Leinster vs Northampton match thread

molloyjh wrote: »

He did look to bind and his left hand did bind on VDFs right arm. But I'm not sure that's real mitigation when there's no way that he could have made the hit without hitting VDFs head.

Precisely. The only way he could wrap was by going through VDFs head basically.

crisco10

It was so bizarre that it wasn’t even a penalty for being a bit wreckless. Think the TMO was a bit stunned too

irishbucsfan

Burkie1203 wrote: »

VDF did have his head up. And people have used that as a reason why it wasn't Woods fault.

An attempt to wrap what you? His arm around VDFs head?

There was definitely an attempt to wrap.

Yellow would have suited me

irishbucsfan wrote: »

There was definitely an attempt to wrap.

Yellow would have suited me

Doesn't matter. It was a straight shoulder to the head. Red card.

https://twitter.com/2__Stat/status/1340316093454409729?s=19

Former Former Former

It's contact to the head so should have been a red.

I wonder is the TV screen that the ref has to use a factor? It's one thing to argue yellow vs red but to see absolutely nothing?

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Burkie1203 wrote: »

Doesn't matter. It was a straight shoulder to the head. Red card.

https://twitter.com/2__Stat/status/1340316093454409729?s=19

So it’s JvdFs fault now ?! Looks like we have to add Quinlan to the list of ex players that need to sit down in remedial rules class on Monday.

It’s an illegal clear out, it’s a red card as I imagine the citing commissioner will say. Josh’s head never moves, it’s Woods fault 100% as the target area never changed. A few inches to the right and he could have attempted a clearout on Josh’s shoulder.

This ex players that don’t know the rules or can’t keep their bleeding mouths shut stuff is being a massive blight on the game. They they are throwing doubt and confusion on the rules. The rules are clear, but then you have them saying that stuff like that. Jesus wept.

Faugheen

Tim Robbins wrote: »

On the VDF head incident, it's a minimum Yellow. Only reason why it is not a Red is that you could say it is mitigated by
* an attempt to wrap
* VDF should really have his head up and his eyes focusing on what is coming at him. Everyone has a duty a care in a collision sport. To yourself and to others.

So I think if you were to ask Ref's they would go Yellow or Red. I thought it was really bizarre. With so much focus now on the risk to the head, it is not good to see this type of incident with video replays not been sanctioned.

This blaming of VDF is poisonous.

The duty of care is on Wood, not VDF, who did everything right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15ucK5FTlyM

Full match

Burkie1203 wrote: »

VDF did have his head up. And people have used that as a reason why it wasn't Woods fault.

An attempt to wrap what you? His arm around VDFs head?

It's doesn't mean it's yellow, it's more like if you are thinking red, then you ask any questions to see if there's anything to move it to yellow. That's normal ref practise.

I thought red, but someone else might think yellow and I was trying to argue why they might think that. No penalty makes no sense to me.

Tim Robbins wrote: »

It's doesn't mean it's yellow, it's more like if you are thinking red, then you ask any question to see if there's anything to move it to yellow.

I thought red, but someone else might think yellow and I was trying to argue why they might think that. No penalty makes no sense to me.

Your OP basically blamed VDF. Which frankly is utter horse**** POV. He was in a perfect position and the player coming into the ruck has the duty of care.

Its stonewall red card.

Faugheen wrote: »

This blaming of VDF is poisonous.

The duty of care is on Wood, not VDF, who did everything right.

For me, it's red because the contact with the head is just too dangerous and there is more onus on the arriving player to make sure the contact is safe as they are the faster moving object. Just like when someone is cycling or jogging on a footpath the onus is on them not to hit a pedestrian but the pedestrian should still put their head up and watch where they are going.

FACECUTTR

Burkie1203 wrote: »

VDF did have his head up. And people have used that as a reason why it wasn't Woods fault.

An attempt to wrap what you? His arm around VDFs head?

Exactly. Even if he tried to wrap it was high. By what we've seen the last few weeks it should have been red.

FACECUTTR wrote: »

Exactly. Even if he tried to wrap it was high. By what we've seen the last few weeks it should have been red.

I think if you ask 10 refs: 7 would say red, 3 yellow.

Faugheen

Tim Robbins wrote: »

I think if you ask 10 refs: 7 would say red, 3 yellow.

I’d like to see some evidence to prove you aren’t pulling those figures out of your arse.

degsie

Faugheen wrote: »

I’d like to see some evidence to prove you aren’t pulling those figures out of your arse.

Reality has been suspended for the duration of this thread.

Tim Robbins wrote: »

I think if you ask 10 refs: 7 would say red, 3 yellow.

And thats not good enough.

Pundits are feeding into this too i feel. They "games gone soft" or "red cards ruin the game" narrative from far too many former players fuels anger on social media and I reckon refs are all too aware of this now and spend too much time trying to find an easy way out.

irishbucsfan

Faugheen wrote: »

I’d like to see some evidence to prove you aren’t pulling those figures out of your arse.

