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Store Lambs

Cavanshooter

Hi, I was thinking of buying around 30 store lambs. I have 12 acres well fenced for them. When would be the best time to buy and how much would i be paying. Also what weight and breed would be the best. thank you.

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razor8

dodo mommy wrote: »

Afternoon all,
I wouldn't be too used of finishing lambs , so I was wondering how much nut per head should they be getting, they are out on good grass been fed from throughs.

When do you aim to sell them?

leoch

Does anybody here put out mineral lick buckets or rock salt for ram lambs when feeding alot of meal to make them drink more water and help the build up of calcium stones

J.O. Farmer

leoch wrote: »

Does anybody here put out mineral lick buckets or rock salt for ram lambs when feeding alot of meal to make them drink more water and help the build up of calcium stones

There should be no need if feeding a lamb finishing ration. They should be formulated to minimise this risk. It should also include all the minerals required.

The risk of urinary calculi would be feeding high levels of a ewe and lamb ration to male sheep.

memorystick

How much would a lamb eat ad-lib?

orm0nd

memorystick wrote: »

How much would a lamb eat ad-lib?

at current meal prices more than financially viable

memorystick

orm0nd wrote: »

at current meal prices more than financially viable

They’re getting half a kg each. €10 per day for meal for 53 lambs. Going to feed for 2 months.

wrangler

memorystick wrote: »

They’re getting half a kg each. €10 per day for meal for 53 lambs. Going to feed for 2 months.

Where are you paying that, I bought lamb finisher yesterday for €8.10, will probably finish at less than €8 when I pay my bill

memorystick

wrangler wrote: »

Where are you paying that, I bought lamb finisher yesterday for €8.10, will probably finish at less than €8 when I pay my bill

It’s Connolly number 3. It’s a nice cooked ration. My neighbour is paying €11 for a maize nut for his. Am I being rode again?

charolais0153

memorystick wrote: »

It’s Connolly number 3. It’s a nice cooked ration. My neighbour is paying €11 for a maize nut for his. Am I being rode again?

They don't need that, a simple intensive lamb nut will do

kk.man

memorystick wrote: »

It’s Connolly number 3. It’s a nice cooked ration. My neighbour is paying €11 for a maize nut for his. Am I being rode again?

That's the Rolls Rice of feed but as other poster says you could get a cheaper ration just pay attention to the ingredients.

wrangler

memorystick wrote: »

They’re getting half a kg each. €10 per day for meal for 53 lambs. Going to feed for 2 months.

Unless you've good grass, which nearly no one has , half a kilo isn't enough.
Bad weather is against lambs at the moment, without grass they'd be only holding their own on half a kilo

orm0nd

orm0nd wrote: »

at current meal prices more than financially viable

OK when I posted this earlier I suppose i was still a bit fired up after being pricing feed for the coming couple of months. Apparently p costs have rocketed and any high energy high p nut is up on average 30 euro/ton on last year. Although I hope to get this back a bit.

Kinda takes some of the gloss off the good prices we've been getting.

Feeding a few culls and late lambs here a bit less than a kg/day of a finisher ration costing 8.50 a bag. They have access to silage ad lib as well.

memorystick

They have grass but it’s getting very wet. They also have access to silage and a dry shed. They’ve been on meal now for 2 weeks. I’ll work towards 2 bags per day from Jan 1. They’re well dosed and very clean. Only a couple still lame. The meal is super quality and they love it. Would a creep feeder be a good investment and feed them ad-lib?

Green farmer

Coincidential rations have gone up at the same time sheep are going well.

wrangler

memorystick wrote: »

They have grass but it’s getting very wet. They also have access to silage and a dry shed. They’ve been on meal now for 2 weeks. I’ll work towards 2 bags per day from Jan 1. They’re well dosed and very clean. Only a couple still lame. The meal is super quality and they love it. Would a creep feeder be a good investment and feed them ad-lib?

It's difficult to change them to a creep feeder once they're on troughs, very difficult to stop them sickening themselves, which doesn't seem to happen if they're on a creep feeder from the start. maybe others have a different experience ???
If you go over .5kg in troughs they'll need to be fed twice a day, .5kg is enough in a feed

memorystick

wrangler wrote: »

It's difficult to change them to a creep feeder once they're on troughs, very difficult to stop them sickening themselves, which doesn't seem to happen if they're on a creep feeder from the start. maybe others have a different experience ???
If you go over .5kg in troughs they'll need to be fed twice a day, .5kg is enough in a feed

I work and only get out in the evenings. Don’t live on the farm either. Would they not go and come back during the day? It’s that what they do with creep feeders?

