Geuze wrote: » TDs do earn double the average earnings, that is the case now. I think that's fair enough, it is a 24x7 job. Ministers get, I think, 3x average earnings? The Taoiseach gets about 4x.
Bubbaclaus wrote: » Looks like Holly Cairns is the latest target for twitter abuse, purely because she is dating a FF TD. Noticed she was trending and clicked in to see why. Wish I didn't now.
Bannasidhe wrote: » That all started to kick off when Cairns began to take on the Greyhound industry. They can't dispute the figures as many of them are from reports they themselves commissioned (as Bord na gCon) so the attacks are becoming increasingly personal. The whole 'she doesn't really believe what she is saying because she is having sex with a TD who voted to continue supporting the greyhound industry' trope was fast out of the trap (pardon the pun). Yeah, 'silly little girls' can't hold an independent and differing opinion to their man, this is known. :rolleyes: Cairns dating a FF TD did cost her votes, she knows this. There were full and frank discussions across West Cork on this very topic which although I'm not in that Constituency or a member of the Soc Dems I kinda got dragged into as I have a ton of politically very active, and vocal, friends in West Cork.
Bannasidhe wrote: » Avg industrial wage 2018 = €38,871 x2 = 77,742 Avg industrial wage 2019 shot up to €48,946 = 97,892 (an increase which needs looking at imo). Basic TD salary 2019 €96,189 plus expenses Taoiseach salary 2019 €96,189 plus salaried allowance of €111,401* plus expenses. The issue is the 'plus expenses' which we know has been open to widescale abuse and the way the avg industrial wage is calculated - ironically high earners like top civil servants, ministers etc are skewing the figure due to being top earners.
Geuze wrote: » Average Industrial Wages = NOT PUBLISHED ANYMORE, since 2015Average Earnings for full-time workers 2019https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/elca/earningsandlabourcostsannualdata2019/ 2014 = 44,829 2015 = 45,061 2016 = 45,640 2017 = 46,399 2018 = 47,596 2019 = 48,946 Yes, this is the mean earnings, and yes it is affected by outliers. Yes, the expenses should be looked at. But I don't think 96k is too high. Bear in mind that a 26 year old accountant in Dublin can make 48k.
Bannasidhe wrote: » So I am going to now state that TDs should earn twice the minimum wage based on a 40 hour working week - €20.20 ph = 808 pw =42,016 pa... too little?? Ok - how about we make it twice the living wage based on a 40 hour week? TD 2x 12.30 = €24.6 ph = 984 pw = 51,168 pa. Minister 2.5 x12.30 = 30.75 ph = 1,230 pw = 63,960 pa Taoiseach 3 x 12.30 = 36.9 ph = 1,476 pw = 76,752 pa
Bannasidhe wrote: » Ok - how about we make it twice the living wage based on a 40 hour week? TD 2x 12.30 = €24.6 ph = 984 pw = 51,168 pa. Minister 2.5 x12.30 = 30.75 ph = 1,230 pw = 63,960 pa Taoiseach 3 x 12.30 = 36.9 ph = 1,476 pw = 76,752 pa Seems fair enough to me.
Geuze wrote: » Teacher at top of scale = 70k Typical lecturer, at top of scale = 84k Average in Facebook Ireland = 100k So a Minister on 64k is not realistic.
Floppybits wrote: » Charlie Flanagan coming out to say he didn't know what he was voting for last week on the student nurses pay and only became aware of how serious it was through local media.https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gael-tds-and-senators-criticise-handling-of-student-nurses-pay-saying-it-portrayed-party-as-callous-39846440.html
McMurphy wrote: » This tweet sums the nonsense up completely.https://twitter.com/James_MacX/status/1336804859308367874?s=19 Why does it matter a dam who she's dating?
Bannasidhe wrote: » Absolutely no reason why it is not realistic given they also get a salaried allowance that is currently more than their basic wage. Make the salaried allowance the same as the basic and they would be on €127.920 pa - what exactly is 'unrealistic' about that?
Geuze wrote: » You are suggesting TD salary = 51,168 You are suggesting minister gets = 64k So you are suggesting a Ministerial allowance of 13k.I am suggesting that 51,168 is too low for a TD, it is barely above average earnings. An example: 27% of the students on an MSc in Business Analytics get 50-70k after graduation. Surely a TD should earn more than a graduate? Solicitors can be on 70k by age 30. An ALDI area manager, which can be a graduate, gets 61k - 103khttps://www.aldirecruitment.ie/area-manager-programme Ireland is a high-cost, high-price society. I suggest 96k for a TD is ok. I suggest cutting the travel expenses. I suggest 120-150k for Ministers.
Bowie wrote: » I think she's very good and I hope she progresses.
Deleted User wrote: » Pity she didn’t know the difference between a greyhound and a lurcher when posing outside the Dail before her defund greyhound racing debate.
Bowie wrote: » Would it have effected her policy wishes? I think all animal racing for sport is pretty safe. Not sure how much they should be getting off the tax payer.
Bannasidhe wrote: » Serve the people by taking snouts out of the trough and living on the kind of salaries the people who pay your wages do - then they might understand how a 300k house or €2k rents is not 'affordable' for the average worker. 51k a year for a backbencher who votes the way the party leadership tells them is, in fact, overpaying. Ditto for an Opposition TD. And as for ministers I said "Absolutely no reason why it is not realistic given they also get a salaried allowance that is currently more than their basic wage [mea culpa - I was wrong on that, the salaried allowance for a minister is €79,510, only in the case of the Taoiseach is it more than the basic 96,189 - it's 111,401].Make the salaried allowance the same as the basic and they would be on €127.920 pa" so why are you arguing with me on that? Currently a minister gets €175,699 (basic plus salaried allowance) plus other expenses so you agree with me they are over paid
Bannasidhe wrote: » Yes, Ireland is a high cost society - but our minimum wage - as decided by people you believe need €96k - is €2.20 below the living wage. And that is what is obscene, that just under €100k a year basic paid out of the public purse is justified by saying we are a high cost society but paying people a living wage isn't.
Deleted User wrote: » Attention to detail. Using a mixed breed claiming it was a thoroughbred was a schoolchild error.
McMurphy wrote: » Attention to detail? Cmon now, it was hardly comparable with 18 covids before this one, or Enda having full and detailed conversations with specific people in specific locations that never actually happened at all.
Cluedo Monopoly wrote: » Not knowing the difference between 6 people and 83 people was a schoolchild error that many in FFG made when they attended the elite Coronaparty in Clifden. Falling off a swing while drunk and then suing the hotel is a schoolchild error? Claiming 880 Euros worth of car damages after a 5mph 'collision' when photos subsequently showed zero damage - is that a schoolchild error? Claiming 15,000 Euros for 18 months of whiplash injuries when a car rolled into his car at 5mph - is that a schoolchild error? Double jobbing for 2 years in Brussels while claiming maximum Dail expenses in Dublin (4300 per month) was a schoolchild error? Expensing 130 calls to a Kenyan mobile phone for a total cost of €3,295 - schoolchild error? Claiming they were work related - schoolchild error? Fine Gael, the shame party, the dishonest party.
Bowie wrote: » Come to think of it our local FG TD claimed people were going around intimidating the elderly. She even claimed numerous pensioners had called her afraid... Turned out it was a few pensioners going door to door to get signatures to save the bus route the FG TD backed getting rid of and she didn't like it.
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