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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

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biko wrote: »

I would expect someone who moved here to have enough grá for the place to become a citizen.

What’s more disturbing is the comment about the perceived exorbitant cost of taking out Irish citizenship.

Really highlights how little value that individual places on something that’s a true privilege.

What’s that old adage of knowing the price of everything, but understanding the value of nothing?

bubblypop wrote: »

But why should anyone pay huge money to become a citizen of Ireland?

I would expect someone who moved here to have enough grá for the place to become a citizen.

bubblypop wrote: »

No, he doesn't need to say anything. You do however. Do you think I have any say I now this country is run? I'm here over 30 years.
Do other people have any say in how this country is run?
What do you think should be the rule? Who gets a voice? Anyone who gets a vote? Anyone who pays taxes? How long should they pay taxes before they get a say?
How long should anyone's taxes be paid before they take effect?

See Klaz’s response.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For myself, that depends. Are you now Irish, or have you retained your external citizenship? If you've commited to living in a country, then you should have a say.. now.. whether other people have to listen, is a different matter entirely. However, simply as a taxpayer, but not a citizen? I'd say your opinions counts for less.

But yeah, you do have a say.... TBH everyone does. The point he's making is that often with other nationalities (about their countries) you would be told quickly that your viewpoints were not wanted.

He's not actually saying you have no right to an opinion on the topic. He's pointing out a double standard that often exists.

People can hold more than one passport and more than one citizenship.
But why should anyone pay huge money to become a citizen of Ireland?

Hamachi wrote: »

Amazing that you actually needed to reiterate that explicitly, but there ya go...

No, he doesn't need to say anything. You do however. Do you think I have any say I now this country is run? I'm here over 30 years.
Do other people have any say in how this country is run?
What do you think should be the rule? Who gets a voice? Anyone who gets a vote? Anyone who pays taxes? How long should they pay taxes before they get a say?
How long should anyone's taxes be paid before they take effect?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The point he's making is that often with other nationalities (about their countries) you would be told quickly that your viewpoints were not wanted.

He's not actually saying you have no right to an opinion on the topic. He's pointing out a double standard that often exists.

Amazing that you actually needed to reiterate that explicitly, but there ya go...

bubblypop wrote: »

Just because someone has paid a few euros into the exchequer?
Do people living in this country paying taxes not have some say into the day to day running of the country?
I'm living in this country 30ish years, working and paying taxes, do I have any say?

For myself, that depends. Are you now Irish, or have you retained your external citizenship? If you've commited to living in a country, then you should have a say.. now.. whether other people have to listen, is a different matter entirely. However, simply as a taxpayer, but not a citizen? I'd say your opinions counts for less.

But yeah, you do have a say.... TBH everyone does. The point he's making is that often with other nationalities (about their countries) you would be told quickly that your viewpoints were not wanted.

He's not actually saying you have no right to an opinion on the topic. He's pointing out a double standard that often exists.

Hamachi wrote: »

Indeed. If Irish people were foolish enough to insert themselves into a crucial national conversation of another country, they would be told where to go pretty sharpish.

There’s a mindset out there that because somebody has paid a few euros into the exchequer, they have an intrinsic right to lecture the natives on what’s good for them. What this mindset is incapable of acknowledging is that European natives have roots that go back centuries and are rarely willing to entertain the critique of relative newcomers.

It’s why that hysteric, Ebun Joseph, is ultimately destined for obscurity.

Just because someone has paid a few euros into the exchequer?
Do people living in this country paying taxes not have some say into the day to day running of the country?
I'm living in this country 30ish years, working and paying taxes, do I have any say?

Deleted User wrote: »

There's just too much support for the diversity, identity politics, white guilt, and the need for racism to exist. It's present in RTE on both TV and Radio. It's pretty common in our national newspapers... and worse yet, it's common throughout our political system. It's got too much support from official sources for it to be dropped any time soon... at least not without some serious pressure from a 'greater' source (the EU, or massive public anger).

