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El_Duderino 09

BikeRacer wrote: »

Oh the delicious irony LOL

From the Redbull website....

https://www.redbull.com/ie-en/daniel-ricciardo-and-max-verstappen-best-teammate-battles

Danny Ric - 467
Max - 392

Depends how red bull used it.
Comparing full seasons is the most sensible way to do it to compare the drivers performance against each other. Including the partial Season is fine for completion but misleading as a measure of there relative performance (which is how the poster used it above)

GarIT

flazio wrote: »

So what do you do if you're Albon now?
Hand out your CV to the local pizza shops?

Go the route of Jolean Palmer get a job as a commentator despite proving he knows less about F1 than any Aul lad sitting on his clutch watching the race on a Sunday.

BikeRacer

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I fcukin hate when people abuse stats. And you have just abused stats either through wilful ignorance or accidental.

In the two full seasons they were teammates Ric scored 200 and 170 (370)points. 168 and 249 (417)

1-1 in seasons and a small-medium points advantage to max over the two full seasons.

Max is top notch, Perez ain’t.

Oh the delicious irony LOL

From the Redbull website....

https://www.redbull.com/ie-en/daniel-ricciardo-and-max-verstappen-best-teammate-battles

Danny Ric - 467
Max - 392

El_Duderino 09

BikeRacer wrote: »

The last time Max had a decent teammate in Danny Ric, Danny beat him 467 points to 392 with Danny having 2 more mechanical DNFs than Max. I think Perez is going to run a lot closer to Max than what people think.

I fcukin hate when people abuse stats. And you have just abused stats either through wilful ignorance or accidental.

In the two full seasons they were teammates Ric scored 200 and 170 (370)points. 168 and 249 (417)

1-1 in seasons and a small-medium points advantage to max over the two full seasons.

Max is top notch, Perez ain’t.

Dont be at yourself

Albon will sit tight — there are a few paths back for him even within Red Bull.

- Perez underwhelms and only lasts a year
- Gasly continues his trajectory and replaces Ocon at Renault for 2022
- Tsunoda either ****s the bed and is out for 2022, or does very well and is promoted to RB

I think Vips is their only prospect in the junior programme currently, so he doesn’t have much competition.

PopePalpatine

^I'm sure there's a gentleman driver in the Blancpain Series who's got millions to burn on hiring someone to carry him. IIRC, Hulk had a Blancpain seat lined up this year.

GarIT wrote: »

That can't be right can it, there's only around 500 points available in a season and DR didn't win, was it that close?

DR scored more than Max over their entire stint (Spain 2016-Abu Dhabi 2018) together.

flazio

So what do you do if you're Albon now?
Hand out your CV to the local pizza shops?

GarIT

Marko has said the intention of signing Perez is to have two drivers fighting for wins.

GarIT

BikeRacer wrote: »

The last time Max had a decent teammate in Danny Ric, Danny beat him 467 points to 392 with Danny having 2 more mechanical DNFs than Max. I think Perez is going to run a lot closer to Max than what people think.

That can't be right can it, there's only around 500 points available in a season and DR didn't win, was it that close?

Hijpo

BikeRacer wrote: »

The last time Max had a decent teammate in Danny Ric, Danny beat him 467 points to 392 with Danny having 2 more mechanical DNFs than Max. I think Perez is going to run a lot closer to Max than what people think.

If Perez is allowed push him.
If Perez pushes Max its quiet possible Max will take himself out rather than Perez, we have seen his hot head get him into situations before.

With regard to Albon, I think it was all over as far back as when he made the comment that Gasly was racing him to hard.

BikeRacer

The last time Max had a decent teammate in Danny Ric, Danny beat him 467 points to 392 with Danny having 2 more mechanical DNFs than Max. I think Perez is going to run a lot closer to Max than what people think.

pjohnson

Perez job isnt to challenge Max.

You surely know this?

El_Duderino 09

TCP/IP wrote: »

Bottas is a Williams’s/Haas level of driver who lucked into the strongest package in the history of the sport hell even George Russell made a show of him. Only reason he is there is as a rear gunner for Lewis nothing more.

