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Dosing cattle

gerryirl

just wondering what lads dose beef cattle with . So much out there everyone differs.

I do bought in ones with blackleg and endospec when bought. Could use albex too. Do them again with dose in couple of months. Shave them when in an use pour on closamectin
Some use ivomec
Then theres trodax, zanil, theres the pour ons closamectin/ ivomec etc . the list is endless. Im not very well up on it. Just wondered what others are doing and using

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kollegeknight

jfh wrote: »

Hi kollegeknight,
Where did you get the trodax, my dairygold coop was saying that it was off the market when I was looking for it? Thanks

My local vets in Kilrush co Clare had it.

I host checked agridirect and it’s there.

https://www.agridirect.ie/product/trodax-34-injection

jfh

kollegeknight wrote: »

Got all the dosing done today. Bolus’ in the incalf cows and rest got multivitamin injections too.

Was leaning over a cow and she shifted, the syrignge broke and I got a shot of todax into the eye, lucky I had a tap close and got it washed out fast and down to mams for a proper eye wash then. No irritation tg.

Was just reading about the disposable syringes and two new ones broke at the same spot today. I prefer them to reusable ones due to the cleaning but will reconsider now.

Hi kollegeknight,
Where did you get the trodax, my dairygold coop was saying that it was off the market when I was looking for it? Thanks

greysides

oneten wrote: »

Albendazole covers adult fluke

Correct.

oneten

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

https://online.flippingbook.com/view/798965/8-9/

if i'm reading that right , then Albendazole covers adult fluke , or maybe i'm reading it wrong and you'll help me understand where i'm going off track

kollegeknight

hopeso wrote: »

Do you have a yellow eye today?

But, like everything, I don't think the yellow staining from Trodax is as hard removed from skin as it used to be one time....

No it’s way easier to remove now. Would look some pillock with my photo with Santa.

Lime Tree Farm

oneten wrote: »

Albendazole covers adult fluke

https://online.flippingbook.com/view/798965/8-9/

oneten

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

Mectin and tramazole both cover adults, larvae & inhibited larvae round worms
Mectin and tramazole both cover adults & larvae of Cooperia
Mectin and tramazole both cover adults & larvae of lungworm
only tramazole covers adult liverfluke

Albendazole covers adult fluke

Water John

funkey_monkey wrote: »

So does this mean that the oral drench is better than pour on?

No, I normally use a pour on, just a tip someone gave me. Horses for courses.

hopeso

kollegeknight wrote: »

Yeah I was very lucky. At least I’ll have no fluke for the Christmas.

Do you have a yellow eye today?

But, like everything, I don't think the yellow staining from Trodax is as hard removed from skin as it used to be one time....

kollegeknight

keepalive213 wrote: »

Ah jayzus

Yeah I was very lucky. At least I’ll have no fluke for the Christmas.

keepalive213

kollegeknight wrote: »

Was leaning over a cow and she shifter, the syrignge broke and I got a shot of todax into the eye,

Ah jayzus

Bass Reeves

Dickie10 wrote: »

hello all, i was wondering what i should dose my store and weanlings cattle with, i want to do them over xmas now im off , want to do them for fluke. housed on 28 October

If you can let them to near the new year an avermectin super/plus will do the job. Products like Bimectin plus, Animec Super. Online you can buy 1.25L for 180euro when on offer. Topmec have a super/plus as well.

They give a certain amount of conyrol of lice as well

kollegeknight

Got all the dosing done today. Bolus’ in the incalf cows and rest got multivitamin injections too.

Was leaning over a cow and she shifted, the syrignge broke and I got a shot of todax into the eye, lucky I had a tap close and got it washed out fast and down to mams for a proper eye wash then. No irritation tg.

Was just reading about the disposable syringes and two new ones broke at the same spot today. I prefer them to reusable ones due to the cleaning but will reconsider now.

Dakota Dan

Cavanjack wrote: »

Everything is bought in here. They all get levefas Diamond soon enough after arriving weather going into a shed or to grass. When housing cattle we give them aN ivermectin injection like bimectin and shave their backs. At the start of the new year everything gets trodax for fluke. Usually have to do a pour on for lice as well when housed. In the spring going to grass everything gets a shot of copper and yearling cattle get blackleg vaccine.
Mid summer those yearling cattle get an ivermectin injection as soon as a few of them start coughing.
2 year old cattle never get a dose during the summer unless there are obvious issues with some of them but can’t remember the last time we had 2 year old bullocks with worm problems.

Do you also give them a blackleg vaccine? I learned that the hard way, I spent a day in the mart buying yearlings and left them straight out on spring grass, a week later I had one dead from blackleg, ever since I give them 2 doses 2 weeks apart before letting them out on grass. Of course that's my land other peoples land might not be the same but no harm in highlighting it.

Dakota Dan

Farmer Dan wrote: »

How long after dosing cattle should you see then drying up??
I done them a week ago tomorrow with Endofluke & Dectomax.

Thanks

2 weeks, I had yearlings this spring that never saw grass and after putting them out this spring it took 2 doses to clear them of worms and hoose. I used albex.

