the kelt wrote: » Why who said I’m not open to the superb management of Jim Gavin et all being a factor in the footballers success? It backs up my point, when the hurlers had a superb manager in place they were successful at senior level and haven’t had one since The point I’m making is I don’t understand why there’s this attempt to rewrite history by forever claiming “well the hurlers haven’t won everything, explain that then” Fair play to Dublin, they have made the most of every penny afforded to them, it’s a GAA problem, not Dublins but let’s at least admit an issue with funding exists. How much difference it made is basically a matter of debate because in reality we will never know.
tritium wrote: » Ah ah not so fast, under that model per capita becomes the only way to look at funding since you want to focus on your resource pool. By that yardstick:https://sportforbusiness.com/is-dublin-gaa-funding-fair-and-proportionate/ Which indicates that the GAA have already addressed many of the issues and in fact are pumping funding elsewhere. Now I appreciate that your conspiracy theory requires outrage if Meath don’t now get €10 million handed to them and start winning Leinster titles overnight, but in reality that’s not actually realistic on so many fronts
tritium wrote: » You don’t understand why posters bite back at the suggestion that an exceptional manager and players bought success? No one on this side of the argument seems to disagree that dublin got good funding, albeit needed after years of underachieving and neglect. The problem is the bull**** spinning to make out something that isn’t there, even while work is being done to rebalance funding. Too many posters would prefer to blame dublin for the gaas problems than acknowledge the much longer term imbalance or indeed ask their own county board to take a long look in the mirror
Higgins5473 wrote: » It's hard to believe you wrote all this muck sober, or are you in another time zone?
tritium wrote: » Can you explain how you see mismanagement of the dublin hurlers as the reason for their failures but you’re not open to the superb management of the dublin footballers being the reason for their success? Genuine question since they compete with the same county and have the same resources available
Enquiring wrote: » Can you come up with a reasonable explanation as to why Dublin received over 12.5 times the level if funding Cork received?
tritium wrote: » Because they were in real danger of being lost to the GAA if something wasn’t done to develop the game amongst the kids in dublin
Enquiring wrote: » Every county has it's own issues. At the same time of this special fund for Dublin only, we had 6 counties emerging from a 30 year war. These counties had far more issues than Dublin. Remember, Dublin had won an All Ireland a few years before and were regular winners of the Leinster championship. The key thing here is that this fund was ring fenced for Dublin. Why was the development of Gaelic games in Dublin put ahead of all other counties?
Deathknell wrote: » The narrative - was as pointed out - They kids were being lost to the GAA. How serious this situation is or was, was never quantified as far as I can see. It was a feeling more than anything else. If it was genuinely the case, that youngsters were negative on GAA, then it needed to be tackled, no issue whatso-ever with that. The truth is, Rugby & Soccer will always be competitive, especially so in Dublin. I guess, the real benefit was to put GAAA programs in those traditionally R/S schools. I dont know how successful that has been. Basically, there was an over-reaction to underperformance by Dublin. They still had 20+ All Irelands despite this competition. The GAA is set-up as a county system, and its real selling point is that - however, demographics, urbanisation and availability of work, dont care. The GAA may have to face facts - that Dublin has and will always now be, a province, playing counties.
RIGOLO wrote: » Suck it up buddy.. The Dubs couldnt win an ALL-IRELAND , afraid to step outside Croker to take on their opponents . History books are written about great men, great civilisations, great empires that went outside their home turf to wage war and battle and return with the spoils of victory. In general these armies left their women folk at home to look after the homestead, The Dubs are a bit like that. Let the womenfolk play at home, sure they couldnt hack it going into the enemies fortresses and having to fight for the ball there.