He literally says it’s just what he thinks. What do you mean pulling it out of his arse?

Tim Robbins is still an active ref afaik, btw

I really don’t see what was wrong with his post at all.

Faugheen

irishbucsfan wrote: »

He literally says it’s just what he thinks. What do you mean pulling it out of his arse?

Tim Robbins is still an active ref afaik, btw

I really don’t see what was wrong with his post at all.

So he can just predict what 10 refs would do?

It’s a bollocks statement with zero basis and it’s being displayed as a fact.

Unless he can back it up, then it’s a load of horse****.

EDIT: and if he’s an active ref with an attitude that blames a player who got a shoulder to the head, then he shouldn’t ref a game again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15ucK5FTlyM

lost in all of this was a choke tackling Rhys Ruddock taking a tucked shoulder to his exposed ribs from the Northampton winger right in front of the ref, to zero reaction.

EDIT: incident occurs at game minute 49.00, video minute 59.00

Clegg

Today was probably a 6/10 performance. Thought we started well, but made a lot of uncharacteristic errors which let Northampton back in. It's encouraging that we can still raise our level when needed and put trys on the board as we saw just before half time and right after.

The pre-gane withdrawals of Doris and Byrne and the early injuries to JOB and Ringrose clearly rattled us, but we did well to recuperate eventually. Concerned with Ringrose too. He passed his HIA, but looked very subdued for the rest of the game. Baird and Josh Murphy were our best performers today. S

Starting to get concerned about all these injuries. We're down to the very bare bones in the back three and 10 looks iffy at the moment as well.

Kraftwerk

Clegg wrote: »

Today was probably a 6/10 performance. Thought we started well, but made a lot of uncharacteristic errors which let Northampton back in. It's encouraging that we can still raise our level when needed and put trys on the board as we saw just before half time and right after.

The pre-gane withdrawals of Doris and Byrne and the early injuries to JOB and Ringrose clearly rattled us, but we did well to recuperate eventually. Concerned with Ringrose too. He passed his HIA, but looked very subdued for the rest of the game. Baird and Josh Murphy were our best performers today. S

Starting to get concerned about all these injuries. We're down to the very bare bones in the back three and 10 looks iffy at the moment as well.

Surprised Ringrose didn't go off for a HIA tbh. He was fairly shook after the head clash. He was on the end of a late shoulder charge at one point too that he was slow to get up from as well as a couple tackles. Rough game back for him.

Kraftwerk

Dog Botherer wrote: »

lost in all of this was a choke tackling Rhys Ruddock taking a tucked shoulder to his exposed ribs from the Northampton winger right in front of the ref, to zero reaction.

EDIT: incident occurs at game minute 49.00, video minute 59.00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15ucK5FTlyM

This was clear as day during the game, happened right in front of the ref and was replayed immediately after. If there was a crowd there the ref wouldnt have been able ignore it. Rhys was clearly injured by it too. Spent the rest of the game nursing his ribs.

Kraftwerk wrote: »

This was clear as day during the game, happened right in front of the ref and was replayed immediately after. If there was a crowd there the ref wouldnt have been able ignore it. Rhys was clearly injured by it too. Spent the rest of the game nursing his ribs.

lucky it was only a winger, Ruddock could have been seriously hurt.

accensi0n

Dog Botherer wrote: »

lucky it was only a winger, Ruddock could have been seriously hurt.

A forward probably would'nt have done the same thing.

aloooof

Faugheen wrote: »

So he can just predict what 10 refs would do?

It’s a bollocks statement with zero basis and it’s being displayed as a fact.

It really isn’t being displayed as a fact. He even started the sentence with “I think”. That’s exactly what a prediction / opinion / speculation is.

Dubinusa

I thought that was a very poor Leinster performance. I thought they looked out of sorts and were well below normal standard.
The front row looked average at best imo and I think JGP was very poor. Roddock and Murphy were our best performers imo. The midfield was also poor, imo.
Maybe it's just me! Anyone else think we looked average?
Might be the international lads are knackered? Ringrose probably was not 100% and losing JOB. I don't think we scare anyone after that!

loads of injuries, internationals settling back in, a stubborn opponent that got their tails up with some fortunate tries, and Leinster still won by 3 scores with a bonus point. not every win is a pretty one, you take what you can get.

leakyboots

Dog Botherer wrote: »

loads of injuries, internationals settling back in, a stubborn oppoejt that got their tails up with some fortunate tries, and Leinster still won by 3 scores with a bonus point. not every win is a pretty one, you take what you can get.

I agree, some sloppy stuff but a good scoreline at the end of the day. It'll focus the minds.

How that ruck charge wasn't a red I'll never know. Bizarre.

VANG1

Bonus point win in every game, sure we’re ****e.