Usually you need to make a shed load from the industry. In this case 'diversity'. Remember all of this stuff costs money, which is passed on to the consumer. It's never free.

Then when the country is too far gone, and there is eventually an outcry 'why didn't anyone shout stop', 'we should be protected from ourselves' you make another packet consulting on how to clean up the mess.

We've seen it like this so many times before. Make money creating a problem, or perceived problem, and then flog them the cure.

Hamachi wrote: »

It’s why that hysteric, Ebun Joseph, is ultimately destined for obscurity.

Dunno.. I think she'll do well for a decade or two before she gets pushed out.

There's just too much support for the diversity, identity politics, white guilt, and the need for racism to exist. It's present in RTE on both TV and Radio. It's pretty common in our national newspapers... and worse yet, it's common throughout our political system. It's got too much support from official sources for it to be dropped any time soon... at least not without some serious pressure from a 'greater' source (the EU, or massive public anger).

This year, alone, I've seen too many ads pushing the racial angle, and the "new Irish"... so.. yeah, I suspect she's going to be around for a long time yet.

Unless we get some kind of national tragedy that can be traced to the pushers of this racism gig.

Marcos wrote: »

Would they be so sanguine about Irish people going to the likes of Germany, Portugal or elsewhere and telling them what they can and can't debate? I doubt it.

Indeed. If Irish people were foolish enough to insert themselves into a crucial national conversation of another country, they would be told where to go pretty sharpish.

There’s a mindset out there that because somebody has paid a few euros into the exchequer, they have an intrinsic right to lecture the natives on what’s good for them. What this mindset is incapable of acknowledging is that European natives have roots that go back centuries and are rarely willing to entertain the critique of relative newcomers.

It’s why that hysteric, Ebun Joseph, is ultimately destined for obscurity.

Hamachi wrote: »

For the record, I lived in Germany for as long as that poster has lived here. I’m fairly senior in what I do any paid tens of thousands of Euros in tax to the German exchequer.

Never once did it occur to me to have the audacity to lecture Germans on their immigration policy or the future demographic composition of their country. I’m not German, I never will be and have no right to insert myself in their affairs, regardless of what my opinions are on Chancellor Merkel’s decision to open the borders and dispense with the Dublin convention in 2015.

Ireland doesn’t have a colonial past like Portugal, nor do we have the painful history of Germany. We’re fully entitled to have a robust debate on immigration and push back against the follies of a flawed politic like multiculturalism.

People like you aren’t going to silence the conversation.

This says it all really. You have to wonder about the motivations of those who want to stop Irish people having the cheek to debate immigration policy in Ireland. Would they be so sanguine about Irish people going to the likes of Germany, Portugal or elsewhere and telling them what they can and can't debate? I doubt it.

Seeing your username Hamachi reminded me of this video.

The Japanese has a very strict justice system, some may say diabolical, but it works to make Japan one of the safest countries on earth.
It really pays to not break the law there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ZLGqL1FMo

Necro wrote: »

Mod:

Another personalised post like the start of the one above and you won't be posting in this thread again.

Post in a civil manner and you can discuss the matter all day till the cows come home if you like

Got it. Confirming that I’ll refrain from engaging with that poster on this topic going forward.

Hamachi wrote: »

Point out what’s wrong in my post. ‘You think’ does not an argument make ‘bubblypop’.

For the record, I lived in Germany for as long as that poster has lived here. I’m fairly senior in what I do any paid tens of thousands of Euros in tax to the German exchequer.

Never once did it occur to me to have the audacity to lecture Germans on their immigration policy or the future demographic composition of their country. I’m not German, I never will be and have no right to insert myself in their affairs, regardless of what my opinions are on Chancellor Merkel’s decision to open the borders and dispense with the Dublin convention in 2015.

