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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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The comparison was silly. Walsh could be argued as the worst of those three and Mayo sacrificed their best player on Saturday to follow him everywhere. If Walsh jumped into the first row of concrete benches around the edge, Keegan would've hopped in beside him. Hardly conductive to getting easy space and ball

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wirelessdude01

PressRun wrote: »

Conroy is a good find in the forwards though? He didn't have a great day yesterday but he's overall had a good year and that experience should bring him on. He's only 20 or something.

When you look at it Conroy was captain of the u20s last year. McBrien, Coyne, Brickenden, Towey, Mullin and Moran all played u20 this year. Ryan and Flynn were u20 in '18.
Eoghan is still actually learning the basics of the game.
Good nucleus of a team there. Likes of the two Irwins will be there or thereabouts in a year or two.

PressRun

Conroy is a good find in the forwards though? He didn't have a great day yesterday but he's overall had a good year and that experience should bring him on. He's only 20 or something.

All that fandango

jmayo wrote: »

One last thing.
I refrained from posting on the main All Ireland thread even though some right boll**ology is being spouted about Mayo not having bottle and one right ar**hole had the gall to claim he would never want to be in a foxhole with Mayo men.

Well has there ever been a team that has come back year after year, giving their all despite setbacks, despite sore and painful losses.
If that is not the definition of dedication and bottle then I don't know what is.
And if ever one was to find oneself in a foxhole then I could think of no finer men to share it with than those Mayo players of the last 20 odd years.
You would know damn well they won't cowardly slink off from a fight and a give up on a cause no matter what.

I was thinking about this today. If Mayo had won, the same crowd who cant stand us would be full of it about how Mayo could only ever win in an empty croke park, using it as another stick to beat us with.

wirelessdude01

You really have to feel sorry for those from other counties that feel the need to come in here and rub salt. Yes we have our weaknesses and limitations within our team but the other counties would have only loved to have been there yesterday and weren't. We'll go again next year.

seligehgit

Girly Gal wrote: »

2012 mayo were more experienced than Donegal and ye still couldn't take ye're chance, It's about taking your opportunities when they present themselves. There's no doubt Mayo should have beaten Dublin the year they scored the two own goals. The reality is Mayo have never had enough clinical forwards to win an All Ireland, that's always been Mayo's downfall and nothing this year suggests it's been solved. Mayo always produce good defenders and midfielders but for some reason can't seem to produce top enough quality forwards.

A perennial issue.

seligehgit

charlie14 wrote: »

Fair dues, ye gave that Dublin team as good a rattle as anyone has given them in a long time.I`m not being condescending or casting aspersions on any of your teams over the past decade, but if I was a Mayo man I would be looking at the future with this present team with great confidence.

I had doubts about Clarke but he was excellent. Same on midfield with Fenton and Cluxton if Mayo pushed up on Dublin kick-outs but Mayo negated both doing so.
I also had worries about Kilkenny but he was well held also. Unfortunately the introduction of Howard and Mannion and Durcan having to go off let Fenton and Kilkenny back into it. Just small margins that were no reflection of the score or the game overall.

It`s always a downer to lose, but being the resilient lot ye are and from that performance yesterday ye should be looking to the future with a damn sight more confidence than gloom today.
That was one of the finest Mayo performances I have seen in a while and those new lads are class which that experience will only bring on further.

Thanks as always Charlie14.

You are a class act.

Best of luck to Donegal for the coming year.

Girly Gal

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I'm not diminishing the success of Galway in 98, just pointing out that when it came to the final they were not up against either the best team of the decade (Kerry in the 00s), or the best team of the all time (Dublin).

2012 mayo were more experienced than Donegal and ye still couldn't take ye're chance, It's about taking your opportunities when they present themselves. There's no doubt Mayo should have beaten Dublin the year they scored the two own goals. The reality is Mayo have never had enough clinical forwards to win an All Ireland, that's always been Mayo's downfall and nothing this year suggests it's been solved. Mayo always produce good defenders and midfielders but for some reason can't seem to produce top quality forwards.

jmayo

Have to say another sad day, but not unexpected.

Some of the newer lads didn't perform, made some very poor decisions, but first All Ireland and really first time meeting the might of Dublin.
Hopefully they will learn lessons and come back stronger.

Very bad start and I think it exposed some failing that have been there for all to see.
O'Shea is just not mobile enough for modern midfield of likes of Dublin.

Pressure on kickouts was brilliant.

And then the superior fitness and squad of Dublin really came into view from around 55 minutes on.
The lads really tired and started hitting and hoping.

Also didn't help that ref was terrible for us especially.

One could argue the black card for McDaid was generous, but how the feck did cooper avoid one.

And to top it off Keegan didn't even get a free for being poleaxed with a shoulder straight into exposed chest.

One last thing.
I refrained from posting on the main All Ireland thread even though some right boll**ology is being spouted about Mayo not having bottle and one right ar**hole had the gall to claim he would never want to be in a foxhole with Mayo men.

Well has there ever been a team that has come back year after year, giving their all despite setbacks, despite sore and painful losses.
If that is not the definition of dedication and bottle then I don't know what is.