I think that’s hyperbole and Bottas is a middle of the road driver but definitely not amongst the worst.

Do you really think Perez is going to challenge Max in any meaningful way?

I think max will make a show* of Perez

*beat him by more than 0.002 in quali and 8 seconds over the course of a race

TCP/IP

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Is Perez better than Bottas? I don’t think here’s much in it one way or the other. I think they clearly have a 1-2.

No way Perez is a top driver or will challenge Max.

Bottas is a Williams’s/Haas level of driver who lucked into the strongest package in the history of the sport hell even George Russell made a show of him. Only reason he is there is as a rear gunner for Lewis nothing more.

El_Duderino 09

Ferrari to launch the new car at testing in Barcelona.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-sf21-name-launch-test-2021/4929456/?utm_source=RSS&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=RSS-ALL&utm_term=News&utm_content=www

El_Duderino 09

TCP/IP wrote: »

Red Bull now have the strongest driver pairing in FY 21.

At least RedBull have the balls to have two really strong drivers unlike Merc.

Really hope the strategy options it will give RedBull will make for an exciting championship as this year was a disaster.

Is Perez better than Bottas? I don’t think here’s much in it one way or the other. I think they clearly have a 1-2.

No way Perez is a top driver or will challenge Max.

dublinman1990

I saw the news about Perez on twitter. I'm happy for them in that he has a seat for 2021 onwards. Both Max & Perez could become a very competitive pair of drivers when going up against the other teams on the track. They have great ability & potential to do very well with winning races within this new partnership.

For Albon though; it's very unfortunate to hear that he lost his seat to Perez. The consequences of his performance with RB has now been brought to reality.

Being a test/reserve driver for a F1 team is an unusual experience for Albon in that he could have the opportunity to be testing newer cars that could be potentially be better than what he had driven with RB last year or it could be worse than the previous year. The level of thinking being set in his head right now is that testing any new car for RB will be a big indicator in how his future will be secure with the team from now on. He really should be able to spot the big differences with how any new car works compared to previous years because winning races really is important for their new driver partnerships that will be developed with the team into the future.

The dynamics of RB's new engine for the car for the upcoming 2022 season is an interesting thing to observe at this moment. It's seen as being really critical to how their new driver partnership can continue to win any of the new races on the championship table for the whole of that year & in subsequent years afterwards. Their ability to do this as a new look team had worked brilliantly in the past because they were 4 time F1 WC's in recent years. In hindsight; this task of trying to source a new engine for the car really should not be a hard thing to do if they want to improve their impressive record in F1 with winning even more championships under their belt. Their team should have great ability & timing in themselves to find a engine that should be able to win races for the 2022 F1 season.

If they find that their new car that is not up to scratch for 2022; will questions be asked about how it could be influenced by the decision from Honda to end their partnership with them. Time will tell if that does become the case. It would be a great shame to see RB become what Ferrari were like in 2020.

No-one working for RB or their fans will like that reputation. It's RB now to get this job done right if they want to retain 2nd or better for 2022 & beyond.

lolie

I'm happy for Perez, looking forward to see how he performs along Max.
Considering how he was shafted by the team early in the sason to finish the year with his first race win and a Red Bull seat for 2021 it turned out quite well for him.

mickdw

I dont think this is going to work out.
Perez wont compete with verstappen on outright pace so he will be relying on alternative strategy or messy races to try to bring himself into play. I could see him finishing ajead of max in maybe 2 races in a season.
I could equally see him taking out max if anywhere close off the grid.

Harika

https://mobile.twitter.com/wbuxtonofficial/status/1339991227459137538

Decision was finalized in Abu Dhabi, talks had to be ongoing for some time. Albon had three races to perform and didn't, everything after was just administration

klose

It's the right decision from red bull on the constructors side aswell as pit stratagies, albon was completely unreliable and to take a gamble on him this year could have and probably would have backfired, not nice to see him lose a seat completely but it's a cut throat business.

