seligehgit wrote: » Sorry I missed this post. I am sure the whole dominance of Dublin GAA subject matter is more than a minor irritation to Dublin people and is construed as a means of denigrating the achievements of their players. It is hard to block out same. The top dogs are always there to be criticised for all manner of reasons,especially one at top for so long.The 31 v 1 dynamic only adds to the fun.:) Kerry invariably equals handy All Irelands Meath 88 89 a team played right on the edge Northern teams of the noughties puke football. Tyrone are regularly lambasted for all manner of reasons. Donegal defensive football. All Irelands are hard won as we know too well. As I've said many a time Mayo supporters would not care two fiddlers re what outsiders think if an All Ireland was won.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I think Hickey's gripe is mentions of money, population, splitting dublin, calling the players machines etc etc. Sounds like he is just completely fed up of it and feels it is deliberately used to denigrate the players. Little mention of skill hard work, acumen and so on. So he thought feck it I will shoot from the hip, and say what I really think.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Very good point. People don't like a successful team in any sport and they become the pantomime villain. There to be taken down.I was thinking maybe part of former Dublin players annoyance also stems from the fact, that Dublin were seen as the laughing stock in the GAA between 1995 - 2010 ish. When within that period the very things that are used to beat Dublin with now were used to slag them off for underachieving. Population, facilities, money etc and they STILL can't win Sam. No 'footballers' etc.The Dubs were seen as the team who brought colour to a game with their supporters, hype and swagger. Most of the time the hype was not justified at all. The swagger was misplaced and the supporters were fairweather. And the rest of the country would be laughing away to themselves - ah the Dubs!
gormdubhgorm wrote: » See it wound you up because Hickey gave his honest belief he was honest. He laid out his reasons clearly in the article. Was he proved wrong? He would have looked like plank if Dublin lost. You are proof of those very people who Hickey was aiming the article at. The vehement anti-Dub. Plus it worked a treat in that sense. It got you talking didn't it?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I agree it was mean spirited. The people who do not give Dublin the due respect are targeted in Hickey's article. Those in those cyclical Dublin threads on boards.ie and other mediums. That is who I believe the article was aimed at to draw them out.
Dublin beat Mayo by 10 points in the semi-final last year when it was supposed to be a close match. I don’t have much time for this Mayo team myself. It will be a hard match for a fair bit of it, though. “Every game for Dublin is because they burst their bollocks for 70 minutes. You never see those fellas taking it easy. They’re a model for how a team should be. “But I don’t rate Mayo and I don’t think Mayo will be close at the end of the game. They could be putting this article up in the dressing room in Croke Park on Saturday!”
Mayo win all the All-Stars awards and the player of the year and all this sort of crap but they always do because they’re such a tragic outfit. Andy Moran getting player of the year — he played half a game in every match. The Mayo goalkeeper (David Clarke) getting the All-Star ahead of Cluxton there one year.
jmayo wrote: » Ah bullcrap. He just took cheap shots at people. So hickey got at people who don't fawn over this Dublin team by lambasting and insulting Mayo players. Some fooking great man, eh. It is scummy thing to do.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Arguably so if you it as just a cheap shot. I think there was a lot of truth in it. I don't believe Hickey is asking for fawning. I believe many believe people are out to denigrate Dublin so he went with all guns firing. No couching of language. Some Mayo players are let down by other players, such as Aidan O"Shea the last day. Fellas who are supposed to step up. Personally I would class Andy Moran as a fella who stepped up when he had his day. He was consistent for a long time at least. Plus when it got tough he worked harder trying to lift his team. I would be more annoyed about Aidan O'Shea, than I would be about David Hickey if I was from Mayo. To be honest. As for the all-stars I never have much time for them. They are very political in nature and don't really represent the best players in each position. Cluxton was left out of the All Stars plenty of years for example 2013-2019 Yet in 2017 David Clarke got what only can be amounting to a tokenist or sympathy all-star And Rory Beggan got the All -Star in 2018https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/1031/1007851-dublin-dominate-team/ I wouldn't be surprised if they throw the keeper one to Raymond Galligan this year, just to be nice. Personally I think the All Stars are insulting in a way. As many a time a player gets one and he knows well he is not the best player. It is more of a 'fair play to ya' giving encouragement. Sort of like how a teacher gives a gold star to a pupil when they improve from 5/10 to 7/10. Or came last in a sports day and felt sorry for them.
Blackjack wrote: » I never understand Dubs constant whinging about all their lads not getting all stars - it’s an odd one in fairness, of all the things for them to keep crying about. I suppose because the GAA themselves don’t select it, they can’t be given the favoured treatment they are used to. Cluxton didn’t get all stars because he was scratching his hole for most games and had few saves to make. Beggan and Clarke were a lot busier and got theirs as a result. Moran got his POTY as did Keegan because they were the best players those years. Player of the year is selected by players, not by journalists, so they have a fair idea better than most who deserves it.
