the kelt wrote: » Yeah I think that’s fair. I do think that’s more to do with the managers they’ve chosen since Daly to be honest though.
tobefrank321 wrote: » Dublon footballers were always at a high level, maybe 90% as good as the best out there. The increase in gdf funding probably added 20% to their level and suddenly roles were reversed ans Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo were 90% of Dublins level. The Dublin hurlers were at maybe 50% as good as the best out there. A 20% increase in performance would still leave them 70% as good. They started from a much lower base. But the evidence is obvious, the hurlers have hugely improved, no question.
kilns wrote: » In 2013 they were Leinster champions and league champions by your metrics that's around 80% but last year Laois knocked them out so you could argue they are back to 50% and therefore regressed. That's 7 years with no improvement
kilns wrote: » Cunningham had different ideas but Daly had that Charisma that elevated the team, he really had them believing but they had a core group of great players. If Conal Keaney hurled for Kilkenny he would have gone down as one of the greats They simply haven't replaced that group and have therefore regressed even with a top manager in Mattie Kenny in charge
NW_10 wrote: » They beat Laois twice this year. Last year was a blip.
the kelt wrote: » I work with someone pretty well known in Cuala hurling circles who flagged Kenny as a disaster of an appointment for Dublin from the get go! I thought he was wrong but every issue he laid out that would happen did.
kilns wrote: » And? All the previous years since 2013, how many leinster finals have they been in? How many league finals have they been in?
NW_10 wrote: » Are you denying that Dublin's hurlers have come on leaps and bounds since the 2000s? There has been huge growth at underage level and that will be seen in the years to come. Their biggest problem at the moment is a crap manager.
NW_10 wrote: » Their biggest problem at the moment is a crap manager.
Enquiring wrote: » What you fail to realise is that it's not the performance of teams in Dublin that is the issue. Winning things or losing things is just a byproduct. It's the huge level of resources that were handed to Dublin GAA that is the issue. Millions of euros for a Dublin only scheme. This has led to a huge increase in sponsorship, now also in the millions per year. Increased success was inevitable with the influx of professional coaches but no one has a problem with Dublin being successful. If it was done fairly then everything would be fine. It wasn't done fairly though and it has left us in a position where Dublin must be split. You can't reverse 2 decades of the funding imbalance the GAA has overseen. It was at an obscene level.
ooter wrote: » And Gaelic football's biggest problem for 7 years was that Dublin had a ****in outstanding manager.
kilns wrote: » I'm saying they have regressed since 2013 (7 years), results don't lie and the manager is certainly not the issue
kilns wrote: » Splitting Dublin is a stupid argument if done in isolation
Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: » I doubt his absence will make too big a difference.
NW_10 wrote: » Dublin is still competitive with the other top teams. They haven't regressed much.
ooter wrote: » The 5 in a row doesn't happen without him.
Enquiring wrote: » No, the stupid part of all of this was giving the county with by far the largest population, the far largest portion of development funding. Splitting Dublin is the first part of the resolution.
tritium wrote: » The dublin ladies had been knocking on the door since about 2003, along with a few other teams. Knocking mainly against an exceptional Cork ladies team who really do define domination Dublin u21s won their first title in 2003 after being runners up in 2002. Bit of a stretch to say that was the money at work Bit disingenuous of you to ignore that don’t you think
kilns wrote: » 10/15 years ago they were the 4th team in Leinster today they still are. They are not even in the top 8 in Ireland. Coming from leinster champions and league champions 7 years ago. I hate to say it but That is the definition of regression
NW_10 wrote: » Look at the Leinster championship last year. They were third and level with KK and Wexford on 5 points. They came very close to beating KK this year despite a very poor 1st half. You're clueless if you think Dublin's hurlers are the same level as 15 years ago.
risteard7 wrote: » I was looking at Paul Manions Instagram. A brand new Hyundai Tuscon from Mooney motors in Deansgrange last year, I presume every player got one. He has a Rolex watch on in the picture posing beside the jeep. Weirandsons on Grafton street kindly donated a Empori Armani smartwatch too, Lucky man. Meanwhile Darren Hughes of Monaghan is up early milking the cows to make ends meet. That's what I love about Amateur sport
kilns wrote: » And your avoiding the fact that they have regressed since 2013. The title of this thread is the dominance of Dublin GAA not just the senior football team.
NW_10 wrote: » This thread was always about the football team. Nice attempt at a deflection but it won't work.
ooter wrote: » Yeah said it earlier, not sure about Donegal but Kerry would've caught them this year I reckon if it had been a normal champo. Cork might've still beaten them in Munster but they would've still came through the qualifiers and super 8s to eventually meet dublin
kilns wrote: » Not deflecting it's what we have been discussing The fact you can't admit the Dublin senior hurling team are not at same as they were in 2013 means we should move on
