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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

RyanthePirate

I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

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[Deleted User]

goose2005 wrote: »

tbh this is sensible, the virus doesn't know if someone is a citizen or not and everyone needs to be vaccinated for herd immunity to work.

For the entire (registered) population of Ireland to be vaccinated, it would likely take a rather long time (like 6 mths to a year), considering supply/stocks of the vaccine, whenever it does arrive. It's entirely too early to be taking any comfort in the idea of herd immunity acquired through the distribution of a vaccine.

In any case, if immigrants have been dodging the government bodies for this long, it's unlikely such an initiative would work. It's more likely that it'll be distributed, and those migrants can acquire it third party.

Still, I'm always amazed at the willingness to put foreigners interests ahead of Irish people.. considering that we should be wanting Irish people to be vaccinated first. But nope.

Gervais08

whysobecause wrote: »

Has Ebun Joseph every had a real job, meaning a job that is not a government or government retaliated job.

Technically yes, she works as a - don’t laugh - student careers advisor.

ExMachina1000

goose2005 wrote: »

tbh this is sensible, the virus doesn't know if someone is a citizen or not and everyone needs to be vaccinated for herd immunity to work.

Not a hope everybody will be vaccinated

If they are removed from the country it won't matter if they are vaccinated or not

If they are hiding from the authorities they shouldn't be here

How many do you think there are?

goose2005

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/HMcEntee/status/1336677899953459204?s=20

Great news

tbh this is sensible, the virus doesn't know if someone is a citizen or not and everyone needs to be vaccinated for herd immunity to work.

Arthur Daley

Rodin wrote: »

Probably gave them a Christmas bonus too.

The Leftie-Leaders are a disgrace and the people who follow them mere sheep.
We need a centre-right party here.

Yeah, even a party right of centre would be a healthy thing. In reality we know that there is a fag paper between Sinn Fein, FF and FG no matter what they say, or what image they try to project. Their track records prove it.

Rodin

Deleted User wrote: »

Because laws don't matter when people are in need.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we find out at some stage, that housing/financial supports had been provided, by the government, to people who are not in DP, and are clearly illegal/undocumented immigrants.

Laws only matter when you're a citizen and a taxpayer.

Probably gave them a Christmas bonus too.

The Leftie-Leaders are a disgrace and the people who follow them mere sheep.
We need a centre-right party here.

[Deleted User]

Rodin wrote: »

By 'compassionate', read 'soft'.

Why would you be compassionate towards someone for whom it was decided they'd no legal right to be here?

Because laws don't matter when people are in need.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we find out at some stage, that housing/financial supports had been provided, by the government, to people who are not in DP, and are clearly illegal/undocumented immigrants.

Laws only matter when you're a citizen and a taxpayer.

ExMachina1000

Eric Cartman wrote: »

It would have been a perfect time to catch a load of illegal migrants. I never thought id ever hope a politician was telling lies until now.

They wont tell the immigration authorities. This is from the justice department. They are the immigration authorities!

Rodin

Eric Cartman wrote: »

It would have been a perfect time to catch a load of illegal migrants. I never thought id ever hope a politician was telling lies until now.

By 'compassionate', read 'soft'.

Why would you be compassionate towards someone for whom it was decided they'd no legal right to be here?

Eric Cartman

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/HMcEntee/status/1336677899953459204?s=20

Great news

It would have been a perfect time to catch a load of illegal migrants. I never thought id ever hope a politician was telling lies until now.

ExMachina1000

https://twitter.com/HMcEntee/status/1336677899953459204?s=20

Great news

[Deleted User]

whysobecause wrote: »

I have a cousin in America, her grandmother was from Ireland, she got a Irish passport for safety reasons. Her America based job took her around the world, traveling under a Irish passport was better than a US one, especial in countries in the Middle East.

I have an American friend who I met in China, with whom I tend to travel with. He's one of those Americans who is very proud of his heritage. Very proud. A fifth Cherokee Indian, a fifth German, A fifth Jewish, a fifth African American, and a fifth Scottish.. Yup, I've heard him bring up his heritage many times, and he tends to shift association with them depending on the situation. US passport. He'll meet people and he'll say he's <whatever> but yes, he's American. In a pinch. And he's very quick to push the prestige and power of being an American citizen.

