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The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

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There appears to be a perception that the moderators are attempting to shut down discussion of this topic and direct same off to a low traffic stickied thread.Nothing could be further from the truth.Our sole motive was to confine discussion to a single thread and prevent cross thread posting which was adversely affecting the enjoyment of fellow posters.

Can we please keep posts civil and constructive in nature.

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Enquiring

I'm disappointed that it wasn't a bigger victory for Dublin but the split gets closer. The anger that this was allowed to happen is serious now. Huge momentum behind this. Hopefully, it gets another airing on the sunday game.

TCP/IP

risteard7 wrote: »

Yeah 6million in a row, well done

Love the bitterness

Loafing Oaf

CorkRed93 wrote: »

When do Dublin fans question this nonsense ?

What should they be doing? Call for their county to be broken up?

Enquiring

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Dublin have always had multitudes than Mayo. Nothing different now than any other time.
Mayo hardly peasants putting few resources into their side.

Saying Dublin are multiple counties bla bla bla looks petty. Dublin has got much bigger in recent times but has always had far more. Its an inter county competition and the county is Dublin. If you want to split Dublin then you have to split/join a lot of other counties on top of that.

The problem is Dublin. Nothing else needs to be fixed. Population is not the main issue. It's the 2 decades of funding added to the increased sponsorship etc gained off the back of it. How many other counties are spending close to 2 million on wages and salaries? That's before you look into what's spent every year on preparing their teams. It has to end. The good news is that more and more people are realising it.

Fann Linn

max life wrote: »

The lack of interest outside Dublin speaks volumes about the state of gaa football at the moment

Haven't seen any motions raised at Congress from the other 31 counties.

ClanofLams

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Dublin have always had multitudes than Mayo. Nothing different now than any other time.
Mayo hardly peasants putting few resources into their side.

Already responded to you showing population advantage has doubled over last 100 years. Dublin was 10% of the entire island population now it’s north of 20% of the entire island population. That is a massive difference. When you add huge funding imbalances there would have to be gross incompetence involved for the result not to be domination.

Nothing against the Dublin team, brilliant footballers and athletes. It is what it is. As interest and more importantly, crowds, continue to decline GAA HQ will eventually take action. Just a matter of how many years of uncompetitive championships we have left.

vetinari

Until other counties have a backroom setup to match Dublin, they're just going to keep winning. Their fitness levels are consistently well ahead of all other teams. That's got nothing to do with skill levels.

AdrianBalboa

Buzzin’

ahnowbrowncow

TCP/IP wrote: »

Love the bitterness

No bitterness towards Dublin. They won it with the resouces available to them, fair play to them.

But there's anger and frustration at the Gaa for creating this nigh unstoppable juggernaut.

touts

CorkRed93 wrote: »

When do Dublin fans question this nonsense ? 7? 8? 10? 15 in a row? A complete disgrace whats been done to the games premier competition.

Next year when they won't be able to give away tickets to the final.

TCP/IP

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

No bitterness towards Dublin. They won it with the resouces available to them, fair play to them.

But there's anger and frustration at the Gaa for creating this nigh unstoppable juggernaut.

I think Kerry could but it up to Dublin issue is this year they went into a game thinking they had already won it and took the eye of the prize something this Dublin team never do.

risteard7

TCP/IP wrote: »

Love the bitterness

I'm just stating facts, nothing bitter about it. I think people are just bored of it now. I dont understand how you aren't

The Lost Sheep

Enquiring wrote: »

The problem is Dublin. Nothing else needs to be fixed. Population is not the main issue. It's the 2 decades of funding added to the increased sponsorship etc gained off the back of it. How many other counties are spending close to 2 million on wages and salaries? That's before you look into what's spent every year on preparing their teams. It has to end. The good news is that more and more people are realising it.

So much of the funding was getting kids to play the sport. That shouldnt ever be criticised. But it is.
Dublin have by far highest population and room for growth.
And where are you getting 2 million on wages from?

Enquiring

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

So much of the funding was getting kids to play the sport. That shouldnt ever be criticised. But it is.
Dublin have by far highest population and room for growth.
And where are you getting 2 million on wages from?

Why repeat that lie? You've been corrected on your population point a number of times, do you read other posts?

The funding was for coaches, almost 100 paid coaches while other counties had 1. The coaches worked in clubs, they were part paid by the clubs and they were employed by them. So they coached teams at clubs, they trained the trainers to up the standards, another part of their role was talent identification so they can placed on Dublin development squads which are extremely well funded also by the way.

The 4 counties in Dublin will have a higher population than nearly every county in Ireland. They have the population to compete. The 2 million is from the Dublin county board accounts from 2015 and 2016 so it's probably gone up since then. Do you know any other county spending 2 million on wages and salaries?

Beechwoodspark

Lost sheep are you aware of the basic facts or are you actively ignoring them ???

jimmytwotimes 2013

TCP/IP wrote: »

I think Kerry could but it up to Dublin issue is this year they went into a game thinking they had already won it and took the eye of the prize something this Dublin team never do.

Unless you've inside knowledge you've no idea what the mindset of the Kerry team was.

I'd argue kerry went backwards this year. The team that lined out vs. Cork only had 2 real scoring threats in Clifford and O'Shea. A negative selection given they had Spillane, O'Brien and Walsh on the bench, Geaney injured, form has deserted him and O'Donoghue just doesn't look like he'll stay fit anymore.

Kerry need to find another 3 top class forwards and give them plenty league time. They'll also have a young midfield if Moran retires. That and developing a way to stop the run.

Runs a bit deeper than clichés on attitude

The Lost Sheep

Enquiring wrote: »

Why repeat that lie? You've been corrected on your population point a number of times, do you read other posts?

