biko wrote: » Do you mean how many of the 20% of the population born outside Ireland are now Irish (have acquired an Irish passport)? Or maybe born in America with an Irish passport and have moved here? Unclear questions gets unclear answers.
biko wrote: » You can see my numbers above. Do the calculations. I assume by "Irish" you mean "has Irish passport".
bubblypop wrote: » Looks like a large percentage. How many are Irish though?
Wibbs wrote: » I'd see it as more the other way around K. Rather than the politicians and civil service implementing anything it was much more a case of it happening because of the birthright loophole and the celtic tiger and latterly the EU opening her gates to "refugees" and the government having to react to it and not quite knowing how.
Kivaro wrote: » With 20% of our population born outside the country,
Wibbs wrote: » Russia had neither. Indeed during communism and just after the fall of same far more wanted to leave than wanted to go there. They've not had to deal with multiculturalism because of that. If in ten years Russia was one of the richest nations on earth and weren't proactive with their borders they'd be dealing with the same problems too. So Putin claiming any sort of foresight and insight around multiculturalism is up there with a man claiming he knows what pregnancy and birth is like.
Kivaro wrote: » Self-evolving multiculturalism should have been Ireland's approach, instead of the hasty forced (contrived) method that the country's politicians and civil service implemented in the last 20 or so years.
John Doe1 wrote: » So I guess we won’t be able to discuss this topic soon.....
WrenBoy wrote: » She's also had a short stint as an influential art critic.
Sardonicat wrote: » Actually, ifint give a sh1t, one way or another.Ehat I want its i9 year old Dad to be vaccinated and enough if the population protected from the virus so services can reopen,so, as a carer, I can have a break for the first time since March.
If those most likely to spread it to me, to you, to the care staff in the day centre are targeted with the vaccine then that's fine by me. I prefer to listen to those with expertise in the area.
[Deleted User] wrote: » How about we prioritize those who make the most difference to the economy? Offices were shown to be susceptible to the spread of the virus, especially the larger open floor plans favored by the bigger companies. By getting people back into work, we cut down the costs to the state, increase tax revenues, etc etc.. Or we prioritize people who don't contribute much to the economy. You see, I don't accept that these migrants are the most at risk. I'd like them to be deported because they're undocumented migrants, here illegally. Simple enough. I'd love for it to happen, but it won't. Deporting these migrants won't make a difference to the problems with international travel. As things stand nobody has a vaccine, so it's not like we're seeking to infect any country. It's a simple enough procedure to determine if people are infected anyway, so we can still deport those who are healthy. You really want these migrants to stay in Ireland. Why?
Sardonicat wrote: » How about targeting those most st risk of getting and spreading it so it gets is done to zero COVID faster.
You don't have to let those deported back in for them to spread it internationally, in transit etc.
I take it you'd like international travel to resume quickly?
And while we are waiting to deport all these people are we going to hold them in one massive centre? Deport them all on the same day or just let the virus keep doing the rounds till they're all gone, back to wherever they come from, unvaccinated ready to infect their populations which will, sooner rather than later, find its way back to us here. Or we can quickly vaccinate them here and eliminate a major contributor to the spread of the virus.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Oh, I understand quite a lot. Like wearing adequate face masks, regular washing of hands, good ventilation of small areas, etc. You can still minimize the risks involved. I know people whose partner got covid, they shared the same living areas, ate in proximity to each other, and the virus didn't spread. Strange that, no? First off, the comment about deporting people from nursing homes is dramatic crap, and if you really want me to respect your opinions, leave out the juvenile point scoring. Secondly, there's been little hard research done on the manner in which the virus spread in the meat packing plants. Just plenty of assumptions. Third, if we deport them, they're not getting back in because they've already broken our immigration laws once. Hence, they're not the kind of people we really want here.. no? After all, I assume you want people to respect our laws, and culture? Eradicate? Err.. I suspect you have a much different perception of what covid is, and what a possible vaccine represents. In any case, that's for the covid threads, and not for this one.
whysobecause wrote: » Has Ebun Joseph every had a real job, meaning a job that is not a government or government retaliated job.
Sardonicat wrote: » You understand the 2 metre distance rule? The need to self isolate if a infected or a contact? Bit hard to do either when you sleep several to a room and are sharing living spaces for eating etc.
You heard of the outbreaks in Nursing homes? Should we deport the residents? Direct provision centres? Meat packing plants? If you deport them you are just deporting the virus and waiting to import it again.
Better to try and eradicate it quickly and you do this by targeting those most at risk if catching and spreading to multiple people.
Gervais08 wrote: » Technically yes, she works as a - don’t laugh - student careers advisor.
[Deleted User] wrote: » And based on past experiences of the virus, do we have any evidence that this is the case, as opposed to those people involved not taking precautions? A vaccine doesn't mean that people will become entirely immune.. if they're not taking the required precautions, a vaccine will be of limited value. TBH it makes more sense to simply deport them.
SixtaWalthers wrote: » Still, I strongly disagree that multiculturalism and immigration is the same thing.
SixtaWalthers wrote: » No doubt, skilled labour, high-efficiency rate, creativity, improved regional trade features and more respect among communities are benefits of multiculturalism.
Sardonicat wrote: » By vaccinating people who live in very close proximity in conditions where they cannot socially distance you are reducing the risk of an outbreak that will spread to the wider community. Its not prioritising people, its slowing and reducing the spread of the virus by targettibg environments where it spreads rapidly and puts the wider community at risk.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Why? Once again, why make foreigners (who are breaking our immigration laws) a priority over Irish people? Any vaccine that comes to Ireland will be in short supply for ages (the richer countries will have first dibbs).. doesn't it make more sense to help those who contribute the most? (since they're paying for the vaccine)
goose2005 wrote: » I don't know, the news says 17,000 so the real figure is probably more like 50,000. Most live in cramped urban settings and work in service jobs, so i think they possibly should be a priority
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Not a hope everybody will be vaccinated If they are removed from the country it won't matter if they are vaccinated or not If they are hiding from the authorities they shouldn't be here How many do you think there are?
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