The problem is that I have no interest in traveling west, so we tend to travel east. Asia, Africa, Russia, etc. This is where my interest rests, and we usually do weekenders, or longer stints hitting the 1st/2nd tier cities and some countryside in various countries. I did a couple of trips to the M.East, but he didn't join me, except for Israel.. because their department of foreign affairs recommended him not to go. Fair enough.

My passport/citizenship has opened so many doors to me. Everyone loves the Irish. We fit the bill for so many situations. We drink, so we can relax in almost any situation. We have a history of being very devout, so we get some respect from everyone that way. We have a reputation for brawling, so we get some respect, even when there's no actual hostility involved. And oddly enough, our peacekeeping contributions have gained us a huge amount of respect. It's a great reputation we have.. Oh, and for those here who hate the RCC... I've lost count of the number of people who have helped me because they encountered a priest/nun from Ireland, and they wanted to help someone from that country (this was mostly in Africa).

Whereas with my friend, I've had to try bail him out of so many situations because he's American. The associations are mostly negative. Oh, there's some respect for being the worlds superpower, and the perception of being a rich country, but, God, they can receive so much hostility and distrust, just for their allegiance to the US.

He's been brought in for questioning over spying on more than one occasion. So have I, but... it's easy to laugh off the idea of Ireland having a spy operation, when you point out the size of our military. Not so easy for him to explain it away.. although I've found that traveling together, my own citizenship provides a bubble somewhat for him.

I find that the people who don't value citizenship, have never really traveled outside of western nations. They don't really appreciate the doors that can be opened or closed based on the perceptions of low level officials, who might have heard of your country (I've known many people who had never even heard of Ireland, but loved Riverdance...) And having an EU passport has helped a lot in recent years, especially in China. The EU has some decent influence abroad, and the perception of being part of it, can be a nice piece of influence to dangle in negotiations when you're dealing with something political.

I think people need to travel more outside of western nations, and I don't mean a sun/lads holiday. You'll quickly appreciate your citizenship when you run into some difficulties, like stumbling into a missile launch facility, by accident. (No signs, just perfect roads, and loads of cameras in the middle of nowhere.... how were we supposed to know?)

Eric Cartman

whysobecause wrote: »

Has Ebun Joseph every had a real job, meaning a job that is not a government or government retaliated job.

Not to my knowledge, it seems hating the native white Irish has been her only profession.

whysobecause

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Back on topic before one poster gets this thread shut down with their insane ramblings.

I see over the last week Irelands professional racist Ebun Joseph has been doing zoom calls with college students across the land about ‘critical race theory’ . Why are we allowing this racist influence our youth and teach them absolute nonsense

Has Ebun Joseph every had a real job, meaning a job that is not a government or government retaliated job.

whysobecause

Deleted User wrote: »

For the very reason you raised. To have a voice in how the country is run. Citizenship. It's important. Hence the discussion at hand.

And... it's not huge money. It's about 1k euro for the certificate, so.. say about 2k after all the paperwork, solicitor fees etc are done.

So, you believe that anyone, at all, if they are in a country, should be able to vote in elections?

Citizenship carries protections too. Holding an Irish passport, and being Irish, is of tremendous benefit while living abroad, due to the general reputation of the country.

Now... this was particularly dishonest/misleading of you.. You stated earlier that you were in Ireland for 30 years, which suggested (considering the context of the discussion) that you were not a native Irish person. Hence taking the view of someone who was in Ireland, but not Irish, and contributing their views of immigration in Ireland.

You misunderstood, or misinterpreted Hamachi's post. I don't know whether it was intentional, or a mistake, but you've decided to double down since then. Why? Why not admit you misunderstood, rather than pushing something that you have no personal investment in? Just seems strange.

I have a cousin in America, her grandmother was from Ireland, she got a Irish passport for safety reasons. Her America based job took her around the world, traveling under a Irish passport was better than a US one, especial in countries in the Middle East.

[Deleted User]

Granadino wrote: »

Good point. Why can't we mimic our EU neighbours?

We are.. but as Wibbs pointed out, we have a greater connection with the UK/US. I put it down to language, since I've rarely heard French/German/Spanish music here, whereas you'll find all the UK/US music easily available. Funnily enough, my parents have reams of music from European countries.. so it seems we used to have a greater exchange of culture with Europe, than we have today.