Dickie10

hello all, i was wondering what i should dose my store and weanlings cattle with, i want to do them over xmas now im off , want to do them for fluke. housed on 28 October

Lime Tree Farm

Kollegeknight and Water John, you are both absolutely correct, my mistake. In my head I was thinking of TRAMAZOLE (albendazole) and mistakenly typed Trodax. I am editing the above misinformation.

kollegeknight

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Think that might be bit confusing. Generally should look at Avermectin as being for worms and is suitable for winter dosing for worms. Trodax is really for liver fluke and shouldn’t be considered as a fluke and worm dose on its own.

Trodax covers immature and mature fluke - so it can be a good option for Fluke this time of year if cattle have been in for more than 6 weeks (So any early immature fluke picked up at grass before housing have now gotten to immature stage) but too early for products like Ivomec Super combo - as they only hit mature stage of fluke (along with full cover for worms).

Oral dosing for fluke much better value than Trodax (and some will kill down to early immature stage so can do sooner after housing) but we find it very difficult to use on suckler cows, even with hook drencher - too cute!! - but ok with younger stock. Suppose head scoop would be the answer but then prob too cute to put heads in head gate as well !!

Bimectin and Trodax is what my vet suggested for my dose this winter as a cover all.

I’ve a head scoop ordered. Wil have to plan a way to get cattle into sculling gate- they are definitely getting cute to it.

I bought the scoop so I could oral drench and bolus.

FeelTheBern

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

Mectin and trodax both cover adults, larvae & inhibited larvae round worms
Mectin and trodax both cover adults & larvae of Cooperia
Mectin and trodax both cover adults & larvae of lungworm
only trodax covers adult liverfluke

Think that might be bit confusing. Generally should look at Avermectin as being for worms and is suitable for winter dosing for worms. Trodax is really for liver fluke and shouldn’t be considered as a fluke and worm dose on its own.

Trodax covers immature and mature fluke - so it can be a good option for Fluke this time of year if cattle have been in for more than 6 weeks (So any early immature fluke picked up at grass before housing have now gotten to immature stage) but too early for products like Ivomec Super combo - as they only hit mature stage of fluke (along with full cover for worms).

Oral dosing for fluke much better value than Trodax (and some will kill down to early immature stage so can do sooner after housing) but we find it very difficult to use on suckler cows, even with hook drencher - too cute!! - but ok with younger stock. Suppose head scoop would be the answer but then prob too cute to put heads in head gate as well !!

Lime Tree Farm

Mectin and tramazole both cover adults, larvae & inhibited larvae round worms
Mectin and tramazole both cover adults & larvae of Cooperia
Mectin and tramazole both cover adults & larvae of lungworm
only tramazole covers adult liverfluke

FeelTheBern

kollegeknight wrote: »

Can you give a mectin based dose and trodax on the same day? As a young fella dad used always do it but as an adult who knows no better would be nervous.

Yes you can - no problem.

Farmer Dan

Thanks Water John, I was just wondering, maybe I was expecting them to dry up too quick.
Also, I've read tonight that the change in diet when housed with high dmd silage, can take a while for the stomach to adjust.

kollegeknight

Can you give a mectin based dose and trodax on the same day? As a young fella dad used always do it but as an adult who knows no better would be nervous.

Water John

I noticed last year it took a while. Was wondering was it some other problem, then they dryed but it was a few weeks.
Dosed the bought in ones straight away this year before any loose dung. See one two weeks later scuttering, must have been missed and I'd be fussy. Dosed him and it took him a while to dry up too.

Had a neighbour who got distracted and dosed some of a crush twice. He lost 4.

Farmer Dan

How long after dosing cattle should you see then drying up??
I done them a week ago tomorrow with Endofluke & Dectomax.

Thanks

Water John

The only point I would make with bought in cattle is that, if you think they have a heavy worm burden give them an oral drench not a pour on. The reason is the oral dose paralyses the lungworms and they cough them up, whilst a pour on kills them and they then can get pneumonia.
Sort of the opposite to what you'd think.

Cavanjack

gerryirl wrote: »

just wondering what lads dose beef cattle with . So much out there everyone differs.

I do bought in ones with blackleg and endospec when bought. Could use albex too. Do them again with dose in couple of months. Shave them when in an use pour on closamectin
Some use ivomec
Then theres trodax, zanil, theres the pour ons closamectin/ ivomec etc . the list is endless. Im not very well up on it. Just wondered what others are doing and using

Everything is bought in here. They all get levefas Diamond soon enough after arriving weather going into a shed or to grass. When housing cattle we give them aN ivermectin injection like bimectin and shave their backs. At the start of the new year everything gets trodax for fluke. Usually have to do a pour on for lice as well when housed. In the spring going to grass everything gets a shot of copper and yearling cattle get blackleg vaccine.
Mid summer those yearling cattle get an ivermectin injection as soon as a few of them start coughing.
2 year old cattle never get a dose during the summer unless there are obvious issues with some of them but can’t remember the last time we had 2 year old bullocks with worm problems.