And if ever one was to find oneself in a foxhole then I could think of no finer men to share it with than those Mayo players of the last 20 odd years.
You would know damn well they won't cowardly slink off from a fight and a give up on a cause no matter what.

charlie14

Fair dues, ye gave that Dublin team as good a rattle as anyone has given them in a long time.I`m not being condescending or casting aspersions on any of your teams over the past decade, but if I was a Mayo man I would be looking at the future with this present team with great confidence.

I had doubts about Clarke but he was excellent. Same on midfield with Fenton and Cluxton if Mayo pushed up on Dublin kick-outs but Mayo negated both doing so.
I also had worries about Kilkenny but he was well held also. Unfortunately the introduction of Howard and Mannion and Durcan having to go off let Fenton and Kilkenny back into it. Just small margins that were no reflection of the score or the game overall.

It`s always a downer to lose, but being the resilient lot ye are and from that performance yesterday ye should be looking to the future with a damn sight more confidence than gloom today.
That was one of the finest Mayo performances I have seen in a while and those new lads are class which that experience will only bring on further.

wirelessdude01

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Ultimately,it came down to performing inthe last twenty minutes of both finals......Mayo have nothin in the tank going into the last quarter. Why is this?

Look at the respective benches, who came on and their impact on the game.

Also loosing Durcan to injury allowed Kilkenny more freedom.

We do have the playing pool to pick from that Dublin have so not having two certain starters in Harry and Doc leaves the bench even lighter.

WesternZulu

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Ultimately,it came down to performing inthe last twenty minutes of both finals......Mayo have nothin in the tank going into the last quarter. Why is this?

Because Dublin use their bench full of all-stars. I don't remember Kildare doing that in 1998.

BENDYBINN

padd b1975 wrote: »

Its hard to think of a softer AI than Galway in 98.

Thats just a fact.

They did do the business in 01 and should have won the drawn game the year before, credit where its due they were quality.

Ultimately,it came down to performing inthe last twenty minutes of both finals......Mayo have nothin in the tank going into the last quarter. Why is this?

seligehgit

Deleted User wrote: »

What a dick. Copy and paste from any other year, completely ignoring that most of the team have moved on, and of those that remain, the likes of Clarke, Barrett and KMc are hardly ever in the limelight. OShea, C OConnor and keegan are the only remaining players with any profile outside of the county

More dire clickbait that suits the largely ill informed minority that never tire of having a sneer at Mayo.Not as mean spirited as Dr. David Hickey's article yesterday.

Egos check
Celebrity Culture check
Individualistic Culture check
Chokers check

The Mayo players are a very down to earth bunch who largely shy away from any media exposure.We live within the county so I think we'd have a damned sized better insight into their personalities than these supposed scribes.

No siege mentality here but this nonsense needs to be called out for what it is.

Brass tacks is that we have been repeatedly repelled by a generation of Dublin footballers who are the greatest ever,tis our misfortune.

The vast vast majority of Mayo people are able to take their beatings with grace but not wanting to tar any particular county with a brush,magnanimity in victory for a small minority is in very short supply.

Utterly bizarre persons can not simply bask in the afterglow of their triumph.I can guarantee you Mayo people would care one penny farthing about others opinion re us if we won Sam.

Fair play to Dublin but Brolly's fawning over them is borderline embarrasssing.

No worries he has moving targets,we were his darlings at one stage.

Rant over.

padd b1975

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I'm not diminishing the success of Galway in 98, just pointing out that when it came to the final they were not up against either the best team of the decade (Kerry in the 00s), or the best team of the all time (Dublin).

Its hard to think of a softer AI than Galway in 98.

Thats just a fact.

They did do the business in 01 and should have won the drawn game the year before, credit where its due they were quality.

[Deleted User]

polarbearhead wrote: »

You cannot diminish other counties successes to excuse Mayos failures. Mayo should have at least 5 all ireland's since '89.
Galway in' 98 went to Castlebar and won against a Mayo team that had contested the 2 previous finals. Beat a heavily fancied Derry in the semi final and came from 4 points down at half time against a Kildare team who had defeated the reigning all Ireland champions in their semi. Galway then backed it up by winning again in 2001(also threw away the 2000 final)

I'm not diminishing the success of Galway in 98, just pointing out that when it came to the final they were not up against either the best team of the decade (Kerry in the 00s), or the best team of the all time (Dublin).

PressRun

There's a reason Joe Brolly barely shows his face in Castlebar tbh.

WesternZulu

polarbearhead wrote: »

You cannot diminish other counties successes to excuse Mayos failures. Mayo should have at least 5 all ireland's since '89.
Galway in' 98 went to Castlebar and won against a Mayo team that had contested the 2 previous finals. Beat a heavily fancied Derry in the semi final and came from 4 points down at half time against a Kildare team who had defeated the reigning all Ireland champions in their semi. Galway then backed it up by winning again in 2001(also threw away the 2000 final)

Let's be honest here, they were extremely lucky to come out against Mayo in 1998 with a win. If I remember correctly KMcD had a goal chance that came off the crossbar down onto the line.