tritium wrote: » Mate you have no interest in the actual answer and apparently zero knowledge of dublin, you just want to bury yourself in your ****e conspiracy theory. I watched playing fields my friends trained on torn up to stick down apartments. If you read the article I quoted from earlier you’ll see the costs dublin clubs faced to buy or rent space to train on- a multiple of what anyone else paid. I saw friends forced out of dublin because they couldn’t afford to buy or rent here. You ****e on about what Bertie did for dublin, what Bertie did was crap on dublin, and the government and to an extent the GAA did nothing for years until they realised it was going to cost them money and votes in the long run. That’s why they put money in to help dublin, because they’d basically broken it in the first place to the extent that it went from being just a GAA joke to an actual laughing stock. Dublin helped themselves too by getting their house in order, including realising their commercial value. Something many of their neighbors seem still unwilling to do. They shouldn’t have to justify that to anyone There are other parts of the country that could do with funding too at this point or they’ll have similar problems down the line- Meath and Kildare need help with structures no question. Cork are huge underachievers in the men’s games. The GAA appear to realise and be working on it. However we should never go back to the old status quo where a few counties played the system and pretended everything was grand
Deathknell wrote: » Counties that really have questions to answer - IMHO Meath, Kildare, Louth, Wicklow - All have had serious population increases in line with Dublin and should be benefitting from that. Note, all are Leinster counties. They should be under micro management from the Croke Park until they get their **** together.
Deathknell wrote: » . The only other solution (FB at least) here is the one that dare not speak its name. Its a natural endpoint to urbanisation.. Professionalism.
Hammer Archer wrote: » Again, the vast majority of these population increases came from Dublin families. 99% of these families who had any interest in GAA continued to support Dublin. Some were even close enough to continue playing with their clubs in Dublin. A number of those younger players who did play with clubs in their new county ended up playing for Dublin underage e.g. Mick Deegan from Ashbourne, Glenn O'Reilly & Shane Clayton from Ratoath (though both transferred to Dublin clubs) and Mikey Quinn from Eadestown. If you're a young lad and talented enough, who are you going to choose to play for? The county you've grown up wearing the jersey and supporting and watching them winning everything on offer or the relatively unsuccessful county you live in? Of course there are exceptions to this. The captain of our Leinster minor winning side in 2006 was a Dublin fanatic. However, his view was that he's living and playing club football in Meath, so it was only right that he'd play for Meath. But those exceptions are few and far between and it's a problem that the likes of Dublin do not have.
Bass Reeves wrote: » Professionalism because of team and squad sizes, as well as trying to organise academy's and player development would only support sub ten teams in a country the size of Ireland. I expect in reality you be looking at a team in Connaught, two at most in Munster, Ulster and Leinster and maybe 3 in Dublin. However if Football went professional Hurling it would have serious implications for hurling which would struggle to follow the professional model. The day GAA goes professional is the day they can apply for planning for apartments in CP as it will.only be 10 years away
Cilldara_2000 wrote: » +1 on this. "You should be doing better because of your population increase" is a nonsense argument when almost all the population increase is expat Dubs. In 2011, the population of Kildare was 208,783. In 2016 it was 220,693. The population born in the county in 2011 was 80,993, in 2016 it was 80,304. The overall increase makes a difference at club level - figures about Kildare being right near the top of the list of counties with more teams operating have already been posted but this does not translate into either more support or success for the county team. It's great for a club to have loads more underage teams but when all these young lads are coming in wearing Dublin jerseys, it does nothing for the county. Also, the argument that Kildare are making a complete mess of things is also nonsense. In recent years we have gone toe to toe with Dublin at minor level and won more than our fair share of Leinster minor championships. Not that long ago we went toe to toe with the top counties at senior level too. It literally broke the county financially. It's no surprise that things fell apart at senior level thereafter when austerity was imposed and I'm not going to say the Kildare couldn't do much better on and off the field but ultimately I'm not going to take supporters from counties funded to the hilt, regardless of the source of the funds, knocking Kildare, Meath et al for not making a purse from a pig's ear. Every problem is easier solved when you can throw loads of money at it.
tritium wrote: » Seriously you embarrass yourself with stuff like this. Take a look at Dublins record pre 2011- neglected serial underachievers and the butt of the rest of the countries jolkes
salmocab wrote: » Where is the Dublin population increase coming from so? They can’t be all Dubs, surely a lot are coming from other counties as well as abroad.
Cilldara_2000 wrote: » The same figures for Dublin: 2011 total: 1,244,745 2016 total: 1,318,033 Increase: 73,288 Born in county 2011: 830,702 Born in county 2016: 880,457 Increase: 49,755 Source: https://data.cso.ie/table/E2040 So 67.9% of the increase was people born in Dublin. For Kildare it was actually minus 5.8%.
ArielAtom wrote: » The population increase in Dublin is foreign nationals and country folk moving to Dublin, so similar to the Meath and Kildare situation with population growth.
