The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

ooter wrote: »

6 different counties have won hurling all Irelands this century, 7 in football. That wouldn't suggest that 1 is harder to win than the other.
If the Dublin senior hurling team has been financially doped in recent years it has been a massive failure.
No wonder the GAA have cut it since 2017.

1 Leinster title despite all the funding is desperate. That is true.

Enquiring wrote: »

I answer all relevant questions. I don't get bogged down in whataboutery. That not one Dub has come up with a reasonable defence of the funding disparity is what actually speaks volumes.

I am out. Can't deal with idiots who think they are smart

You can't answer a direct question you don't deserve anyones attention in here

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kilns wrote: »

I am out. Can't deal with idiots who think they are smart

You can't answer a direct question you don't deserve anyones attention in here

Wise decision kilns

TheDalioLama

The main reason Dublin don't dominate hurling is because they started from a low base.

They were knocked out of the championship by Westmeath in the mid 2000s and were generally ranked 4th or worse in Leinster during that decade.

I don't think there's a county that has made more hurling progress in the last 15 years

Dick Turnip

TheDalioLama wrote: »

The main reason Dublin don't dominate hurling is because they started from a low base.

They were knocked out of the championship by Westmeath in the mid 2000s and were generally ranked 4th or worse in Leinster during that decade.

I don't think there's a county that has made more hurling progress in the last 15 years

They were knocked out by Laois last year....huge progress

(That is firmly tongue in cheek by the way)

Limerick?

kilns wrote: »

I am out. Can't deal with idiots who think they are smart

You can't answer a direct question you don't deserve anyones attention in here

You're not the first defender of the financial disparity to disappear when the facts are placed in front of you and you won't be the last.

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ooter wrote: »

6 different counties have won hurling all Irelands this century, 7 in football. That wouldn't suggest that 1 is harder to win than the other.
If the Dublin senior hurling team has been financially doped in recent years it has been a massive failure.
No wonder the GAA have cut it since 2017.

Is this a serious post?

First, why are you looking at this century? As much as I would like it to be the case, I don't think the Galway team of 2001's All-Ireland win has any relevance to the present day discussions. More pertinently, obviously, Dublin will have won 8 of the last 10 once they win again later this month.

Secondly, in that time 5 or 6 teams out of the 11 that enter the All-Ireland championship each year will have won the hurling, and Waterford and Cork will have come very close.

What a joy it would be to once again have 5+ teams starting into the All-Ireland football championship with a realistic chance of winning.

Kilkenny won 8 out of 10 all Irelands but sure that was grand, they were a credit to their county, a team for the ages etc etc..

ooter wrote: »

Kilkenny won 8 out of 10 all Irelands but sure that was grand, they were a credit to their county, a team for the ages etc etc..

When did Kilkenny get 25 million in games development funding while the second highest got under 2 million?

Actually, since Kilkenny havent won an All Ireland in a few years, isn't it time millions got pumped into their development structures?

Boom__Boom

Blueshoe wrote: »

Why don't they dominate in hurling too or at least reach semi final stage

The reason is that they were coming from a much much lower base in hurling.

Dublin won a Leinster hurling title in 2013.

Dublin's previous Leinster hurling title was in 1961.

During that same time period Dublin won 25 football Leinster titles.

Dublin have won 6 U21 Leinster hurling titles in total.
1967,1972, 2007, 2010, 2011 and 2016.
2 in the first 43 years of the competition versus 4 in the last 13 years.

The've won 16 minor Leinster hurling titles.
10 in the first 77 years of the competition versus 6 in the last 15 years.

At club level they had won 1 Leinster Senior Club in 1979 and have won 2 in 2016 and 2017. Cuala went on to win the All-Ireland in 2017 and 2018.

Hurling has never been stronger in Dublin.

Dublin are firmly established as a McCarthy Cup team - something that definitely wouldn't have been the case historically [if there were tiers in hurling]

Between 2008 and 2018, the level of participation in hurling GoGames increased by 98%.

Just because it's not dominating yet, doesn't mean that it hasn't made massive progress since the funding money started to flow.

TheDalioLama wrote: »

The main reason Dublin don't dominate hurling is because they started from a low base.

They were knocked out of the championship by Westmeath in the mid 2000s and were generally ranked 4th or worse in Leinster during that decade.

I don't think there's a county that has made more hurling progress in the last 15 years

They were knocked out by Laois last year and are still ranked 4th in Leinster

StupidLikeAFox

kilns wrote: »

The spreadsheet was posted on this forum previously for 2017 showing funding and broken down as per the census for children aged 5 -14. Per head of child Dublin was mid table

I'd be interested to know the source because according to this article (which is a good overview of the funding situation in general), Dublins funding increased in 2018.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0614/1055359-dublin-funding/

Enquiring wrote: »

You're not the first defender of the financial disparity to disappear when the facts are placed in front of you and you won't be the last.

I will bite

Enquiring wrote: »

When did Kilkenny get 25 million in games development funding while the second highest got under 2 million?

Actually, since Kilkenny havent won an All Ireland in a few years, isn't it time millions got pumped into their development structures?

