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Is this the end of Debenhams?

RGARDINR

So as the title says is this end of of Debenhams? Looking like going into administration come early next week according to news and papers. Just wondering will that be them gone or will they soldier on for a while? Have stuff ordered with them due next week so hopefully I get them. But it is a store I have always liked and hope it can carry on but highly doubtful. So what is your thoughts on it? Gone in the next few days or keep going on for a while or some miracle it survives and gets stronger? Or will this be one of the first massive store closures from Covid19? I know probably just last mail in it's coffin from it. Apologise if in wrong section as never posted much in boards before. Long time reader not poster.

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beachhead

BlondeBomb wrote: »

I wondered about that too.

What stores still have stock - I know a few were emptied.

I’m not sure why the Government should be forced to pay them what they think they are owed. They got their statutory redundancy.

NO stat redund has been paid.Debs liquidator does not have enough ready cash for that

beachhead

Debenhams online? Give yourself a break,Its an english company.It will turn into another Littlewoodsireland.ie where you order stuff and it never arrives and you tear your hair trying to get a refund

BlondeBomb

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If the strike is an official protest, are the strikers getting unemployment benefit?

I wondered about that too.

What stores still have stock - I know a few were emptied.

I’m not sure why the Government should be forced to pay them what they think they are owed. They got their statutory redundancy.

rolling boh

I think holding out for some miracle better deal was very short sighted have made a lot of themselves unemployable now .Unfortunately all retail jobs are not so secure now so people should do their best to up skill or else face a lot of financial uncertainty .

[Deleted User]

Still striking. Really greedy now. They want money, not the chance to upskill! Less than half of the former workers voted.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40206314.html

CrabRevolution

Deleted User wrote: »

The original deal was for an earlier round of redundancies. It was no longer on the table. So, B didn’t shirk on any deal. Just a few greedy people with a misplaced sense of entitlement.

Yeah my original post included "shirks/goes bankrupt etc." to cover all bases but I deleted it to simplify. Either way they feel that since they didn't get what they want off Debenhams, the government have a duty to give it to them.

[Deleted User]

If the strike is an official protest, are the strikers getting unemployment benefit?

GerardKeating

yaknowski wrote: »

debenhams.ie is still in operation.

Closing down sale now on.

Also mentioned on the site today

URGENT! This website will be temporarily closing at Midnight, use your gift cards today. .

[Deleted User]

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Where is this notion coming from that if A makes a contract with B and B shirks on the deal, it's immediately incumbent on the state to pay A what B would have owed them?

The state had nothing to do with Debenhams and their employees, why should they for no reason start paying the former Debenhams workers above and beyond what other unemployed citizens are given?

The original deal was for an earlier round of redundancies. It was no longer on the table. So, B didn’t shirk on any deal. Just a few greedy people with a misplaced sense of entitlement.

rolling boh

Yeah I am sorry to see the shop gone and it's tough on the staff but unfortunately the same has happened to plenty of others and will happen again .Anything in retail is vulnerable these days so regrettably jobs are not fully secure nowadays .

CrabRevolution

Deleted User wrote: »

Former workers still trying to flog a dead horse. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40191909.html

Where is this notion coming from that if A makes a contract with B and B shirks on the deal, it's immediately incumbent on the state to pay A what B would have owed them?

The state had nothing to do with Debenhams and their employees, why should they for no reason start paying the former Debenhams workers above and beyond what other unemployed citizens are given?

RGARDINR

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Former workers still trying to flog a dead horse. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40191909.html

Yeah madness was never going to end well for them sadly. I think I saw that 4 of the Irish debenhams stores that the stock has already been removed. Shame not sold to the public at the time, end up in tkmax etc. I have still bought online from them and latest was last night I know staff said not to do this but....... I really did like debenhams and staff who worked there were A+

[Deleted User]

Former workers still trying to flog a dead horse. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40191909.html

RGARDINR

Deleted User wrote: »

Debenhams gone in uk now too https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Yup say they will make it to January anyhow with winding the business down.

[Deleted User]

Debenhams gone in uk now too https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

RGARDINR

Yeah good stuff on their website. I do miss the store. Wouldn't of minded going in if they had of been selling the stock in their stores to the public in a big liquidation sale.

StackSteevens

yaknowski wrote: »

debenhams.ie is still in operation.

Many thanks for the heads up, yaknowall!

Some good bargains there - I've just bought some really good stuff - and free delivery too!

C3PO

yaknowski wrote: »

debenhams.ie is still in operation. The Irish gov should threaten to block access to the domain unless they pay over anything that is due to the ex-staff.

