FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

Bowie wrote: »

In their hurry to grab power they have damaged themselves by partnering up.

Yet their combined polling in all recent polls is higher than what it was when before they partnered up, so the facts on the ground don't support the word coming from the echo chamber.

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

There is only one poll that matters.

On Jan 1 2020 FFG had 92 seats.
On Dec 22 2020 FFG have 73 seats.

Civil War politics has also ended and about time too.

Hopefully. In the least I can see them cancelling each other out to some extent. In their hurry to grab power they have damaged themselves by partnering up.
Hangers on like the Greens will not do well next election.

Cluedo Monopoly

There is only one poll that matters.

On Jan 1 2020 FFG had 92 seats.
On Dec 22 2020 FFG have 73 seats.

Civil War politics has also ended and about time too.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Maybe not, but its certainly dismissing around 22% of the electorate.

No It's not. I'm giving my opinion on the Fianna Fail party.

Bowie wrote: »

I think you are confusing opinion with expectation.
I'm not 'calling for' anything.

Maybe not, but its certainly dismissing around 22% of the electorate.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Surely you can see why calling for the disbanding of a party that has the support of about a fifth of the country is a bit of an odd call to me. Clearly there is a large chunk of the country that do trust FF to represent them and that should be respected.

I think you are confusing opinion with expectation.
I'm not 'calling for' anything.
I think they are crony gougers and should dissolve. I do not expect that to happen.

TheTruth123 wrote: »

The latest opinion polls show FF at 11%.

The old days are over, no more jobs for the lads, do what we want, the people have choices

The more TDs run their mouth at SF, SF are gaining support. It was clear by ffg and the media pre election, they didnt want SF doing well. Poor Leo still hasnt got over it

The most recent poll has them at 22%, but that wasn't the point of my post in any case.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1219/1185510-sunday-times-poll/

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Surely you can see why calling for the disbanding of a party that has the support of about a fifth of the country is a bit of an odd call to me. Clearly there is a large chunk of the country that do trust FF to represent them and that should be respected.

The latest opinion polls show FF at 11%.

The old days are over, no more jobs for the lads, do what we want, the people have choices

The more TDs run their mouth at SF, SF are gaining support. It was clear by ffg and the media pre election, they didnt want SF doing well. Poor Leo still hasnt got over it

Bowie wrote: »

Oh, you judge a party's worth based on polling? I couldn't care less in that regard. FF gave up the right to call themselves public representative years ago. They can't be trusted IMO. FG are giving them a run for their our money on that.

Surely you can see why calling for the disbanding of a party that has the support of about a fifth of the country is a bit of an odd call to me. Clearly there is a large chunk of the country that do trust FF to represent them and that should be respected.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I'm a bit curious as to why FF (polling 22%) should disband, whereas there's great hope for S/PBP (2%) and SDs (1%), but that's not a conversation for here anyway

Oh, you judge a party's worth based on polling? I couldn't care less in that regard. FF gave up the right to call themselves public representative years ago. They can't be trusted IMO. FG are giving them a run for their our money on that.

Brendan Bendar

Bowie wrote: »

Reading between the lines, looks like I'm still hopeful for FG. FF are the zombie civil war party of greasy hair and crony handshakes. Mind, the gap between them is ever decreasing.

“party of greasy hair”. !!!

Jaysus...... give Cullinane a bell, Jim......seems made for him so :eek:

Bowie wrote: »

Reading between the lines, looks like I'm still hopeful for FG. FF are the zombie civil war party of greasy hair and crony handshakes. Mind, the gap between them is ever decreasing.

I'm a bit curious as to why FF (polling 22%) should disband, whereas there's great hope for S/PBP (2%) and SDs (1%), but that's not a conversation for here anyway

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I'm sure FF will take your opinion on board.

Reading between the lines, looks like I'm still hopeful for FG. FF are the zombie civil war party of greasy hair and crony handshakes. Mind, the gap between them is ever decreasing.

Bowie wrote: »

While polls are a good talking point I don't put too much weight into them. Even the one the other day citing SF as most popular.
I think the SD's and PBP might make more ground thanks to the Greens and SF will take some from FF/FG. Same if not more as they can be now seen as a viable option. You'd previously hear people speak on not bothering because they'd no hope etc.
Best thing FG can do is ditch Varadkar, Harris etc. to be taken more seriously and FF can disband IMO.

