tobefrank321 wrote: » And why not the Dublin model to other large population underperforming counties like Kildare in football or Galway in the hurling? Blows a massive hole in the sport needs to be rigged to favour big population counties which is what you are advocating. Its a rigged sport, and once that started to happen in favour of Dublin it was well on the way to being a dead sport. In fairness to most Dubs they do not hide the fact Dublin needed a leg up from the GAA to be competitive. The only other sport I know where the administrators rigged or turned a blind eye to an unfair advantage is cycling!
ooter wrote: » And they still won't win a senior hurling all Ireland.
ShyMets wrote: » You're just on a wind up now
tobefrank321 wrote: » Maybe not in 15 years but by 2050 its certain they will dominate hurling. Its only a matter of time.
tritium wrote: » You’re really beyond a joke with this nonsense at this point Ladies football was dominated (really dominated) by cork before dublin. It was no more competitive in terms of variety of winner. Since you want to use since the 90s as a benchmark, 5 Leinster counties have won the provincial title in that time. Munster by contrast has had 3 winners thanks to Tipp in this oddest of years (but it’s grand cause share its a hurling province right?). Connachts had 4 and, hailed as ultra competitive ulster has had 5 At AI level excluding dublin we’ve had 6 Kerry wins in that 21 years, 3 Tyrone and one each for Galway Antrim cork and Donegal. Not exactly an open spread when most teams are scrabbling for the odd scrap (but sure tell us how much you care about poor wee ulster) As for funding every county fairly. Define that would be for you? What is you model for fair? Same for all? Per capita (which would increase Dublin funding)? **** or get off the pot mate, tell us how you’d share it out? On the sponsorship pooling, why exactly would any county negotiate a best possible sponsorship deal and have their players show up to promotional events just to give the money away? I mean I thought it was surreal when the Kildare GAA exec asked for their cut of dublins sponsorship, but it looks like some people actually believe this ****. Why exactly can’t counties maximise their own sponsorship deals first? Cause most of them haven’t done so. What about “fundraising” (including expensive corporate dinners and”gifts). Would they be pooled too?
The Lost Sheep wrote: » Saying rigged is a terrible take on things. nothing malicious has happened. I havent advocated anything. Its very simple premise that the sides/teams with biggest population will nearly always be the teams that win. They have biggest numbers going into their development systems and all that follows that. They will/should have biggest support so finances will be bigger Comparing GAA/Gaelic football to cycling is horrendous.
tobefrank321 wrote: » But you agree Dublin were handed an unfair advantage circa 2002?
Enquiring wrote: » You are just rambling now. I was talking about the influence of the millions of euros pumped into Dublin GAA. Gaelic football, both men's and women's has been affected greatly, probably above all others. 22 counties have won provincial titles since the 90's. That shows that many counties can compete. Especially when competing on an equal footing as the other teams. Dont forget that Dublin were spending 3 million on coaches while some other counties had 7,500. That's the opposite of fair. I've stated already that each county should get funding appropriate to them. This would involve having enough coaches necessary to develop hurling and football at club level but also a paid officer has to be in place to oversee it. Pooled sponsorship is the fair way forward. You cant have some counties such as Dublin getting 1.5 million per year on top of everything else and still having fair competitions.
tritium wrote: » Your points above are fair but they also miss a number of additional al points 1 dublin also have a series of disadvantages including price of land and other facilities and a limited supply of available land. They also face competition for players and resources that doesn’t exist in many counties. Managing both advantages and disadvantages is the key to optimising output 2 many counties have badly managed their advantages- counties with 200-600k people are not being dwarfed by dublins population advantages in the way Leitrim with 30k is 3 Finance and access to resources is a longer term as broader GAA problem- the GAA has always been about haves and have nots By the way I’m not expecting every county to sign deals with AIG. That said dublin went from Arnotts to Vodafone to AIG by maximising how they sold the brand. How many other counties have put in the work to so that? How many could be bothered? On that side dublin are extraordinarily professional and it’s not a bad thing That’s not to say I do t want changes to funding or don’t agree that there’s issues. Equally though hobbling dublin to open up a pathway for other bigger counties like Kerry or Mayo, who also already have advantages over the pack doesn’t seem the right way to go. I’d rather a model that creates a proper competitive competition but that’s not easy in a county and provincial format. At a minimum the provincial format is past its sell by date. On funding I’d hugely support increasing funds to weaker counties. I also want them to actually use it to develop their structures properly, from kids up I’d also support pooling a portion of revenue, maybe 50%, with allocation to smaller counties the priority, but I’d also want counties to maximise what they can get themselves and be a bit professional about it Finally a lot of supporters need to get real on how quickly these things happen. We’ve had one poster blaming dublin funding for success in the early 2000s- it’s insane. Building something takes time and unless the investments are made on that basis it will always be a poor mouth model
Bass Reeves wrote: » There is only3 counties with populations greater than 200k Cork county 550k Galway 260k and Kildare225 accordance to the 2016 census. Meath was 195k and may have exceed it now. If Dublin was put into is administrative district's Dublin City and Cork city and countym the biggest GAA county with 550k, followed Fingal 300k and South Dublin 280k. Galway 260k followed by Kildare and Dun Laoghaire next on 220k. Meath and Limeriick are at 195khttps://www.joe.ie/news/ireland-census-figures-584182
tritium wrote: » You know the GAA uses 32 counties right?
