iebamm2580 wrote: » Heard Ebun Joseph on Newstalk yesterday morning around 7am bit after, saying irish schools are encouraging racism by teaching history which in turn teaches white supremacy, tbf the guy interviewer pulled her up on that allegation, about time somebody had the balls to, don't mean to be harsh but she comes across as very low on the intellect scale. She wants African history taught here and anti racism courses for all teachers and students(presumably courses taught by her), incredible people give her the time of day. People like her if given enough air time will create division and problems where none exist.
[Deleted User] wrote: » There is no discussion because you didn't take the time to consider what was written. Just as the person from Portugal did with my post. Just seeking something to be outraged over.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-newstalk-breakfast/page/2 I just listened to it. Less than 5 painful minutes of rubbish. Teachers should have anti racism training University lecturers should have anti racism training Students should have anti racism training The entire curriculum should be changed Teaching European history is promoting white supremacy
bubblypop wrote: » Ah no, I did consider what was written. I still think the poster was wrong in what he post. Ate you going to tell me I'm wrong?
"So, it's all non Irish living here you have a problem with then. At least you're consistent."
bubblypop wrote: » Ah no, I did consider what was written. I still think the poster was wrong in what he post.
Hamachi wrote: » Point out what’s wrong in my post. ‘You think’ does not an argument make ‘bubblypop’. For the record, I lived in Germany for as long as that poster has lived here. I’m fairly senior in what I do any paid tens of thousands of Euros in tax to the German exchequer. Never once did it occur to me to have the audacity to lecture Germans on their immigration policy or the future demographic composition of their country. I’m not German, I never will be and have no right to insert myself in their affairs, regardless of what my opinions are on Chancellor Merkel’s decision to open the borders and dispense with the Dublin convention in 2015. Ireland doesn’t have a colonial past like Portugal, nor do we have the painful history of Germany. We’re fully entitled to have a robust debate on immigration and push back against the follies of a flawed politic like multiculturalism. People like you aren’t going to silence the conversation.
Necro wrote: » Mod: Another personalised post like the start of the one above and you won't be posting in this thread again. Post in a civil manner and you can discuss the matter all day till the cows come home if you like
Hamachi wrote: » For the record, I lived in Germany for as long as that poster has lived here. I’m fairly senior in what I do any paid tens of thousands of Euros in tax to the German exchequer. Never once did it occur to me to have the audacity to lecture Germans on their immigration policy or the future demographic composition of their country. I’m not German, I never will be and have no right to insert myself in their affairs, regardless of what my opinions are on Chancellor Merkel’s decision to open the borders and dispense with the Dublin convention in 2015. Ireland doesn’t have a colonial past like Portugal, nor do we have the painful history of Germany. We’re fully entitled to have a robust debate on immigration and push back against the follies of a flawed politic like multiculturalism. People like you aren’t going to silence the conversation.
Marcos wrote: » Would they be so sanguine about Irish people going to the likes of Germany, Portugal or elsewhere and telling them what they can and can't debate? I doubt it.
Hamachi wrote: » It’s why that hysteric, Ebun Joseph, is ultimately destined for obscurity.
Deleted User wrote: » There's just too much support for the diversity, identity politics, white guilt, and the need for racism to exist. It's present in RTE on both TV and Radio. It's pretty common in our national newspapers... and worse yet, it's common throughout our political system. It's got too much support from official sources for it to be dropped any time soon... at least not without some serious pressure from a 'greater' source (the EU, or massive public anger).
Hamachi wrote: » Indeed. If Irish people were foolish enough to insert themselves into a crucial national conversation of another country, they would be told where to go pretty sharpish. There’s a mindset out there that because somebody has paid a few euros into the exchequer, they have an intrinsic right to lecture the natives on what’s good for them. What this mindset is incapable of acknowledging is that European natives have roots that go back centuries and are rarely willing to entertain the critique of relative newcomers. It’s why that hysteric, Ebun Joseph, is ultimately destined for obscurity.
bubblypop wrote: » Just because someone has paid a few euros into the exchequer? Do people living in this country paying taxes not have some say into the day to day running of the country? I'm living in this country 30ish years, working and paying taxes, do I have any say?
[Deleted User] wrote: » The point he's making is that often with other nationalities (about their countries) you would be told quickly that your viewpoints were not wanted. He's not actually saying you have no right to an opinion on the topic. He's pointing out a double standard that often exists.
Hamachi wrote: » Amazing that you actually needed to reiterate that explicitly, but there ya go...
[Deleted User] wrote: » For myself, that depends. Are you now Irish, or have you retained your external citizenship? If you've commited to living in a country, then you should have a say.. now.. whether other people have to listen, is a different matter entirely. However, simply as a taxpayer, but not a citizen? I'd say your opinions counts for less. But yeah, you do have a say.... TBH everyone does. The point he's making is that often with other nationalities (about their countries) you would be told quickly that your viewpoints were not wanted. He's not actually saying you have no right to an opinion on the topic. He's pointing out a double standard that often exists.
bubblypop wrote: » No, he doesn't need to say anything. You do however. Do you think I have any say I now this country is run? I'm here over 30 years. Do other people have any say in how this country is run? What do you think should be the rule? Who gets a voice? Anyone who gets a vote? Anyone who pays taxes? How long should they pay taxes before they get a say? How long should anyone's taxes be paid before they take effect?
bubblypop wrote: » But why should anyone pay huge money to become a citizen of Ireland?
biko wrote: » I would expect someone who moved here to have enough grá for the place to become a citizen.
Hamachi wrote: » See Klaz’s response.
bubblypop wrote: » Ah will ya stop! I wouldn't in a fit pay thousands if euros to pay to be a citizen!! Why would ya?
bubblypop wrote: » You don't have any opinion? Should u have a say in how this country is run? What do you think?
Hamachi wrote: » And that says it all..
bubblypop wrote: » Says what exactly?
biko wrote: » I suppose the concept of national pride and the sense of belonging is lost on you. Me, if I moved to France with the intention to remain there decades I'd very vigorously learn the language, the customs, and get myself a citizenship so even though I was not French by birth I'd make my damndest to fit in and take pride in my new country.
Hamachi wrote: » How little value you place on the privilege of Irish citizenship.
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