Blackjack wrote: » Player of the year is selected by players, not by journalists, so they have a fair idea better than most who deserves it.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Do you not think the all stars are farcical? They are always political. You know well when all-stars are given as sympathy votes. It depends on the climate at the time. The all-stars are never about the best players. If you believe that you are very naive. They factor in whether a player got one before, sympathy, move players positions to fit others in. Some players play more games and so on. Most of the judging is recency bias based. Only counts the final mostly etc. I think the all stars should be based on the league at all the different levels - a div 1 team and a div 4 team etc. How you can base it on a lopsided championship with lopsided provinces in baffling to me. Plus when Andy Moran did get player of the year how many games did he play to get it? I am not saying he was not a good player but do you think the award is really based on the best player? Or who it better to pick to be nice and say well done? Personally as far as the All-Stars I never rate them. It is a silly sideshow and a nice meal for players and partners. It is never a real award of the 'best' more of a gesture of thanks.
Blackjack wrote: » Not really that bothered about the awards myself but I think it’s funny how Dubs always find a reason to whinge about it when it’s not 15 Dubs picking up all the awards. As for Player of the year, that’s voted by players, so I’m going to respect their views as to who they view as the best player in a year, more than some random we like yourself on the internet who’s Butthurt because it wasn’t another handout from the GAA for his team.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Arguably so if you it as just a cheap shot. I think there was a lot of truth in it. I don't believe Hickey is asking for fawning. I believe many believe people are out to denigrate Dublin so he went with all guns firing. No couching of language. Some Mayo players are let down by other players, such as Aidan O"Shea the last day. Fellas who are supposed to step up. Personally I would class Andy Moran as a fella who stepped up when he had his day. He was consistent for a long time at least. Plus when it got tough he worked harder trying to lift his team. I would be more annoyed about Aidan O'Shea, than I would be about David Hickey if I was from Mayo. To be honest. As for the all-stars I never have much time for them. They are very political in nature and don't really represent the best players in each position. Cluxton was left out of the All Stars plenty of years for example 2013-2019 Yet in 2016 in particular David Clarke got what only can be amounting to a tokenist or sympathy all-star. And Rory Beggan got the All -Star in 2018https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/1031/1007851-dublin-dominate-team/ I wouldn't be surprised if they throw the keeper one to Raymond Galligan this year, just to be nice. Personally I think the All Stars are insulting in a way. As many a time a player gets one and he knows well he is not the best player. It is more of a 'fair play to ya' giving encouragement. Sort of like how a teacher gives a gold star to a pupil when they improve from 5/10 to 7/10. Or came last in a sports day and felt sorry for them.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I don't use American expressions like butthurt. But after looking it up I am not. Because I have already said I don't rate the all-stars. It is not the best player but a political or polarity contest. Simple as that. That is what it will always be. My main point is that David Hickey has a point about the all-stars. They can be used as sympathy votes. Which is yet another reason not to take them seriously. As I said a div 1 'all star' team div 2 etc based on league seems much fairer. Plus at least gives other players from other counties a day out and a feed. Dublin played two div 1 teams this year in the championship, one of them them relegated. Yet they are going to get what? 7-8 all stars? Seems like a very soft system.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Well if that is the case why is it constantly a sore point for a lot of Dubs including the likes of Hickey who is so annoyed over it that he brings it up in an interview? No one really cares about them. Sure they provoke some mild consternation each year but by and large they are a fair representation of what has been iewed that year. The one thing I totally disagree with is the selection of people in positions they didnpY in that year at all. For instance in the Sunday Game team of the year they had Paddy Durcan as a corner back. That nonsense I disagree with.
Blackjack wrote: » It bothers you a lot more than you care to admit, but it suits your current agenda to pretend it doesn’t.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It doesn't bother me, however when I say it does not it does not suit your agenda. They offer no real value to supporters. Other than those from a county that gets no limelight. xyz got an all star in xyz year. That is about the height of it. I wouldn't have a clue who was in the All Star team last year. Cluxton is the only one I know, because I looked up the keeper position. To see was there are legitimate point Hickey had about Clarke the all stars. I remembered the Clarke all star myself, because I thought it was gas he got one the year he let in two OG's? It was one of the funnier ones, stood out.