They were favourites against Derry and bet a very limited Kildare team who had done very little before 1998 and did very little of note after 1998.

No one is diminishing their success though. They won and won in style in 1998. I think the point was that Mayo could really do with coming up against a Kildare or a Down in a final - i.e. counties that probably weren't expecting to get that far. Fair play to Galway, while 1998 may have been fortunate they got to another final in 2000 and won in 2001 so they were a great team. In truth I'm very jealous of what they achieved in a brief spell.

Hammer Archer

Mod: Higgins5473, don't post in the Mayo thread (or any future iterations) again.

polarbearhead

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I said earlier that this did not feel like that disappointing of a loss.

But fcuk it I'm pissed off now.

Not for this loss in particular but for the constant year after year after year year getting to finals only to be meeting the best team of a generation against you.

I know getting to finals is good and you can't win them if you're not in them, and that you have to beat the best, but for once it would be great for Mayo to catch a break and face something other than a great team in a final.

I look at Cork in 2010 as an example.
Five years in a row they lost to Kerry in either the SF or final, and then eventually with Kerry beaten in a QF they get to play and beat Down in a final.
Same goes for Galway in 98, they only had to deal with Kildare.
Even Kerry's solitary win in the 2010s did not involve them playing Dublin.

And don't any one mention. Donegal in 2012, they were a once in a generation machine.

As McStay said, we have never been favorite.

I'd just love to see some year Dublin get beaten an Mayo take advantage and win it out over someone way over their heads.

You cannot diminish other counties successes to excuse Mayos failures. Mayo should have at least 5 all ireland's since '89.
Galway in' 98 went to Castlebar and won against a Mayo team that had contested the 2 previous finals. Beat a heavily fancied Derry in the semi final and came from 4 points down at half time against a Kildare team who had defeated the reigning all Ireland champions in their semi. Galway then backed it up by winning again in 2001(also threw away the 2000 final)

Higgins5473

irishgeo wrote: »

You and brolly have no clue what goes on in the mayo squad and between the county board officials.

You nothing better to do than troll and a mayo GAA thread.

As I’ve said, tell that Brolly. You are correct, I have absolutely no clue what goes on in the Mayo squad and between the county board officials. I was not expressing an opinion I was explaining what BROLLY was SUGGESTING when the he said the players got rid of Rochford. We all clear on this now?

Higgins5473

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That’s why higgins, parsons, Boyle etc were all playing this year instead of younger lads is it

Tell that to Brolly

https://twitter.com/joebrolly1993?s=21

I was just explaining to the poster what he was suggesting in the article when he said the players got rid of Rochford.

WesternZulu

olestoepoke wrote: »

I thought he was spot on myself. Great insight, great article.

What were the insights you thought were great because from what I read it was an opinion piece rather than offering any real analysis?

crossman47

naughto wrote: »

Higgins got 5mins in the galway game parsons the same boyler hasn't being seen since march your talking through your hole

I think your sarcasm gene has taken a holiday.

WesternZulu

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Obviously any appointment or dismissal will come from the county board officially but the suggestion by Brolly is that the players have too much clout, power and influence to the point that the county board will do what they tell them to do.

I don't think there is much evidence that the players have too much power. Brolly is only trying to feed into the narrative that AOS and COC amongst others rule the roost when there is very little to suggest that's the case.

naughto

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That’s why higgins, parsons, Boyle etc were all playing this year instead of younger lads is it

Higgins got 5mins in the galway game parsons the same boyler hasn't being seen since march your talking through your hole

[Deleted User]

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Obviously any appointment or dismissal will come from the county board officially but the suggestion by Brolly is that the players have too much clout, power and influence to the point that the county board will do what they tell them to do.

That’s why higgins, parsons, Boyle etc were all playing this year instead of younger lads is it

olestoepoke

Mayo_fan wrote: »

He is living in ballina because his wife caught him cheating and threw him out. Yet he’ll print garbage each week about things like how pure Derry football is and we should all seek to live up to both theirs and his high moral and ethical standards. Two faced comes to mind

I thought he was spot on myself. Great insight, great article.

Higgins5473

WesternZulu wrote: »

Just to add to my point. The article is so ill informed that it would make you angry.

It was the county board who got rid of Rockford not the players but don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant Joe.

Obviously any appointment or dismissal will come from the county board officially but the suggestion by Brolly is that the players have too much clout, power and influence to the point that the county board will do what they tell them to do.

franklyon

Completely over the top that excuse for journalism. Going toe to toe with that Dublin team for 60 minutes before running out of steam is hardly a disgrace.

WesternZulu

WesternZulu wrote: »

That Joe Brolly article is an abomination.

I don't think there is any celebrity culture in the Mayo squad. His comments about AOS are not backed up with any evidence.

He goes on about celebrity and individuality and doesn't mention lads Bernard Brogan or MDMA who courted the media a lot more than AOS ever has.

Just to add to my point. The article is so ill informed that it would make you angry.

It was the county board who got rid of Rockford not the players but don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant Joe.