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Let's all talk about Lewis?

Joeseph Balls

I'm not a Lewis hater, nor a fan.
I dislike the guy out of the car but this shouldn't cloud our judgement.
How close is he to being one of the greats?
Driving ability, he has to be up there?
I still think Alonso is a better driver or is this becoming a cliche?
His car has been an advantage, with Ferrari now very close, is it time we give him credit?
Is he just a very good driver, with a very good car, or are we witnessing an all time great?

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H8GHOTI

Today’s qualifying results, even though it was wet, were still very much car dependent. Hamilton beat Bottas by 7 tenths & that’s really the only worthwhile comparison.

Racing Point & Red Bull were obviously better cars in those conditions. It’s doubtful that any driver in a Mercedes today could have matched them.

Tom Mann Centuria

Hmmmm. Hamilton appears to have won.

Andrew76

And what a way to win, brilliant race from him. Delighted for Seb too.

tipp_tipp_tipp

2011 wrote: »

Judging by today’s performance it is clear that Hamilton’s ability seems to diminish considerably once the car advantage is gone (due to rain).

I would expect more from a driver that is “on the cusp of becoming the greatest driver of all time”.

Once the playing field is more leveled Hamilton’s real talent becomes apparent. Above average but far from number one.

This aged well.

Charlie-Bravo

Happy 7th championship Lewis! Mighty feat all the same in this era.

[Deleted User]

astrofluff wrote: »

Happy 7th championship Lewis! Mighty feat all the same in this era.

Howso on the second part? We're in an era of unprecedented stability in the regulations.

Gaoth Laidir

Well, I hate Lewis with a passion, but fair play to him, both today and over the past 7 championships. He may be a complete dick, but he does have a knack of managing tyres well. Gutted for Bottas, who yet again had car problems to deal with.

Well done Checo and Seb too. I'm baffled that Seb can spin that car in perfectly dry conditions yet kept in on the straight and narrow today!

murphyebass

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

I'm baffled that Seb can spin that car in perfectly dry conditions yet kept in on the straight and narrow today!

I don’t think you’re the only baffled at that to be fair.

How was there no safety car other than the brief VC. Mad race really.

I had €7 in my betfair account and threw it on Hamilton at the start of the race thinkin there’s no way he’ll manage it but **** it he’ll want at least a podium spot to celebrate and sure enough he did.

Got €14 won and my €7 back. Wish I’d had more in the account at the time.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.scotsman.com/read-this/lewis-hamilton-will-stay-formula-1-fight-against-racism-and-climate-change-3037353

Lewis Hamilton will stay in Formula 1 to fight against racism and climate change

To put the cat amongst the pigeons here, other than taking a knee and wearing shirts...what has he done to fight against racism?

I don't think any F1 driver should say they are helping fight climate change when they fly on private jets, drive cars with massive engines and partake in a sport that has a massive carbon footprint with the cargo travel alone!

Formula One driver Lewis Hamilton says campaigning for equal rights has made him "much prouder" than possibly clinching a seventh world title this season.

"Winning a world championship is very much a personal thing ... and that doesn't necessarily impact people's lives," he told reporters ahead of this weekend's race.

"Something I'm much prouder of (is) trying to improve conditions for people around the world. That's the most important thing for me."

Again...what campaigning? All I have found are the knee taking and shirt wearing. Or is he referencing his lock and chain he wore, or his custom IWC Big Pilot watch...

I will give most celebrities and sportspeople the credit for having a neck like a jockeys balls when it comes to this sort of stuff, especially F1 drivers, most of whom live in tax havens.

Man with broke phone

Lewis Hamilton will stay in Formula 1 to advertise products while he pretends to fight against racism and climate change

AMKC

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Well, I hate Lewis with a passion, but fair play to him, both today and over the past 7 championships. He may be a complete dick, but he does have a knack of managing tyres well. Gutted for Bottas, who yet again had car problems to deal with.

Well done Checo and Seb too. I'm baffled that Seb can spin that car in perfectly dry conditions yet kept in on the straight and narrow today!

Maybe the car just works better in the wet and at the lower speeds. When it's going faster it is just unstable at the rear end as there is higher temperatures too that effect parts of its suspension but it the wet cool Turkey weather I guess they did not have this problem.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8966063/Lewis-Hamilton-loses-three-year-legal-battle-ban-luxury-watchmakers-Hamilton-brand.html

Ah Lewis, don’t make it so easy to dislike you.