But that's the point - there is nothing due to the ex-staff!

yaknowski

debenhams.ie is still in operation. The Irish gov should threaten to block access to the domain unless they pay over anything that is due to the ex-staff.

StackSteevens

Deleted User wrote: »

If it was such a good deal, why didn’t they take it back then?

Probably because Debenhams Ireland were such a good employer. Decent local management, good commission rates and excellent working terms and conditions. Of course, as soon as the UK pulled the plug the whole narrative changed.

It's the liquidators that I feel sorry for - getting all of the abuse because they have been tasked with cleaning up someone else's mess, while having to ensure that they abide by the law. The costs of yesterday's court action can only come from the funds available - meaning there's less in the pot to pay the creditors.

[Deleted User]

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Union not for turning apparently.

https://www.facebook.com/113857976970300/posts/188472379508859/?sfnsn=mo

It will be interesting to see how many turn out to support them, seeing as so few actual workers have to date. Most have gained other employment since being made redundant.

They claim that they are entitled to the 4 weeks redundancy per year of employment as previously agreed. That would be ok if the business was still trading. It isn’t. If it was such a good deal, why didn’t they take it back then? The business has been struggling for years. It cannot have been a surprise to them.

[Deleted User]

Union not for turning apparently.

https://www.facebook.com/113857976970300/posts/188472379508859/?sfnsn=mo

StackSteevens

Deleted User wrote: »

Liquidators granted an injunction against protesters.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/1013/1171266-debenhams-injunction/

Trade union representative, Carole Bridgeman, who worked at the Mahon Point store in Cork for 15 years, denied the protests by workers at various stores were unlawful.

However, under questioning from Judge Leonie Reynolds, she accepted she had been involved in an unlawful occupation of a store on Patrick Street in Cork

Unsurprisingly, Ms. Bridgeman's statement was "...supported by Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald as well as TDs, Brid Smith and Mick Barry."

For any other wannabe Taoiseach, supporting lawbreakers would be a blot on their copybook, but for Mary-Lou and her supporters it's probably a badge of honour.

[Deleted User]

Liquidators granted an injunction against protesters.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/1013/1171266-debenhams-injunction/

RGARDINR

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Online or TK MAXX

Just wouldn't be debenhams online as they don't own the stock now

[Deleted User]

RGARDINR wrote: »

If they eventually get the stock out where exactly do they sell it? I mean say for example all kids clothes or all the toys are they just shipped off somewhere in a sold lot or do people get a chance to buy same?

Online or TK MAXX

RGARDINR

If they eventually get the stock out where exactly do they sell it? I mean say for example all kids clothes or all the toys are they just shipped off somewhere in a sold lot or do people get a chance to buy same?

L1011

Its deeply questionable whether opening stores to sell off the stock would cover costs with reduced footfall these days. The stock wasn't selling to begin with - Debenhams had not kept up with fashion and that's a major reason they were in trouble to begin with - and is now even further out of date.

The comparisons that some of them are making to Clerys are not valid. Clerys was a sort-of viable business, wasn't stuck in a death spiral and the new owner had lots and lots of cash. They got money in the end due to that.

StackSteevens

Deleted User wrote: »

Murphy and his ilk have a lot to answer for. Reading his social media posts, you’d think that the strikers were left high and dry. Not so. They got their redundancy, wages owed and holiday pay.

As you rightly say, they’re only making themselves unemployable by their actions but are too stupid to see it. The stock they claim to be guarding is now out of date and worthless.

Back in the day, Charlie Haughey had a way of handling difficult strikes - using taxpayers' money, naturally!

In the early 1980's a motor factory in Santry (CJH's constituency) was in the process of being closed down so there was a bitter strike and the workers occupied the factory (it's now the back of Santry Garda Station).

Haughey was under huge pressure from the workers and the Unions and he decided that the best solution would be to import all of the strikers into the civil service! Which he did - and they all lived happily ever after (and never worked again!)

I bet Meehawl wishes that he could pull the same stroke!

[Deleted User]

StackSteevens wrote: »

For me the real tragedy is that, misled by cyncial fraudsters like Paul Murphy - someone who will never face life on the dole - the workers' actions have probably ensured that they'll never find employment in the retail sector for the rest of their working lives.

The second tragedy is that they don't seem smart enough to realise that they've being misled and used for political purposes.

Murphy and his ilk have a lot to answer for. Reading his social media posts, you’d think that the strikers were left high and dry. Not so. They got their redundancy, wages owed and holiday pay.

As you rightly say, they’re only making themselves unemployable by their actions but are too stupid to see it. The stock they claim to be guarding is now out of date and worthless.