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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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The comparison was silly. Walsh could be argued as the worst of those three and Mayo sacrificed their best player on Saturday to follow him everywhere. If Walsh jumped into the first row of concrete benches around the edge, Keegan would've hopped in beside him. Hardly conductive to getting easy space and ball

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padd b1975 wrote: »

He's a class act on and off the field, they all are in fairness.

Could you imagine having to ship all those defeats from the egos of 06 with their marching towards the hill bull.

I don't think I'd be able for it!

To be fair, he touched on having developed a bit of an ego himself early on and feeling like all he had to do was show up. Kinda sounded like losing to Donegal in 2014 gave the whole squad a kick in the arse and then they reassessed everything - how they played, their attitudes etc.

Twas refreshing to hear both him and Bernard Brogan speak honestly about that side of things (Bernard touched on 2012 too), as we hear so much about how there are "no egos" in the Dublin squad. But of course there are. It's about managing them. It sounds like 2014 straightened a few of them out.

Squatman

charlie14 wrote: »

It may be a day for horses for courses with Aidan O`Shea having to revert to midfield which would be a shame as he could create havoc in that Dublin back-line.
Cluxton will hit whatever he aims at and Dublin will push up to make Clarke go long, so Mayo cannot leave Fenton and Howard unchallenged height-wise around midfield.

thats where jordan flynn would be beneficial, or, old man parsons.
im not sure if Aiden O'shea ever created havoc in the dublin back line. My memory is he was always kept in phillys back pocket? open to correction?

Squatman

km79 wrote: »

https://fb.watch/2h59Junvtq/

It has begun
Up Shrule

Sorry
Not sorry

that is brilliant:eek:

seligehgit

Did we get any clarity re the reason Fionn Mc Donagh wasn't on the bench?

I'd like to see him in the 26.

[Deleted User]

Wasn’t he taken off early against Galway in the league and then only one sub appearance since then so Horan did give him the chance but obviously not impressed enough to use in the championship. Don’t think he hit the highs / potential shown in early 2019 but he’s still young

FullBack Jam

Squatman wrote: »

thats where jordan flynn would be beneficial, or, old man parsons.
im not sure if Aiden O'shea ever created havoc in the dublin back line. My memory is he was always kept in phillys back pocket? open to correction?

If he got some form of equality from the officials, he might have had a better influence. Not easy to jump for the ball when Philly is holding your shorts, jersey etc. And the umpires just looking on in silence. Might be different when there is no crowd there. Whatever about the ref, I think umpires get intimidated by the baying Dublin crowd, especially as they are just sitting ducks (especially when right in front of the Hill).

muddle84

if i remember correctly from Ah Ref podcast this week. Fionn, Mark Moran and Towey are injured at the moment.

There was alot of rumours why he was left off the 26 at the start of the year. Horan was quizzed on it alot and his line was that he is training well and pushing for a place in the 26.

wirelessdude01

seligehgit wrote: »

Did we get any clarity re the reason Fionn Mc Donagh wasn't on the bench?

I'd like to see him in the 26.

I think perhaps he just isn't doing it on the training field.

Also perhaps Horan hasn't totally forgiven him for his little indiscretion. Took ROD a long time to regain Horans trust after his.

RedDevil55

flasher0030 wrote: »

If he got some form of equality from the officials, he might have had a better influence. Not easy to jump for the ball when Philly is holding your shorts, jersey etc. And the umpires just looking on in silence. Might be different when there is no crowd there. Whatever about the ref, I think umpires get intimidated by the baying Dublin crowd, especially as they are just sitting ducks (especially when right in front of the Hill).

Umpires can't call fouls, they can only inform refs about off the ball stuff during breaks in play. Unfortunately Aidan will always find it harder to get frees compared to Ryan O'Donoghue for example.

Blackjack

RedDevil55 wrote: »

Umpires can't call fouls, they can only inform refs about off the ball stuff during breaks in play. Unfortunately Aidan will always find it harder to get frees compared to Ryan O'Donoghue for example.