Lewis sued a watchmaker establishment in late 1800s named Hamilton because they’re, obviously enough, entitled to use the name Hamilton. He wanted them to be prevented from using the name Hamilton because he uses that name.

Great driver and a nobber.

Frank Bullitt

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8966063/Lewis-Hamilton-loses-three-year-legal-battle-ban-luxury-watchmakers-Hamilton-brand.html

Ah Lewis, don’t make it so easy to dislike you.

Lewis sued a watchmaker establishment in late 1800s named Hamilton because they’re, obviously enough, entitled to use the name Hamilton. He wanted them to be prevented from using the name Hamilton because he uses that name.

Great driver and a nobber.

I own a Hamilton, I love it. Maybe even more so now.

flazio

If they ever make a musical about his achievements, what can they call it? Hamilton is already taken.

[Deleted User]

Jesus the Daily Mail is some rag though, Hamilton is 30 according to that article.

JPF82

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8966063/Lewis-Hamilton-loses-three-year-legal-battle-ban-luxury-watchmakers-Hamilton-brand.html

Ah Lewis, don’t make it so easy to dislike you.

Lewis sued a watchmaker establishment in late 1800s named Hamilton because they’re, obviously enough, entitled to use the name Hamilton. He wanted them to be prevented from using the name Hamilton because he uses that name.

Great driver and a nobber.

Bit stupid to take such a case alright but I noted this bit in the story

"The hearing was told 44IP, named after the Mercedes driver's race number, are attempting to trademark the name 'Lewis Hamilton' for a number of goods including watches, smartwatches and jewellery and Hamilton International are opposing the move."

The watch company are opposing Lewis using his own name on his own brand of watches. Seems to be tit for tat.

H8GHOTI

^ You’re not meant to read the article, SMH.
Just look at the headline and then be outraged!

Frank Bullitt

JPF82 wrote: »

Bit stupid to take such a case alright but I noted this bit in the story

"The hearing was told 44IP, named after the Mercedes driver's race number, are attempting to trademark the name 'Lewis Hamilton' for a number of goods including watches, smartwatches and jewellery and Hamilton International are opposing the move."

The watch company are opposing Lewis using his own name on his own brand of watches. Seems to be tit for tat.

But then 44IP are also against Hamilton Watches producing digital watches of their own.

Lawyers for the racing driver raised concerns that the rival firm were seeking to expand into smartwatches.

Clearly LH is trying to have his own fashion and jewellery line, one of which is watches.

In reply, Hamilton International's legal team filed evidence stating: 'The appellant bases its accusation of bad faith of the contested trademark's proprietor on the fact that this party has not provided evidence of the commercial intent of the proprietor of the contested trademark to expand its market to related goods.

'We do not consider it appropriate or necessary to facilitate market strategies and marketing plans for a competitor, who intends to enter the market with a mark which is practically identical to the well-known earlier marks of our client, by offering goods which are also identical.'

Gaoth Laidir

H8GHOTI wrote: »

^ You’re not meant to read the article, SMH.
Just look at the headline and then be outraged!

Or continue reading on past the paragraph quoted above.

Lawyers for the racing driver raised concerns that the rival firm were seeking to expand into smartwatches.

In reply, Hamilton International's legal team filed evidence stating: 'The appellant bases its accusation of bad faith of the contested trademark's proprietor on the fact that this party has not provided evidence of the commercial intent of the proprietor of the contested trademark to expand its market to related goods.

'We do not consider it appropriate or necessary to facilitate market strategies and marketing plans for a competitor, who intends to enter the market with a mark which is practically identical to the well-known earlier marks of our client, by offering goods which are also identical.'

44IP were ordered to pay £893 towards Hamilton International's costs in the case.

El_Duderino 09

Looks like Lewis in on for a knighthood in the new year. Article says the needed to settle his tax affairs before it could go ahead.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8973965/Lewis-Hamilton-awarded-Knighthood-New-Years-Honours-tax-affairs-cleared.html

[Deleted User]

I'd prefer if they waited til retirement to honour sportspeople but if they're honouring any sportman then a 7 time world champion in a globally popular sport is a no-brainer really.