Harika

Way back to Albon is:
tsunoda failing
The unofficial Tsunoda/Honda/Red bull contract breaking (if there would have been no linkage the logical step would have been to bring Albon back there)
Gasly moving to Renault
Perez failing
Hamilton retiring and Verstappen being lured to Mercedes

Bad for him would be Daruvala shining in F2 next year

Adamocovic

Inquitus wrote: »

Albon sadly is shafted at this point, he is never going to get the RB seat back, so serving as their test / reserve driver is a pathway to nowhere. Perhaps he can do that for a year and hope that Kimi retires, or Alonso flops and perhaps get a chance with Alfa Romeo or less likely Renault.

If he gives it a year and no drive is forthcoming then he's going to have to go drive in a different formula and hope he gets a chance at some point in the future, he is only 24 so he does have some time on his side. It wouldn't really surprise me if we never see him on the F1 grid again, it's a ruthless sport at the end of the day!

I saw Russell posting support for him online and within the comments Martin Brundle was talking about him and the fact he’s still young.

Tagged Damon Hill mentioning that some former greats weren’t even in F1 until they were older. It’s mad how it’s changed. Hill in his 30s joining F1 would be crazy these days.

Anyone thinking Gasly getting demoted has somewhat saved his career? If Red Bull didn’t make that call we’d probably be seeing Gasly gone.

Inquitus

Adamocovic wrote: »

Anyone know what’s next for Albon? Surely won’t drop to a test or reserve driver.

Does he go to a different Motorsport? I honestly have no idea what he will do.

Mad to think nearly 200 points won over two years and potentially we may not see him anytime soon racing in F1 again.

Albon sadly is shafted at this point, he is never going to get the RB seat back, so serving as their test / reserve driver is a pathway to nowhere. Perhaps he can do that for a year and hope that Kimi retires, or Alonso flops and perhaps get a chance with Alfa Romeo or less likely Renault.

If he gives it a year and no drive is forthcoming then he's going to have to go drive in a different formula and hope he gets a chance at some point in the future, he is only 24 so he does have some time on his side. It wouldn't really surprise me if we never see him on the F1 grid again, it's a ruthless sport at the end of the day!

Adamocovic

Anyone know what’s next for Albon? Surely won’t drop to a test or reserve driver.

Does he go to a different Motorsport? I honestly have no idea what he will do.

Mad to think nearly 200 points won over two years and potentially we may not see him anytime soon racing in F1 again.

rianmcn

Also, what happens if Perez is the same gap away from Verstappen as Albon and Gasly were? Maybe the RB car has been a lot worse than Max has made it seem for the past 2 years. Maybe he's even better than we thought? Interesting season ahead, can't wait!!

rianmcn

ELM327 wrote: »

I'm not a perez fan at all, but what he brings is consistent performances.
If he finishes the majority of the races in the top 4 and within a few seconds of Verstappen, that's a success and much better than albon.

Albon wouldnt have the driving ability to be a pizza delivery driver, let alone the RB. Perez has arguably a better car next year than this year, and he still managed a win this year.

Totally agree. Essentially, RB want Perez to be Max's Bottas. Will qualify 4th and be in Merc's pit stop window so they cannot split strategies on Verstappen. And also when Max is off form or DNF's, Perez will be there to take home the podium or even more depending on the day.

chicorytip

Scott Dixon should have got the job.

quokula

Some nice driver line ups for next year now.

We've got Alonso, Vettel and Ricciardo potentially battling for best of the rest after the top two teams. We've got the Schumacher name back on the grid, which will be special even if it will be at the back. And now we've got one of the best drivers on the grid partnering Max at Red Bull.

It's a shame Bottas is still taking up the only seat on the grid that could make the championship interesting, but there will hopefully be a lot to watch going on behind that at least.

ELM327

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

If Perez struggles as well, then blame will have to go to the Red Bull car itself and how difficult it must be to drive, and also how amazing Max must be to be able to push it

I hope Perez isn't just a slight improvement on Albon, would make the move so pointless then, want to see either a proper improvement on Albon or proof that Albon and Gasly weren't the problem but instead the car is

Agree, I'd be the same on both counts