My understanding is they can only inform the ref if the ref has asked them - they can't draw their attention to it specifically. That's what i've been told by someone who would know more about this than I, but I'd love if it was wrong.

Squatman

flasher0030 wrote: »

If he got some form of equality from the officials, he might have had a better influence. Not easy to jump for the ball when Philly is holding your shorts, jersey etc. And the umpires just looking on in silence. Might be different when there is no crowd there. Whatever about the ref, I think umpires get intimidated by the baying Dublin crowd, especially as they are just sitting ducks (especially when right in front of the Hill).

thats only relevant for one half of the game

spakman

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I think perhaps he just isn't doing it on the training field.

Also perhaps Horan hasn't totally forgiven him for his little indiscretion. Took ROD a long time to regain Horans trust after his.

The 3 who dropped out of the 26 - Mcdonagh, mark moran and bryan walsh - were all confirmed as having injuries.

charlie14

Squatman wrote: »

thats where jordan flynn would be beneficial, or, old man parsons.
im not sure if Aiden O'shea ever created havoc in the dublin back line. My memory is he was always kept in phillys back pocket? open to correction?

Mayo are going to need somebody with height in the middle, not just to compete on high ball, but to track Fenton in particular imo.
O`Shea was more or less thrown in green in the past against Dublin.
He has a bit more experience under his belt now to know it`s not just all about just fielding. If he is to start at full forward, I would be surprised if Horan isn`t working on him breaking ball for some of those other nippy forwards of Mayo`s

Green&Red

charlie14 wrote: »

Mayo are going to need somebody with height in the middle, not just to compete on high ball, but to track Fenton in particular imo.
O`Shea was more or less thrown in green in the past against Dublin.
He has a bit more experience under his belt now to know it`s not just all about just fielding. If he is to start at full forward, I would be surprised if Horan isn`t working on him breaking ball for some of those other nippy forwards of Mayo`s

Ah Ref reckons Coen could be put on Fenton, not the worst idea, great engine, can completely sacrifice his own game to neutralise one of their best players

charlie14

Green&Red wrote: »

Ah Ref reckons Coen could be put on Fenton, not the worst idea, great engine, can completely sacrifice his own game to neutralise one of their best players

Could be an idea, and if he neutralised Fenton it would be a sacrifice well with making. If you can neutralise Fenton and Kilkenny I reckon you would go a long way to beating Dublin.
What height is Coen ? Far as I know Fenton is 6ft 6 inches.

dockysher

coen isnt a third of the player fenton is, people are delusional if they think coen can stop fenton

Green&Red

dockysher wrote: »

coen isnt a third of the player fenton is, people are delusional if they think coen can stop fenton

This is the issue with Coen

Lads that don’t have a clue about football underestimate him. Captain of minor, U-21 and Sigerson winning teams. That Sigerson team had Jimmy Feehan, Jack Barry, Conor McCarthy and Con O’Callaghan on it

Not half the player Fenton is but he’s such an effective man when given a job. He’s well capable of nullifying Fenton

PARlance

Green&Red wrote: »

This is the issue with Coen

Lads that don’t have a clue about football underestimate him. Captain of minor, U-21 and Sigerson winning teams. That Sigerson team had Jimmy Feehan, Jack Barry, Conor McCarthy and Con O’Callaghan on it

Not half the player Fenton is but he’s such an effective man when given a job. He’s well capable of nullifying Fenton

Extremely underrated player, none more so than in Mayo imo. I wouldn't be surprised to see him on Fenton and Aidan playing very deep for a chunk of the game.

kilns

dockysher wrote: »

coen isnt a third of the player fenton is, people are delusional if they think coen can stop fenton

To be fair he doesn't have to be half the player all they want is to stop him and players with less talent than Coen have been great spoilers in the past

Having said that unless Mayo repeat than goal haul they did against Tipp I can't see them laying a glove on Dublin and while COC can perform against weaker teams it remains to be seen if we have enough to trouble Dublin, I don't think he has . Mayo of old seemed to raise their game even above their own abilities against Dublin, hopeful they can do that again and give us a great final