[Deleted User]

Wibbs wrote: »

In culture, history, economics and and language we're far closer to London and Washington than Paris or Berlin.

I think people forget the importance of language. We shared our media with both the US and the UK, from TV to music, and a lot of culture is passed around through the following of those expressions. Whether it's the punk culture, the grunge culture, rock n roll, etc. All of which had a strong influence over the development of youth culture, which, in turn, affected how society at most levels evolved.

All the same with the creation of the EU, and greater migration of EU citizens we're seeing a greater amount of exchange happening. The last few times I walked around Dublin or Galway, I noticed far more "continental" behavior as opposed to the more gloomy aspects of the British, which I often associated with Ireland.

It's one of the reasons I support our participation in the EU so much. If we can move away from the UK/US as our main source of culture, and approach to values, and form better connections with our European neighbors, I think Irish people will be much happier. Although, I have to admit that opinion is based on Europe of the last two decades, rather than what Europe might evolve into.

I was in France last year, and I didn't like the fear/suspicion which could be found in most towns (I tend to avoid cities in France).

Wibbs

Granadino wrote: »

Good point. Why can't we mimic our EU neighbours?

In culture, history, economics and and language we're far closer to London and Washington than Paris or Berlin.

Granadino

Deleted User wrote: »

Because it's been fashionably embraced by other countries. God knows, Ireland has to follow in step with others. When I was young, the belief was that we were 5-10 years behind the UK, and that we'd mimic whatever they did. Now the UK is pretty much out of the picture, we've moved to mimic the US.. sucking up to the nation of the multinational companies, and the source of all this woke nonsense.

It doesn't matter that the US is tearing itself apart due to their particular promotion of diversity. It doesn't matter that debt financing has created a massive financial/economic bubble. It doesn't matter that their politics are corrupt as F. We're going to follow them.. Yay.

Good point. Why can't we mimic our EU neighbours?

ExMachina1000

Wrong poster was thread banned.

Marcos

I think that certain people on here would be only too happy to shut down any threads like this, because as has been shown so many times on here, they have no counter arguments. So please be aware of this and don't fall for it.

[Deleted User]

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Back on topic before one poster gets this thread shut down with their insane ramblings.

I see over the last week Irelands professional racist Ebun Joseph has been doing zoom calls with college students across the land about ‘critical race theory’ . Why are we allowing this racist influence our youth and teach them absolute nonsense

Because it's been fashionably embraced by other countries. God knows, Ireland has to follow in step with others. When I was young, the belief was that we were 5-10 years behind the UK, and that we'd mimic whatever they did. Now the UK is pretty much out of the picture, we've moved to mimic the US.. sucking up to the nation of the multinational companies, and the source of all this woke nonsense.

It doesn't matter that the US is tearing itself apart due to their particular promotion of diversity. It doesn't matter that debt financing has created a massive financial/economic bubble. It doesn't matter that their politics are corrupt as F. We're going to follow them.. Yay.

Eric Cartman

Back on topic before one poster gets this thread shut down with their insane ramblings.

I see over the last week Irelands professional racist Ebun Joseph has been doing zoom calls with college students across the land about ‘critical race theory’ . Why are we allowing this racist influence our youth and teach them absolute nonsense

Tipperary animal lover

Necro wrote: »

Mod:

Threadbanned

And there you go, they'll rile you up and get you banned, common occurrence on these threads, drag the thread else where, try get it closed, shut it down at all costs, better off not engaging, its going that way on another thread also, sure we're all racists anyway so why debate!!

Necro

Hamachi wrote: »

You’re not making any sense sweetheart. I’m out for tonight.

Good night folks.

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Wibbs

Deleted User wrote: »

If he tried that in Asia, Africa, etc, you can be legally <whatever>, but the average person won't accept him, and most officials won't either. It's not even about being accepted as the same as a native, but being accepted as <insert nationality>, because the national identity is so fixed.

I speak pretty good Mandarin, I know most of the cultural norms, have extensive contacts.. I could live there for fifty years, and I'll always be a laowai, a foreigner. I know a few foreigners who have managed to get residency or live there long term, with their chinese wives, and kids.. nope, they're still foreigners.