Spudman_20000

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Looks like Lewis in on for a knighthood in the new year. Article says the needed to settle his tax affairs before it could go ahead.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8973965/Lewis-Hamilton-awarded-Knighthood-New-Years-Honours-tax-affairs-cleared.html

So he'll be taking a knee again? Fair play to him

Gaoth Laidir

Bottas got more slack from some users on this forum again today after finishing 8th from 2nd on the grid at Bahrain. After a bad start from the dirty side, he got a puncture, which demoted him back to 16th, but he made it back to 8th again before getting a second puncture during the final safety car, making it home on the rim without losing a place.

I had a look at his technical DNFs at Mercedes compared to Lewis'. Since Bottas joined in 2017 he's had 5 technical failures (hydraulics, electronics, engine x 2, puncture), compared to Lewis' one (Austria 2018, fuel pressure). Who can forget that famous puncture while leading the race in Baku in 2018, then another blowout in Silverstone this year, where he lost several places while Lewis got his on the last lap and made it home. Whatever about punctures, which is just bad luck, it would seem that almost all the reliability issues in the Mercedes camp fall on Valtteri's side of the garage. People seem to forget or ignore this fact when slating the man. Of course there have been other times when Valtteri made mistakes (most recently Nurburgring), but a cynic could look at it and surmise that Lewis seems to get the lion's share of technical attention at the expense of Bottas.

Discuss.

El_Duderino 09

Yeah he’s been slightly less lucky than Lewis but 5 DNFs over 3 years isn’t the problem. It’s the consistency of the gap between Lewis to Bottas.

I don’t buy the idea that Bottas is crap. The gap isn’t as big as the gap between other teammates and Lewis is a top driver so there’s no shame in losing to him and beating him a few times in the season. That’s all Vettel has managed to do this season and people rush to his defence. Vettel has been beaten by a bigger margin over the season in quali and with about the same regularity in the race.

I think that it’s the disappointment that people misplace and call him crap as a result. He’s the only driver on the grid who has the car to actually challenge Lewis and he just isn’t good enough. I think he’s decent and often beats Lewis in quali, but just isn’t fast enough overall.

murphyebass

BBC sports personality of the year.

Words fail me.

Gaoth Laidir

murphyebass wrote: »

BBC sports personality of the year.

Words fail me.

But...but...did you not receive the positivity he sent out to everyone?

H8GHOTI

Well deserved

Zookey123

I don't get why everyone is so salty about Lewis on this thread. Lets not forget all his accomplishments in the sport. Second in his rookie season outscoring former 2 time world champion Alonso (most people here would be on their knees if Russel did that), has a race win in every season in f1 (what other driver has achieved that?), 7 world titles, consistently dominates his team mate in both race and quali, beat Seb in a slower car in 2018, all his achievements in karting F3 and GP2 winner. People say its all about the car. Well he has to share that and throughout his career he has had some tough team mates (Alonso, Button, Rosberg all world champions) name another driver who has had a tougher team mate line up. Yet it is he who has won the seven titles and only been outscored by a team mate twice (both occasions barely). There is only one reason people don't give him the props he deserves (we all know).

El_Duderino 09

H8GHOTI wrote: »

Well deserved

I wouldn’t have voted for him, but his achievement list for this year is pretty huge. Record pole positions (may have been last year), record wins, record world championships.

If he was ever going to win it then this is the right year for it.

El_Duderino 09

Zookey123 wrote: »

I don't get why everyone is so salty about Lewis on this thread. Lets not forget all his accomplishments in the sport. Second in his rookie season outscoring former 2 time world champion Alonso (most people here would be on their knees if Russel did that), has a race win in every season in f1 (what other driver has achieved that?), 7 world titles, consistently dominates his team mate in both race and quali, beat Seb in a slower car in 2018, all his achievements in karting F3 and GP2 winner. People say its all about the car. Well he has to share that and throughout his career he has had some tough team mates (Alonso, Button, Rosberg all world champions) name another driver who has had a tougher team mate line up. Yet it is he who has won the seven titles and only been outscored by a team mate twice (both occasions barely). There is only one reason people don't give him the props he deserves (we all know).

Yeah I know the reasons I don’t like him, he’s just not a likeable guy. Speaks in cliches, not very relatable, doesn’t appear to be very genuine in his over-effusive praise of fans. Not someone I would support in general.