Bass Reeves wrote: » I was replying to many counties have badly managed their advantages- counties with 200-600k people are not being dwarfed by dublins population advantages in the way Leitrim with 30k is
Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: » I would really prefer not to split Dublin, and I was against the idea for a long time, but I increasingly wonder if there's any other option that would have a big impact.
salmocab wrote: » The thing is for all the talk here it’s the only thing that won’t be happening.
munster87 wrote: » The damage has already been done at intercounty level with regards to the funding. It doesn’t matter that the project is ended. There are so many advantages and these have started the end of intercounty football in my opinion. A move towards some form of franchised teams over the next decade would be my hope.
Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: » It probably won't happen unless things get really, really bad. I hope I'm wrong now and was right before and that things can be fixed.
tritium wrote: » The influence that enabled the lady footballers to travel back in time and win an AI before the funding started That enabled the u21s to do the same Cause that what you attributed to both of them in your previous posts. Serious money if dublin are dealing in time travel now. They could even go back in time and erase the great Kerry team. Or maybe you’re just talking bitter nonsense Still no idea what your idea of fair allocation is btw, could you fill in some details on the how? Is it per player or does every county get the same for example? On the sponsorship, do you really think teams will maximise revenue when there’s no benefit over what you get by letting everyone else do the work. I vaguely remember it was tried in Eastern Europe last century and wasn’t a great success tbh
ClanofLams wrote: » Dublin Tyrone All Ireland final couple of years ago wasn’t entirely full.
ShyMets wrote: » Perhaps you should contact your county board and raise your concerns. Instead of spending a good deal of your time on an anonymous chat site ranting about Dublin. County boards have the power to force change. Internet forums do not
salmocab wrote: » I can’t imagine any other sets of people advocating for making the best worse instead of making other outfits better. A proper review of what works and what doesn’t and how to increase the quality of adults playing the game by improving whatever is needed at underage and infrastructure wise should be done. There is a model in Dublin that parts of could be replicated but other parts won’t work elsewhere due to various factors like population density, size of clubs etc. Then money should be funnelled into enacting plans countrywide with county boards given certain criteria they have to meet. I would think the first job would be to identify a group to investigate what Dublin do, what others do and what should be done, throwing money at it with no overarching plan would be a waste for a lot of the country. People like Pat Gilroy would be great to have involved.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » So the consensus seems to be Split dublin into 2 at least but preferably 4 Review funding Reduce funding for dublin and bring up funding for rest so as to Bring about a situation where a player in Roscommon or Carlow for example receives same funding as a dub, taking into account the inherent advantages dublin players benefit from
tritium wrote: » that comment is about dublins population advantage in GAA terms, you can’t exclude the 6 counties
ooter wrote: » What was the attendance, and if you have the attendance for the 2018 hurling final could you provide that please?
ClanofLams wrote: » The hurling was a full house, I was at it. Per the Irish Times "Dublin’s 2018 All-Ireland with Tyrone didn’t sell out and although this was not officially acknowledged, the weight of anecdotal evidence of empty seats in different areas of the stadium suggested otherwise."https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/as-dublin-stroll-to-another-final-when-will-the-gaa-say-the-system-is-broken-1.4428954 Less than one million watched RTÉ coverage last Saturday, down from 1.3 million when the teams last met in an All Ireland final. In all sports, domination leads to declining interest, even from supporters of the dominant team, as reflected in drop in attendance at Dublin games matching the overall fall in attendance.
