bubblypop wrote: » No, I never said I was for automatic citizenship. I'm really not sure what posters here actually want. No automatic citizenship, but you're only really Irish if you're born on the island. People born here to foreign parents are their parents nationality but people born to Irish parents overseas are not really irish?
biko wrote: » Ok, you should go to the other thread for clarity and stop derailing this one but in short - as long as one parent is Irish the child gets Irish citizenship. If both parents are Polish (without Irish citizenship) the child does not automatically get Irish citizenship even if he or she is born here. If you are not for jus soli then you agree with me and the vast majority of the Irish population and all of Europe that jus sanguinis is best.
kildare lad wrote: » And how does this benefit Ireland or any other EU city ? Id love to see all those lgbt , gender confused lefties walk by them holding hands . They wouldn't be long getting ran out of it
Acosta wrote: » Those pics don't look any worse than the Eucharistic Processions I had to go on when I was an alter boy. The Irish people have had more than enough of religion interfering with how they live their lives and their choices. And we still have some way to go dealing with the damage religion being an overbearing presence in society has done. Religion, whatever the faith will never have that kind of power again in Ireland.
Acosta wrote: » Religion, whatever the faith will never have that kind of power again in Ireland.
Kraftwerk wrote: » Religion still has a lot of control and influence. Something like 90% of schools are under the control of the Catholic Church.
Acosta wrote: » I'm well aware of that. As I said we still have some way to go. As for Islam. It has the second biggest following in the world so far as religion goes. And for the vast majority of them, like any other religion, they practice their faith for their own private reasons and have little or no desire to push their beliefs on others.
statesaver wrote: » People who went through Catholic education overwhelmingly voted for SSM and abortions. Hardly under control now are they.
Yellow_Fern wrote: » This is certainly true but it is a red herring argument. Look at France. The vast majority of French muslims are tolerant and western culture-oriented and I am sure most strongly embrace the French constitutional principle of secularism Laïcité. But there is still 100,000-800,000 who think sucide bombing is sometimes right. that is a problem.https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2006/06/22/the-great-divide-how-westerners-and-muslims-view-each-other/
Kraftwerk wrote: » I never said voters were under control I said the schools were. Which they are. Why are you lying about what I said? As the other poster said there's still a lot of work to do to get out from under the influence of the Catholic Church. Personally I think there's a long way to go. But there's no need to quote partial sentences to lie about what people are saying. That's just rather dumb now isn't it?
statesaver wrote: » I was replying to your post. Pupils become voters and they voted for divorce, SSM and abortion. The RCC have fcuk all control of children these days.
Kraftwerk wrote: » Where did I say they control voters? I said they control 90% of the schools. Which they do. 90% of schools are operated by the Church. Can you quote where I said the majority of voters are under the control of the RCC? You can't. Because you made it up.
jmreire wrote: » For a person born in an Islamic Country, privacy does not come into it. The religion will control each and every part of his life. For 1400 years now, Muslims have followed the teachings of Mohammad, and one of these is to convert the whole world to Islam. And throughout history, they have done this either peacefully or militarily. And its ongoing to the present day, so when their nrs increase in a Country , like Ireland say, then they will push more and more for Islam to be incorporated into Irish Society. Meaning that Irish Society will be expected to change to accommodate Islam. From an article in the Irish Times back in 2014 : Quote Dr Selim, also of the Islamic Cultural Centre, and a lecturer in Trinity College and the Mater Dei Institute in Dublin, called for “a revolution of inclusivity” in Irish schools and “an upheaval in Irish educational perspectives” to accommodate the needs of a society which is now “home to a variety of Christian denominations, as well as people of other faiths and of none”. He noted that “Muslim festivals are neither celebrated or marked in the calendar in Irish schools”. He called for separate same-sex PE facilities for Muslim girls and criticised RSE programmes in schools, as well as music and drama classes, where there could be “a clash of values” with Islam. UnQuote. This is the thin end of the wedge, as their Nrs increase, so will the demands. Islam does not change ( because it cannot change), but expects other cultures to change to suit Islam. And now in Europe, we are starting to see this in action,,the clash of Cultures, and its not a pretty sight,
statesaver wrote: » Ok, get you know. Maybe use ethos instead of control.
bubblypop wrote: » And yet there are countries in the world with Muslim majorities, that are not ruled by islam. So, not much chance of Islam taking over in ireland.
jmreire wrote: » You might like to name them?
bubblypop wrote: » Off the top of my head, indonesia, Kosovo, Albania.
Yellow_Fern wrote: » I am not sure about Kosovo and Albania but Indonesia forbids inter religion marriage, marriage licences are often needed for couples booking rooms, churches are bombed regularly and worse of all, the mayor of their capital city, a christian was imprisoned under blasphemy law for saying his muslims critics misinterpreted the Koran. https://www.economist.com/asia/2016/12/20/the-persecution-of-a-christian-mayor-in-indonesia
Frankie Machine wrote: » I think the issue is that your point wasn't worth raising in the first place, such is the meaninglessness of the 'control' you were referring to.
Kraftwerk wrote: » I think the issue is people on here are so eager to argue that they can't even comprehend basic English. .
Kraftwerk wrote: Religion still has a lot of control and influence. Something like 90% of schools are under the control of the Catholic Church.
Kraftwerk wrote: » I think the issue is people on here are so eager to argue that they can't even comprehend basic English. That poster basically invented a point to disagree with and everyone is thanking him. Then he asks me to use the wrong word that will suit his misunderstanding. Now we have you telling me my point wasn't even worth raising. As I said. Some people just want to argue. If there's nothing they disagree with they'll invent something.
Those pics don't look any worse than the Eucharistic Processions I had to go on when I was an alter boy. The Irish people have had more than enough of religion interfering with how they live their lives and their choices. And we still have some way to go dealing with the damage religion being an overbearing presence in society has done. Religion, whatever the faith will never have that kind of power again in Ireland.
Religion still has a lot of control and influence. Something like 90% of schools are under the control of the Catholic Church.
Deleted User wrote: » I had a catholic upbringing. Catholic primary and secondary schools. Attended a seminary (Jesuits) too during a number of summers. Church choir. etc. Quite a religious family, with priests/nuns throughout on both sides. And it didn't matter because the effect of Church control was disappearing by the time I entered schooling. The stories of my parents about the power of the parish priest were like fantasy stories in comparison to when I grew up (70s). Neither the schools, nor the priests in my community had much sway with what people believed outside of Mass and holy days. The other post was "liked" by me because it was true. The Church owning 90% of schools doesn't matter one iota because the indoctrination of people was 'mostly' a thing of the past. People voted for SSM and Abortions, even though they had attended Catholic schooling. Oh... and my understanding of English is pretty damn good. Perhaps you should consider the logic of what you want to write before writing it.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I had a catholic upbringing. Catholic primary and secondary schools. Attended a seminary (Jesuits) too during a number of summers. Church choir. etc. Quite a religious family, with priests/nuns throughout on both sides. And it didn't matter because the effect of Church control was disappearing by the time I entered schooling. The stories of my parents about the power of the parish priest were like fantasy stories in comparison to when I grew up (70s). Neither the schools, nor the priests in my community had much sway with what people believed outside of Mass and holy days. The other post was "liked" by me because it was true. The Church owning 90% of schools doesn't matter one iota because the indoctrination of people was 'mostly' a thing of the past. People voted for SSM and Abortions, even though they had attended Catholic schooling. Oh... and my understanding of English is pretty damn good. Perhaps you should consider the logic of what you want to write before writing it.
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