get it! Structures improve standards. Slowly and progressively over time! It doesn’t win you ladies Ai or under 21 AIs in the years before it’s invested and embedded. It doesn’t make your team better overnight. It needs planning and work and the careful use of resources. That’s what the extra 30% in funding for the Meaths needs to develop. That’s what the 230 games development staff (plus at least 35 more added for Leinster since that figure) available to everyone except dublin need to be focused on as part of a planned approach Leinster isn’t going to be competitive overnight because frankly, and no fault of dublins, standards in Leinster are abysmal at the moment. It’s a laughing stock the way dublin once was and couldn’t dream of an AI in the next few years. And reading posters on here who won’t consider any solution to build those structures it’s obvious why, even when Leinster counties have population and infrastructure advantages over many counties, advantages that we keep hearing make dublin so unfair. The only way to address that is build structures over a long timeframe, exactly what dublin did over years
Enquiring wrote: » Finally, a Dublin poster admits it. Structures help standards, receiving huge sums of money for professional coaches and most importantly, having paid officials overseeing it will, of course, lead to better results. We have seen it across the board with Dublin GAA and there are examples from numerous other sports. That Dublin were given the finance to put these structures in place while others were denied is the scandal. The money being pumped into Dublin began in the early 2000's. Dublin had never won an All Ireland u21 title or Women's All Ireland prior to then. Interestingly, they've won 5 of each since then. A clear illustration of the difference professional structures can make.
tritium wrote: » Again what would it cost elsewhere?
tritium wrote: » Can you just clarify. Is your issue with: The dublin county teams The clubs in dublin Games development for the population in dublin Three very different things, with very different requirements and costs associated, some of which other counties receive at a provincial level I believe. For some reason your postings mix them all together as though they’re one and the same They’re not
tritium wrote: » Unless they had a time machine to fully embed this in 2003 youre talking absolute pony there Look, it’s pretty simple really. Structure help in any sport- nothing new there. Kerry and Kilkenny proved that in men’s football and hurling , another days debate as to how they got there. Dublin looked to build those structures and sought funding to do so. It was granted, everyone knew about it A lot of people laughed at dublin for a bit while they set this up, basically standing still or even going backwards themselves Surprise surprise the thing that should work did work Cue lots of folks complaining it’s unfair but still not getting their own house in order GAA make more funds and resources available to other counties because that’s what they’re lacking apparently Still no one wants to do the thing that works.....
tritium wrote: » It’s good to know you’ve no issue with the sponsorship teams get, including I assume dublin No issue with provincial councils making the AI journey a bit handier either? Is that fair on other provinces or counties?
Enquiring wrote: » You don't think a large sum of money can help improve a team? It certainly helped the 2003 u21 footballers and most definitely helped the 2010 women's footballers win their first All Ireland. Why did Dublin have their structures financed by all of us while anyone else who asked for funding had the door slammed in their face? It was a Dublin only scheme that cost millions. They were competing in competitions against teams living off scraps, how could it not work? A county with by far the largest population were given by far the largest amount of resources. They then went on to win nearly 100 titles across the board in 2 decades. The only surprise is that it was only 100 titles. It can't be justified and that's why even those who didn't agree with the split are coming round to the idea that it's the only solution.
tritium wrote: » I suppose it got the ladies to the final in 2003, 2004 and 2009 too. Funny how in spite of helping the u21s so much in 2003 it took so long to benefit the ladies. Was it the reason they didn’t win it again from 2010 until 2017 too? Not very effective it would seem if that’s the case Given the history of the funding, what was the funding imbalance in 2003 when the mens senior team were busy losing to Laois?
ooter wrote: » Dublin senior hurlers are no closer to winning an all Ireland and the funding hasn't stopped other counties in the country from winning Liam.
ShyMets wrote: » Folks. It Christmas Eve. How about a 48 hour truce and we go back arguing about this after Stephens Day
Enquiring wrote: » I'm finished work soon so I won't be posting anyway. This issue won't be going away though. The campaign for fairness will continue. Happy Christmas.
Enquiring wrote: » And obviously, the money was pumped into underage structures, the reason for this was the Dublin County board weren't taking kindly to being bested by other counties on a level playing field at senior level. It was before loses to Laois and Westmeth, back when Kildare and Meath were beating them in the 90's. The course of history was changed by Bailey going begging to Bertie.
The Golden Miller wrote: » Exactly. Dublin fans don't want to hear about it, but their success is tainted, or the achievement lessened, in my book anyway. This Dublin team is often compared to the great Kerry team of the late 70's/80's, in terms of success, that they are just an incredibly talented bunch. I don't think it's a fair comparison. That Kerry team were pound for pound the most successful team, when all else was equal. That's what made Kerry's achievement remarkable. Infact, what we seen last year, was that Kerry were a match for Dublin, and had they held their nerve should of won the all-Ireland final. What's incredible is that Kerry are competing on Dublins level effectively on raw talent alone. Talent verses the well oiled streamlined Dublin project. Had the Kerry players been fast tracked onto professional strength and conditioning programmes since they went senior, they would probably be quite a distance ahead of Dublin. This is what's ruining the game. The playing field is no longer even