Blackjack wrote: » Your agenda here is quite clear. I’ve no interest in engaging further with you, I’m sure you’ll get a giggle out of your own behaviour.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » What agenda? I don't play blackjack or poker. I only came on the thread to ask what a "values and behaviours" coach was. Because Ger Cafferkey is one for Mayo. In fact I asked it twice before resorting to an internet search - edited second post. Do you know what a "values and behaviours" coach is and Mayo had one? Between that I got sidetracked into explaining the David Hickey's post from a Dublin perspective. Which was the first post I read when I clicked on the thread. Then I got sidetracked from there into explaining my thoughts on the all-stars. I think you will find they are very consistent. It is all here on this thread. No agenda, all laid bare, and extremely open, forthright and honest. In fact you should be praising me for my honesty rather than claiming I have an 'agenda'. Not everyone is out to get someone else you know!
homewardbound11 wrote: » Since the match I have looked over social media comments from supporters . It is a absolutely mind boggling how poor the average Dublin supporter who comments on media articles . The manner in which they drive digs at opposition is of a vulgar low level intelligence . I remember being at a league game when Armagh were coming off their peak ( mid 00s) . I brought a UK friend to see a Gaa game . The level of insults of abuse from men in their retirement age was offensive . We never even said a word but thankfully we moved to another part of the stadium . I roll on to the semifinal in 2019 and were with my young family in the family section . The family in front of us spear headed by their father just riled abuse at mayo and directed it at us . Again we moved out of disgust . My kids nA we want to return to Croke park after that Dublin family’s abusive remarks . We are no frail family but do know when to keep our mouths shut . Kerry annihilated mayo in04 and 06. None of their supporters hurled abuse at mayo . I’m sure they were glad of the easy win but again the breed of winner was different in Kerry . At least publically . What they write on their own Kerry pro boards is upto them selves but generally not directed outward . So why is it that the large minority of positing Dublin supporter has to remark with adolescent replies solely at the aim of disrespect and herd calling .
homewardbound11 wrote: » Since the match I have looked over social media comments from supporters . It is a absolutely mind boggling how poor the average Dublin supporter who comments on media articles . The manner in which they drive digs at opposition is of a vulgar low level intelligence .
I remember being at a league game when Armagh were coming off their peak ( mid 00s) . I brought a UK friend to see a Gaa game . The level of insults of abuse from men in their retirement age was offensive . We never even said a word but thankfully we moved to another part of the stadium . I roll on to the semifinal in 2019 and were with my young family in the family section . The family in front of us spear headed by their father just riled abuse at mayo and directed it at us . Again we moved out of disgust . My kids nA we want to return to Croke park after that Dublin family’s abusive remarks . We are no frail family but do know when to keep our mouths shut .[
Kerry annihilated mayo in04 and 06. None of their supporters hurled abuse at mayo . I’m sure they were glad of the easy win but again the breed of winner was different in Kerry . At least publically . What they write on their own Kerry pro boards is upto them selves but generally not directed outward . So why is it that the large minority of positing Dublin supporter has to remark with adolescent replies solely at the aim of disrespect and herd calling .
Heraldoffreeent wrote: » Lighten up lads, its Christmas. Ye didn't win another all Ireland? Sure isn't it like that every year?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » In fact you should be praising me for my honesty rather than claiming I have an 'agenda'. !
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Do you know what a "values and behaviours" coach is and Mayo had one?
westsidestory wrote: » Would a "values and behaviours" coach help the Dubs in their constant demand for total praise and attention 🤔?.
SomethingElse wrote: » I'd completely agree with that too, from my many trips to Croke Park I've always found Kerry fans to conduct themselves with genuine class. Dublin fans on the other hand have been a completely different experience. A lot of this can be attributed to socio-economic issues in our capital - a section of the Dublin support would be from deprived areas where education standards are poor and this is reflected in their general demeanour and conduct.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Interesting you seem to put the average Dublin supporter in one particular group. Is this just championship supporter, the league supporter, the regular club goer or all three? There are abusive idiotic fans everywhere. Not just Dublin fans. Normally the crowd are good about policing these types of fans. On one occasion I did it myself a Dublin fan was f'ing and blinding Eoghan O'Gara out of it. He is sh!te he is this he is that. What annoyed me was he was actually playing well. So I asked how is that supposed to encourage him. He has x number of all irelands, and that last pass although it did not work you can see the idea and so on. The 'fan' shut up fairly quick. Interesting it is now a large minority of Dublin supporter! As I have already said there are idiotic supporters on both sides. Plus the beauty of boards.ie it has a report function and the mods deal with it. I remember this Mayo fan who was 'large and in the minority' invading the pitch at a Mayo v Kerry game.https://www.the42.ie/video-ugly-scenes-fan-invades-pitch-mayo-kerry-1646727-Aug2014/ His poor young daughter having to run after him in embarrassment. Plus subsequently the fan became a minor celebrity on social media. With other Mayo fans taking their picture with him. I believe the hashtags were #madted #gaa. Of course it not the first time a fan has caused embarrassment to ordinary decent Mayo fans. Tim O'Leary is another one 'hurling abuse' from social media.https://www.the42.ie/mayo-tim-oleary-5020467-Feb2020/ But I would not judge all Mayo fans on the back of those two. The majority are fun loving GAA fans who enjoy following their county. Hopefully, Mayo get to the final next year and if Dublin do not win it, I hope it is Mayo. Maigh Eo Abu! And Happy Christmas.