Ireland doesn’t have a colonial past like Portugal, nor do we have the painful history of Germany. We’re fully entitled to have a robust debate on immigration and push back against the follies of a flawed politic like multiculturalism.

People like you aren’t going to silence the conversation.

Mod:

Another personalised post like the start of the one above and you won't be posting in this thread again.

Post in a civil manner and you can discuss the matter all day till the cows come home if you like

bubblypop wrote: »

Ah no, I did consider what was written.
I still think the poster was wrong in what he post.

Point out what’s wrong in my post. ‘You think’ does not an argument make ‘bubblypop’.

For the record, I lived in Germany for as long as that poster has lived here. I’m fairly senior in what I do any paid tens of thousands of Euros in tax to the German exchequer.

Never once did it occur to me to have the audacity to lecture Germans on their immigration policy or the future demographic composition of their country. I’m not German, I never will be and have no right to insert myself in their affairs, regardless of what my opinions are on Chancellor Merkel’s decision to open the borders and dispense with the Dublin convention in 2015.

Ireland doesn’t have a colonial past like Portugal, nor do we have the painful history of Germany. We’re fully entitled to have a robust debate on immigration and push back against the follies of a flawed politic like multiculturalism.

People like you aren’t going to silence the conversation.

bubblypop wrote: »

Ah no, I did consider what was written.
I still think the poster was wrong in what he post.
Ate you going to tell me I'm wrong?

"So, it's all non Irish living here you have a problem with then.
At least you're consistent."

Based on what you wrote? Yes, I can say, without a shadow of doubt, that you were wrong.

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-newstalk-breakfast/page/2

I just listened to it. Less than 5 painful minutes of rubbish.

Teachers should have anti racism training
University lecturers should have anti racism training
Students should have anti racism training
The entire curriculum should be changed
Teaching European history is promoting white supremacy

Wonder where I could get a book in all of this? Or even better, where could I hire a Diversity & Career Consultant to help me with these topics?
Imagine a job title like Diversity Consultant. Jesus wept.

Follow the money people ................ always follow the money.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is no discussion because you didn't take the time to consider what was written. Just as the person from Portugal did with my post. Just seeking something to be outraged over.

Ah no, I did consider what was written.
I still think the poster was wrong in what he post.
Ate you going to tell me I'm wrong?

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Heard Ebun Joseph on Newstalk yesterday morning around 7am bit after, saying irish schools are encouraging racism by teaching history which in turn teaches white supremacy, tbf the guy interviewer pulled her up on that allegation, about time somebody had the balls to, don't mean to be harsh but she comes across as very low on the intellect scale. She wants African history taught here and anti racism courses for all teachers and students(presumably courses taught by her), incredible people give her the time of day. People like her if given enough air time will create division and problems where none exist.

She is a moron, independent of her colour, which I could care less about. A compete moron (or an intentionally dangerous dog whistler)

A moron indulged by our media.

Shed be high on the list go get anti racism training (which I am sure her new "consultancy" would provide)

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-newstalk-breakfast/page/2

I just listened to it. Less than 5 painful minutes of rubbish.

Teachers should have anti racism training
University lecturers should have anti racism training
Students should have anti racism training
The entire curriculum should be changed
Teaching European history is promoting white supremacy

Eject this race baiting clown from our country please

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Is is regularly on the radio or writing opinion pieces in newspapers.
All are of the same theme- Irish people are racists.

Why do they keep inviting her back on ?
Why is anybody listening to her?

She was sent packing from the UK and now we are stuck with her.

Could you imagine if we actually had a colonial past, she will shoot her self in the foot at some stage and will not be asked back on, Niall Boylan tbf stood up for himself on the tonight show against her ramblings, doubt he will be allowed back on with her again now. Her points are non-sensical and she never actually answers a question, just back to white supremacy she goes.

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Is is regularly on the radio or writing opinion pieces in newspapers.
All are of the same theme- Irish people are racists.