And that is the way it is in most countries.

Because in most non western countries they feel their national identity is something valuable and don't have insecurities about it compared to an increasing trend in some western societies.

Thinking more on it this could be why Ireland is so hell bent on running this multicultural experiment, even when it's clearly not working so well in other nations who've been running it for years. The Irish can be extremely insecure about themselves and their Irishness. Every visiting dignitary or celeb is often met by an embarrassing servility and requests to big us up because of the grace of their presence. Maximum points if one of their great great grandparent's friends once visited Cork. Hell any viewing of the Late Late Show over the last 50 years would show this. Tubs is truly cringeworthy on that score, though Pat the Plank and Gaybo were prone to it too, though generally not as badly. They had some excuse as Ireland during Gaybo's time was much more a backwater, but even the massive shift in economics and exposure and recognition in the world hasn't changed this underlying neurosis.

Check out any thread about Ireland on this site(or comments on reddit, facebook or youtube) and you're almost guaranteed to have the usual litany about how crap we and the country is. How backward we were for so long and still are, how Irish women are all aggressive munters and foreign women are all wonderfully open supermodels. Too often we're still tugging the forelock to authority, because we love authority, with a large chunk of unspecified guilt and a need to fit in. hell, look how quick we are to lose our accents and slap on new ones. Look at how so many Irish men and women had to leave here to make names for themselves in the arts and business and we fete them like demigods when they grace us with their presence, unless they have the gall to actually still live here(Bono as an example). No wonder the Brits and then especially the Church found us so pliable to control. We've huge national psyche guilt about that too, hence all our woes were first laid at London's feet and now laid at Rome's.

So being told "diversity" will somehow make us better, less Irish in effect, is an easy sell. Our apparently awful food will be better, our women will be better looking, we'll be less the meh freckled ginger pasty faces and the other nations will finally see us as the great people we are. If only we could do something about the weather. Maybe global warming will help here... The Irish psyche must be about the most ripe for "virtue signalling" and buying into another round of bullshite from authority on the planet.

[Deleted User]

bubblypop wrote: »

So, let's move the focus towards people that are legally in this country. Let's move people towards the jobs area.
Unlike the poster above, I don't anything against anybody looking for a job in any work in any area.

You’re not making any sense sweetheart. I’m out for tonight.

Good night folks.

jmreire

Deleted User wrote: »

Not really. It's only in western (and some Eastern European) nations where you have the chance to get citizenship and be accepted.

If he tried that in Asia, Africa, etc, you can be legally <whatever>, but the average person won't accept him, and most officials won't either. It's not even about being accepted as the same as a native, but being accepted as <insert nationality>, because the national identity is so fixed.

I speak pretty good Mandarin, I know most of the cultural norms, have extensive contacts.. I could live there for fifty years, and I'll always be a laowai, a foreigner. I know a few foreigners who have managed to get residency or live there long term, with their chinese wives, and kids.. nope, they're still foreigners.

And that is the way it is in most countries.

Yes, I under stand that OK, but he mentioned Albanian, German, Swedish, and Finnish. So as a EU Citizen, he would be welcome to move to any of these Country's, and live there if he wanted to. If living in Ireland is not to his liking. Citizenship varies from Country to Country even within the EU if that was what you wanted. For sure, there are far worse citizenships to have than the Irish one....

[Deleted User]

bubblypop wrote: »

I never once suggested That I was I person that isn't Irish was looking at their posts.

Please go bed. You’re starting to come across as the spinster aunt at the family wedding who has gotten stuck into the gin.

Let’s draw a line under it for tonight and come back to it when you’re coherent and capable of debate.

[Deleted User]

bubblypop wrote: »

I never once suggested That I was I person that isn't Irish was looking at their posts.

While I'm generally not one to pick someone up on bad grammar (my own is pretty bad at times), this is gibberish.

<Twisting my head into knots> I guess you mean.. yeah.. no. You did. More doubling down. Refusing to acknowledge what you, yourself, have stated on the thread.

Yeah. I'm done. You're not arguing in good faith, and I can't be bothered chasing you down rabbit holes, when you're not even going to defend your own posts honestly.

Night folks. (That's everyone else)

Bubblypop.. when you're ready to actually commit to a discussion, I'll deal with you. I see no point in doing so now.