Well that's down to the gaa but if they did decide to do it good luck to them, but the Dublin hurling experiment has proved it doesn't work.

kilns wrote: »

I will bite

No hatred at all. You just want to focus on one specific year under certain measurements. I'm way to wise to get bogged down in that game.

There are loads of people like me who care a lot about Gaelic games and care about fairness. You have no interest in that, fair enough but labelling people as bitter and insulting them has been tried a huge number of times over the years. Thankfully more and more people are seeing through these silencing tactics and looking at the actual facts.

ooter wrote: »

Well that's down to the gaa but if they did decide to do it good luck to them, but the Dublin hurling experiment has proved it doesn't work.

Wouod it be fair to give Kilkenny 25 million and the next highest under 2 million?

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

I'd be interested to know the source because according to this article (which is a good overview of the funding situation in general), Dublins funding increased in 2018.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0614/1055359-dublin-funding/

its true it did but still left them middle of the table at 8.68 per head of child, while the next biggest lump sum went to Meath and that was 11.99 per child

Enquiring wrote: »

No hatred at all. You just want to focus on one specific year under certain measurements. I'm way to wise to get bogged down in that game.

There are loads of people like me who care a lot about Gaelic games and care about fairness. You have no interest in that, fair enough but labelling people as bitter and insulting them has been tried a huge number of times over the years. Thankfully more and more people are seeing through these silencing tactics and looking at the actual facts.

no not one particular year but from 2017 onwards but again you fail to understand or acknowledge and wont admit it

if you cant engage in intelligent debate don't engage at all please

Enquiring wrote: »

Wouod it be fair to give Kilkenny 25 million and the next highest under 2 million?

No, 12 and a half if they're only going to focus on hurling but as I said, that's down to the gaa and if they deem it fair good luck to them. Hopefully Kilkenny hurling spend it better than Dublin hurling spent their 12 and a half mil.

kilns wrote: »

no not one particular year but from 2017 onwards but again you fail to understand or acknowledge and wont admit it

if you cant engage in intelligent debate don't engage at all please

You referred to 2 decades as a few years. I repeat, you can't ignore 25 million worth of funding because it doesn't fit the narrow scope you want to focus on. You know that though, that's why you're only resort is to throw out insults. A sure sign of a beaten docket.

ooter wrote: »

No, 12 and a half if they're only going to focus on hurling but as I said, that's down to the gaa and if they deem it fair good luck to them. Hopefully Kilkenny hurling spend it better than Dublin hurling spent their 12 and a half mil.

The cartwheels that have to be performed in order to defend the financial disparity never ceases to amaze.

Enquiring wrote: »

You referred to 2 decades as a few years. I repeat, you can't ignore 25 million worth of funding because it doesn't fit the narrow scope you want to focus on. You know that though, that's why you're only resort is to throw out insults. A sure sign of a beaten docket.

seriously, I cant get how you dont understand a simple question. I will repeat in simple words for you.

Yes. Dublin received excess funding to ensure the survival of the games in the capital. The structures were in place and the funding helped them implement their natural advantage and it has been a huge success in developing a huge player pool which has given rise to Dublins dominance. Now since 2017 and the years after, this funding per head of child has been addressed and now Dublin receive per head of child on average the same as every county. The question now for you is do you accept that calling for defunding is a moot point considering they receive the average per head of child of every other county or would still demand defunding of all development funds to Dublin and deprive children aged 5 to 18 of access to the games?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Dubs arguing that they haven't improved in hurling is the height of bad faith arguments.

kilns wrote: »

seriously, I cant get how you dont understand a simple question. I will repeat in simple words for you.

Yes. Dublin received excess funding to ensure the survival of the games in the capital. The structures were in place and the funding helped them implement their natural advantage and it has been a huge success in developing a huge player pool which has given rise to Dublins dominance. Now since 2017 and the years after, this funding per head of child has been addressed and now Dublin receive per head of child on average the same as every county. The question now for you is do you accept that calling for defunding is a moot point considering they receive the average per head of child of every other county or would still demand defunding of all development funds to Dublin and deprive children aged 5 to 18 of access to the games?

Why be so dishonest? You're start point is that Dublin were in the depths prior to funding. That is nonsense and most counties were in a far worse situation. When your starting point is a lie, then the rest just won't add up.

Especially when you're ruling out 2 decades of funding as a help. Nevermind ignoring the huge resources gained off the back of the funding.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Dubs arguing that they haven't improved in hurling is the height of bad faith arguments.

There's a liteny of bad faith arguments being made I'm afraid.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Dubs arguing that they haven't improved in hurling is the height of bad faith arguments.

You could argue the senior team improved for a period of time and have since regressed. They last won the Leinster title in 2013 and havent even been in a final since 2014

They did well for a while under Daly but apart from that it's all been a bit meh. If that's improvement fair enough but I would've expected at least 1 all Ireland for all the money that was thrown at it.

Enquiring wrote: »

Why be so dishonest? You're start point is that Dublin were in the depths prior to funding. That is nonsense and most counties were in a far worse situation. When your starting point is a lie, then the rest just won't add up.

Especially when you're ruling out 2 decades of funding as a help. Nevermind ignoring the huge resources gained off the back of the funding.

lol why bother trying to engage with people like you

ignored.