Why do they keep inviting her back on ?
Why is anybody listening to her?

She was sent packing from the UK and now we are stuck with her.

Was she ??? Like I’ve said before I know someone who is a colleague of her and it’s never come up that - her take is she was invited to do a PhD here!!!

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Heard Ebun Joseph on Newstalk yesterday morning around 7am bit after, saying irish schools are encouraging racism by teaching history which in turn teaches white supremacy, tbf the guy interviewer pulled her up on that allegation, about time somebody had the balls to, don't mean to be harsh but she comes across as very low on the intellect scale. She wants African history taught here and anti racism courses for all teachers and students(presumably courses taught by her), incredible people give her the time of day. People like her if given enough air time will create division and problems where none exist.

Is

She is regularly on the radio or writing opinion pieces in newspapers.
All are of the same theme- Irish people are racists.

Why do they keep inviting her back on ?
Why is anybody listening to her?

She was sent packing from the UK and now we are stuck with her.

Heard Ebun Joseph on Newstalk yesterday morning around 7am bit after, saying irish schools are encouraging racism by teaching history which in turn teaches white supremacy, tbf the guy interviewer pulled her up on that allegation, about time somebody had the balls to, don't mean to be harsh but she comes across as very low on the intellect scale. She wants African history taught here and anti racism courses for all teachers and students(presumably courses taught by her), incredible people give her the time of day. People like her if given enough air time will create division and problems where none exist.

bubblypop wrote: »

I don't need to argue with posters on here. It's obvious what their opinions are.
I am not even going to comment on your personal abuse, just report it.

The poster from Portugal is living in this country ten years, legally, I'm guessing working here & paying his taxes
His opinion is every bit as valid as anyone else living here. In fact, he actually had some insights into immigration, but you dismissed him.
There is no discussing anything with you.

You’re not going to argue because you can’t formulate a coherent argument. It’s as simple as that. Fire away and report me. There’s no personal abuse involved. I’m simply pointing out the self-evident fact that you don’t have the intellectual chops to participate in this debate. Your agenda is entirely transparent. Hopefully, the mods see through it.

Actually, I didn’t dismiss the Portuguese poster. My point to him is that those in glass houses are in no position to throw stones. He comes from a country with a pretty diabolical colonial history. He isn’t really in any position to lecture Irish people on our handling of multiculturalism or the degree of demographic change we are willing to permit.

One sees what one wants to see. Carry on ‘bubblypop’...

bubblypop wrote: »

I don't need to argue with posters on here. It's obvious what their opinions are.
I am not even going to comment on your personal abuse, just report it.

The poster from Portugal is living in this country ten years, legally, I'm guessing working here & paying his taxes
His opinion is every bit as valid as anyone else living here. In fact, he actually had some insights into immigration, but you dismissed him.
There is no discussing anything with you.

There is no discussion because you didn't take the time to consider what was written. Just as the person from Portugal did with my post. Just seeking something to be outraged over.

Hamachi wrote: »

You took that from my post. You’re not very bright, are you?

While we’re on the topic of consistency, your unintelligent, puerile posting style is a constant.

Would love to see a fleshed out argument from you, but that’s never going to happen, is it ‘bubblypop’..

I don't need to argue with posters on here. It's obvious what their opinions are.
I am not even going to comment on your personal abuse, just report it.

The poster from Portugal is living in this country ten years, legally, I'm guessing working here & paying his taxes
His opinion is every bit as valid as anyone else living here. In fact, he actually had some insights into immigration, but you dismissed him.
There is no discussing anything with you.

bubblypop wrote: »

So, it's all non Irish living here you have a problem with then.
At least you're consistent.

You took that from my post. You’re not very bright, are you?

While we’re on the topic of consistency, your unintelligent, puerile posting style is a constant.

Would love to see a fleshed out argument from you, but that’s never going to happen, is it ‘bubblypop’..