Green&Red

COC V Dublin
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that’s close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he’ll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I’m surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Blackjack

Green&Red wrote: »

COC V Dublin
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that’s close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he’ll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I’m surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Of all the teams he’s played more than once his average is only higher against Tipp and Leitrim, and that’s only after this years games are included.
He’s scored more goals than anyone else in championship football.
His average per game is higher than anyone else in championship football.
He’s scored more in a single game than anyone else in championship football.
His average vs current and former champions when playing them is better also than his overall average, which puts paid to any narrative that he doesn’t do it against the “big teams”.

kilns

Green&Red wrote: »

COC V Dublin
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that’s close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he’ll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I’m surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Out of interest how many are from dead balls?

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kilns wrote: »

Out of interest how many are from dead balls?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............

Green&Red

kilns wrote: »

Out of interest how many are from dead balls?

Sorry, I forgot they count less

It’s as tired a line as €50 doesn’t kick the ball over the bar

kilns

It was a geniune question

Alot of respect for COC, he is a great finisher and is probably the difference between Mayo being a middle of the road team and a real contender, he has that nasty streak too which is no harm too

Maybe I havent watched him as closely but whenever he has played Dublin, I dont ever remember him being one of Mayos top performers, when as I said he is the X factor player who elevates them above the norm. For me personally Dublin seem to be able to cope with him in open play as he lacks that bit of pace which would scare a defender but who knows he could rip it up next Sunday

Loafing Oaf

While we're on the subject, just to mention that COC jointly held the previous highest score in a game record himself with 3-9 against Limerick in 2018. But both tallies overshadowed by the 6-12 he notched in a U-12 game for Ballintubber back in the day:P
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/how-cillian-oconnors-4-9-23148460

Green&Red

kilns wrote: »

It was a geniune question

Alot of respect for COC, he is a great finisher and is probably the difference between Mayo being a middle of the road team and a real contender, he has that nasty streak too which is no harm too

Maybe I havent watched him as closely but whenever he has played Dublin, I dont ever remember him being one of Mayos top performers, when as I said he is the X factor player who elevates them above the norm. For me personally Dublin seem to be able to cope with him in open play as he lacks that bit of pace which would scare a defender but who knows he could rip it up next Sunday

Was it a genuine question though?

Because you say “ it remains to be seen if WE have enough to trouble Dublin”

By its not WE is it, you’re a dub as far as I can see, certainly not from Mayo, so it’s just more trolling, what’s new ?

muddle84

Green&Red wrote: »

COC V Dublin
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that’s close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he’ll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I’m surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

He is not a marquee forward end of.....? He has now overtaken Matt Connors record for average scores from play in championship now.

But he doesn't score from the sideline on the outside of the boot, so he can't be a marquee forward......right?

muddle84

dockysher wrote: »

coen isnt a third of the player fenton is, people are delusional if they think coen can stop fenton

There is nobody in the country close to Fenton in terms of what he does for Dublin and how good he is. That's not the point, he doesn't have to be a third of the footballer. He is everybit the athlete that Fenton is. Sure Fenton might catch it over his head but is he going to be as effective when Coen is tackling him and following him the full length of the field.

Coen's best games are when he is given a specific role like this. He tends to get a bit lost when running up the field. When he gets into the other half he usually looks to off load. I think this is why he is underrated so much.

yop

Green&Red wrote: »

COC V Dublin
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that’s close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he’ll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I’m surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Unfortunately you will still have those simpletons who will still argue against that.
Even the Dubs glorify a free taker, but yet when Its COC its a different reaction, sad isn't it.

https://www.wearedublin.com/football/rocks-free-kick-statistics-show-his-importance-to-dublin/

Coen on Fenton could be interesting. He has the physical attributes to handle him and he is a quality but yet not glorified player.

Horan usually pulls some rabbit out of the hat.