I'm sure FF will take your opinion on board.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Really? Polling seems to show them as having more support than they did at the start of the year. Varadkar's approval rating significantly higher also since early 2020.

Polling doesn't seem to be matching the social media rhetoric.

While polls are a good talking point I don't put too much weight into them. Even the one the other day citing SF as most popular.
I think the SD's and PBP might make more ground thanks to the Greens and SF will take some from FF/FG. Same if not more as they can be now seen as a viable option. You'd previously hear people speak on not bothering because they'd no hope etc.
Best thing FG can do is ditch Varadkar, Harris etc. to be taken more seriously and FF can disband IMO.

TheTruth123 wrote: »

Leo needs to remove himself from social media.

I see he has remover his Photo Op in the hospice during a pandemic yesterday, a clown.

Your username is inaccurate.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1341036932143460354?s=19

Bowie wrote: »

His and FG's behaviour on social media seem to be helping folk decide.

Really? Polling seems to show them as having more support than they did at the start of the year. Varadkar's approval rating significantly higher also since early 2020.

Polling doesn't seem to be matching the social media rhetoric.

Bowie wrote: »

His and FG's behaviour on social media seem to be helping folk decide.

Leo needs to remove himself from social media.

I see he has remover his Photo Op in the hospice during a pandemic yesterday, a clown.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Never said it was a meme. I said social media rhetoric doesn't decide who runs the country, the people do.

His and FG's behaviour on social media seem to be helping folk decide.

Bowie wrote: »

Varadkar leaking a confidential document and FF/Greens shrugging it off wasn't a meme.

Never said it was a meme. I said social media rhetoric doesn't decide who runs the country, the people do.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

The people decide who runs the country, not social media rhetoric.

Varadkar leaking a confidential document and FF/Greens shrugging it off wasn't a meme.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He leaks condfidential documents to his mates,he shouldnt be let anywhere near running of the country,

The people decide who runs the country, not social media rhetoric.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Let it go, Blaa. It’s all in the past. Get over it.

Happy and safe Christmas to all.

In the past? Will remember that when the IRA are brought up about SF

Tpcl20

Bowie wrote: »

Again, no.
If Donnelly and Martin aren't available he'd be the next approriate choice.
I have no personal dislike of him. I don't know him. Politically and as a public servant I think he's a selfish clown who lacks maturity.
The man put in quotes from 'Mean Girls' to a covid speech on the pandemic and it's affects, for a bet ffs.
If not telling lies he's getting in digs or quoting films. In short he's not fit for the job.

He said the night is darkest just before the dawn at the start of that presser. Tired and overused and not even really relevant. Also I don't believe it, because Paschal said "If we winter this one out, we can summer anywhere" back in October and it really doesn't look like they're going to have things sorted by the summer, given the woefully small quantities of vaccine coming. Not to mention the chance that this new strain will be unaffected by the vaccine (as per recent FT article).

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

He leaks condfidential documents to his mates,he shouldnt be let anywhere near running of the country,

Let it go, Blaa. It’s all in the past. Get over it.

Happy and safe Christmas to all.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He leaks condfidential documents to his mates,he shouldnt be let anywhere near running of the country,

What I cant wait for is when FFG are not in Govt, what will come out. That has FF and FG ****ting it

[Deleted User]

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

So basically your opinion that he shouldn't be involved today comes down to your personal opinion of him, rather than any line of command or remit of his role in the Government. Got it. Just as long as we are all on the same page here.

He leaks condfidential documents to his mates,he shouldnt be let anywhere near running of the country,

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

As I said, based on your own dislike of him rather than anything logically based on the actual remit of the role of Tanaiste in this Government.

Again, no.
If Donnelly and Martin aren't available he'd be the next approriate choice.
I have no personal dislike of him. I don't know him. Politically and as a public servant I think he's a selfish clown who lacks maturity.
The man put in quotes from 'Mean Girls' to a covid speech on the pandemic and it's affects, for a bet ffs.
If not telling lies he's getting in digs or quoting films. In short he's not fit for the job.

Tpcl20

I have to say I was pmsl when Leo tried to speak Irish. "Beimíd ag tabhairt... advisories... do na gnóthe...". Good attempt, maybe go and revise a little bit of the aul Gaeilge to not make a hames of it next time. From the laughs I'd say it cheered everyone at the presser up a bit.