Green farmer

memorystick wrote: »

It’s Connolly number 3. It’s a nice cooked ration. My neighbour is paying €11 for a maize nut for his. Am I being rode again?

Rations containing maize are so expensive and the rolls royce of finishers when Straight 100% maize meal is bought for €6.65 a bag.

weatherbyfoxer

memorystick wrote: »

How much would a lamb eat ad-lib?

scotch ram lambs here are eating 1.2kg per day and gaining 220 grams a day in weight..lamb nuts are costing €250 per ton but was told next load are up €10

razor8

memorystick wrote: »

How much would a lamb eat ad-lib?

When on it awhile lambs can eat up from 1.5 to 2 kgs a day. Anything over 1.25 in my opinion is of no benefit.

You wouldn’t want to put light lambs on ad-lib or they rob you, after about 6 weeks they just stall on it & very hard to lift them

kk.man

wrangler wrote: »

It's difficult to change them to a creep feeder once they're on troughs, very difficult to stop them sickening themselves, which doesn't seem to happen if they're on a creep feeder from the start. maybe others have a different experience ???
If you go over .5kg in troughs they'll need to be fed twice a day, .5kg is enough in a feed

I did that last year nearly lost 4 or 5.

wrangler

kk.man wrote: »

I did that last year nearly lost 4 or 5.

The advantage feeder is the job for the part time farmer,
For changing from a trough it has the facility to restrict them and then gradually open the gap that they're eating out of over a couple weeks.
If they're being trough fed they learn to eat as fast as they can to get more than the next lamb and then when they get a creep feeder they do the same, then they're sick.

dodo mommy

razor8 wrote: »

When do you aim to sell them?

They weigh between 38-43kg so I will sell them as they become ready.

memorystick

Could someone recommend a suitable creep feeder for hoggets? How does it restrict meal to each lamb?

Dinzee Conlee

memorystick wrote: »

Could someone recommend a suitable creep feeder for hoggets? How does it restrict meal to each lamb?

I'm at a similar game to yourself Memory - I just got a new creep feeder, the advantage one.
There is another thread on here named 3in1 feeder I think, have a read of that...

wrangler

memorystick wrote: »

Could someone recommend a suitable creep feeder for hoggets? How does it restrict meal to each lamb?

The lambs have to reach to the feed with their tongue and take it in by the feed sticking to their tongue. Eventually the tongue gets dry and won't lift the feed and they have to go off and graze to wet the tongue again.
The more the feed is restricted, the quicker the tongue dries and they eat less

One thing is very noticeable, with an ordinary creep feeder the lambs are always lying around the creep feeder but you'll seldom see them lying around the advantage feeder

wrangler

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I'm at a similar game to yourself Memory - I just got a new creep feeder, the advantage one.
There is another thread on here named 3in1 feeder I think, have a read of that...

Which one did you buy

foxirl

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I'm at a similar game to yourself Memory - I just got a new creep feeder, the advantage one.
There is another thread on here named 3in1 feeder I think, have a read of that...

Did you go 500 or 800 and what's your impression of it? How are the lambs adjusting to it?

wrangler

memorystick wrote: »

It’s Connolly number 3. It’s a nice cooked ration. My neighbour is paying €11 for a maize nut for his. Am I being rode again?

My ration is good enough, maize is first on the list of ingredients, then barley, beetpulp, wheat, oats, gluten and soya, very little rubbish in it and high energy.
15% protein

arctictree

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

scotch ram lambs here are eating 1.2kg per day and gaining 220 grams a day in weight..lamb nuts are costing €250 per ton but was told next load are up €10

Doing some quick calculations:

Every 1 Kilo weight gain is probably about 4 euro from the Mart/Factory.

Takes 1/.22 = 4.54 days to gain a kilo. So thats 1.2kg x 4.54 = 5.448kg of meal needed to gain a kilo. Costs 0.25 euro for a kilo of meal, so thats 1.36 euro.

So costs 1.36 euro to get a return of 4 euro. Makes a lot of sense to throw meal into them now as opposed to selling them light....

Green farmer

arctictree wrote: »

Doing some quick calculations:

Every 1 Kilo weight gain is probably about 4 euro from the Mart/Factory.

...

Is that live weight or dead weight gain ?