The funding was for coaches, almost 100 paid coaches while other counties had 1. The coaches worked in clubs, they were part paid by the clubs and they were employed by them. So they coached teams at clubs, they trained the trainers to up the standards, another part of their role was talent identification so they can placed on Dublin development squads which are extremely well funded also by the way.

The 4 counties in Dublin will have a higher population than nearly every county in Ireland. They have the population to compete. The 2 million is from the Dublin county board accounts from 2015 and 2016 so it's probably gone up since then. Do you know any other county spending 2 million on wages and salaries?

It isnt all about population. If it was solely about playing population Tipp wouldnt have a chance in football considering the interest in most of the county. There is nothing stopping clubs and counties nationwide combining to get these development officers. Nothing. Work with sponsors or anything else to get these staff employed.

Loafing Oaf

CorkRed93 wrote: »

If they want a functioning AI in 5 years then yes.

When Kilkenny won eight hurling All Irelands in ten years not so long ago, were their fans calling for 'something to be done'? Would you expect them to ?

namloc1980

Sport without close competition and the uncertainty that anything could happen isn't worth a damn. Football championship is in a dire state.

Enquiring

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

It isnt all about population. If it was solely about playing population Tipp wouldnt have a chance in football considering the interest in most of the county. There is nothing stopping clubs and counties nationwide combining to get these development officers. Nothing. Work with sponsors or anything else to get these staff employed.

I just said that population wasn't the most important part, it was the funding but you've completely ignored that. Why is that I wonder? Your 'neutral' view on this is unravelling.

Yes, there was something stopping other counties from participating in the Dublin only development fund, that being it was a Dublin only development fund. That there was near 2 decades of that before any change was outrageous and way too late as Dublin built their sponsorship income in the mean time. This came from an increase in standards which occurred off the back of the development funding.

Enquiring

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

When Kilkenny won eight hurling All Irelands in ten years not so long ago, were their fans calling for 'something to be done'? Would you expect them to ?

Kilkenny weren't given 25 million+ to develop players and then spending millions every year on wages and team preperation.

ooter

CorkRed93 wrote: »

No because Kilkenny weren't pumped with taxpayers money

Dublin were and they can't lay a glove on Kilkenny, we'll they did one year.

theguzman

CorkRed93 wrote: »

No because Kilkenny weren't pumped with taxpayers money

Kilkenny like Kerry were pumped with sheer talent from a small population pool and from modest resources, what both counties achieved was truely special and remarkable.

Give the same level of resources to Kerry and Kilkenny and you'd have both Kerry winning the Liam McCarthy and Kilkenny with the Sam Maguire within a decade.

Take the Gooch, a gifted light lad from Killarney, he was no beefcake living in a gym eating raw Soy like a stall fed banbh, there is no skill in Dublin only sheer gym training, the same in the Limerick Hurling squad. Either it is an amateur game or not, what we have seen is nothing but cheating. That asterisk next to every Dublin victory grows bigger and bigger like the biceps for their players. Amateur teams had such gems like Seanie O'Leary an overweight Cork hurler who wouldn't get look in today, he had natural skill, these lads wouldn't get a luck in now unless they resemble some steroid driven bodybuilder.

Loafing Oaf

theguzman wrote: »

there is no skill in Dublin

Seriously?

super_furry

theguzman wrote: »

Either it is an amateur game or not, what we have seen is nothing but cheating.

So using a gym is cheating and, as you said earlier Dublin are spitting in the face of all Covid victims by winning, have I got that right?

Deusexmachina

Well done Dublin - a great team who brings the game to a different level. Those who criticise are jealous. Instead, look and learn. Aspire to reach the same level. Embrace brilliance as all true sports fans should.

Gooey Looey

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Well done Dublin - a great team who brings the game to a different level. Those who criticise are jealous. Instead, look and learn. Aspire to reach the same level. Embrace brilliance as all true sports fans should.

To reach the same level needs money!

theguzman

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Seriously?

I take that back, they have what I call a different skill-set, skilled at grabbing money, appointing their own referee's living and working in the capital, ensuring that other counties are underfunded and they themselves don't have to travel out.

The true skill of Dublin is not on the pitch but off it. The Kerry team of 2000-2009 would eat Dublin for breakfast as would Meath of the 90's and Cork of the late 80's.

super_furry

theguzman wrote: »

The Kerry team of 2000-2009 would eat Dublin for breakfast as would Meath of the 90's and Cork of the late 80's.

Well then surely there's no problem with Dublin's dominance? If, as you say Kerry teams of the past would hammer this Dublin team and Meath and Cork would do the same, then it's only a matter of time before those counties regain the standards they once had.

Good to know.

The Lost Sheep

Enquiring wrote: »

I just said that population wasn't the most important part, it was the funding but you've completely ignored that. Why is that I wonder? Your 'neutral' view on this is unravelling.

Yes, there was something stopping other counties from participating in the Dublin only development fund, that being it was a Dublin only development fund. That there was near 2 decades of that before any change was outrageous and way too late as Dublin built their sponsorship income in the mean time. This came from an increase in standards which occurred off the back of the development funding.

Well they got the funding because they have such a large population and the access/link with schools and gaa clubs isnt near the same as it is in a lot of the country.
Other counties could and should look at other areas to get development officers in place. External funding if they cant get access to that fund that dublin are using.
Majority of the development funding is going to very basics of the sport and teaching kids at the lowest level. That happens through clubs and their resources in most of country.

Im not from Dublin(ask any from rugby forum where im not regarded as Leinster or a Dub at all.....)
Should some counties get more funding in development staff etc. Of course but that shouldnt be a reason to say Dublin shouldnt have got the funding theyve got.