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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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The comparison was silly. Walsh could be argued as the worst of those three and Mayo sacrificed their best player on Saturday to follow him everywhere. If Walsh jumped into the first row of concrete benches around the edge, Keegan would've hopped in beside him. Hardly conductive to getting easy space and ball

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spakman

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I think perhaps he just isn't doing it on the training field.

Also perhaps Horan hasn't totally forgiven him for his little indiscretion. Took ROD a long time to regain Horans trust after his.

The 3 who dropped out of the 26 - Mcdonagh, mark moran and bryan walsh - were all confirmed as having injuries.

Squatman

flasher0030 wrote: »

If he got some form of equality from the officials, he might have had a better influence. Not easy to jump for the ball when Philly is holding your shorts, jersey etc. And the umpires just looking on in silence. Might be different when there is no crowd there. Whatever about the ref, I think umpires get intimidated by the baying Dublin crowd, especially as they are just sitting ducks (especially when right in front of the Hill).

thats only relevant for one half of the game

Blackjack

RedDevil55 wrote: »

Umpires can't call fouls, they can only inform refs about off the ball stuff during breaks in play. Unfortunately Aidan will always find it harder to get frees compared to Ryan O'Donoghue for example.

My understanding is they can only inform the ref if the ref has asked them - they can't draw their attention to it specifically. That's what i've been told by someone who would know more about this than I, but I'd love if it was wrong.

RedDevil55

flasher0030 wrote: »

If he got some form of equality from the officials, he might have had a better influence. Not easy to jump for the ball when Philly is holding your shorts, jersey etc. And the umpires just looking on in silence. Might be different when there is no crowd there. Whatever about the ref, I think umpires get intimidated by the baying Dublin crowd, especially as they are just sitting ducks (especially when right in front of the Hill).

Umpires can't call fouls, they can only inform refs about off the ball stuff during breaks in play. Unfortunately Aidan will always find it harder to get frees compared to Ryan O'Donoghue for example.

wirelessdude01

seligehgit wrote: »

Did we get any clarity re the reason Fionn Mc Donagh wasn't on the bench?

I'd like to see him in the 26.

I think perhaps he just isn't doing it on the training field.

Also perhaps Horan hasn't totally forgiven him for his little indiscretion. Took ROD a long time to regain Horans trust after his.

muddle84

if i remember correctly from Ah Ref podcast this week. Fionn, Mark Moran and Towey are injured at the moment.

There was alot of rumours why he was left off the 26 at the start of the year. Horan was quizzed on it alot and his line was that he is training well and pushing for a place in the 26.

FullBack Jam

Squatman wrote: »

thats where jordan flynn would be beneficial, or, old man parsons.
im not sure if Aiden O'shea ever created havoc in the dublin back line. My memory is he was always kept in phillys back pocket? open to correction?

If he got some form of equality from the officials, he might have had a better influence. Not easy to jump for the ball when Philly is holding your shorts, jersey etc. And the umpires just looking on in silence. Might be different when there is no crowd there. Whatever about the ref, I think umpires get intimidated by the baying Dublin crowd, especially as they are just sitting ducks (especially when right in front of the Hill).

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Wasn’t he taken off early against Galway in the league and then only one sub appearance since then so Horan did give him the chance but obviously not impressed enough to use in the championship. Don’t think he hit the highs / potential shown in early 2019 but he’s still young

seligehgit

Did we get any clarity re the reason Fionn Mc Donagh wasn't on the bench?

I'd like to see him in the 26.

Squatman

km79 wrote: »

https://fb.watch/2h59Junvtq/

It has begun
Up Shrule

Sorry
Not sorry

that is brilliant:eek:

Squatman

charlie14 wrote: »

It may be a day for horses for courses with Aidan O`Shea having to revert to midfield which would be a shame as he could create havoc in that Dublin back-line.
Cluxton will hit whatever he aims at and Dublin will push up to make Clarke go long, so Mayo cannot leave Fenton and Howard unchallenged height-wise around midfield.

thats where jordan flynn would be beneficial, or, old man parsons.
im not sure if Aiden O'shea ever created havoc in the dublin back line. My memory is he was always kept in phillys back pocket? open to correction?

PressRun

padd b1975 wrote: »

He's a class act on and off the field, they all are in fairness.

Could you imagine having to ship all those defeats from the egos of 06 with their marching towards the hill bull.

I don't think I'd be able for it!

To be fair, he touched on having developed a bit of an ego himself early on and feeling like all he had to do was show up. Kinda sounded like losing to Donegal in 2014 gave the whole squad a kick in the arse and then they reassessed everything - how they played, their attitudes etc.

Twas refreshing to hear both him and Bernard Brogan speak honestly about that side of things (Bernard touched on 2012 too), as we hear so much about how there are "no egos" in the Dublin squad. But of course there are. It's about managing them. It sounds like 2014 straightened a few of them out.

padd b1975

km79 wrote: »

I read an article in the independent today and was shocked by it
I thought he had just taken the opportunity to take a year off from it
Reading the article I don’t think he will be back. A real eye opener for many regarding the sacrifices they all make for our enjoyment !

He's a class act on and off the field, they all are in fairness.

Could you imagine having to ship all those defeats from the egos of 06 with their marching towards the hill bull.

I don't think I'd be able for it!

Panrich

seligehgit wrote: »

If anybody wants to make a donation to the training fund there's a link here.

https://mayogaa.com/donate/

Thanks for the link. Every little helps and we need to support the team in any way we can.

wirelessdude01

muddle84 wrote: »

Pretty sure it was the same problem for him when he left the panel the last time too. I thought he had left it this time because of covid!

Officially the story was that it was a year away with college/work but really think that perhaps he needed a break from the intensity. He hints that he struggles to compartmentalise things and talks about trying to get out of his head to try and rationalise things. I suspect we'll never see him at IC level again.

muddle84

km79 wrote: »

I read an article in the independent today and was shocked by it
I thought he had just taken the opportunity to take a year off from it
Reading the article I don’t think he will be back. A real eye opener for many regarding the sacrifices they all make for our enjoyment !

Pretty sure it was the same problem for him when he left the panel the last time too. I thought he had left it this time because of covid!

charlie14

seligehgit wrote: »

He'll most certainly be in the mix to be introduced.He's got the physicality and aerial ability.Big call to start him.He's relatively inexperienced/untested and has had occasional on field discipline issues.

Can Matthew Ruane and Conor Loftus win sufficient primary possession against Fenton and Howard?Great to have their mobility in the middle but if you do not have the ball..

It may be a day for horses for courses with Aidan O`Shea having to revert to midfield which would be a shame as he could create havoc in that Dublin back-line.
Cluxton will hit whatever he aims at and Dublin will push up to make Clarke go long, so Mayo cannot leave Fenton and Howard unchallenged height-wise around midfield.

km79

https://fb.watch/2h59Junvtq/

It has begun

Up Shrule

Sorry

Not sorry

km79

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Anyone else listen to the Bernard Brogan podcast this week where Jack McCaffrey told us why he quit the Dublin panel?

More or less said that he gained no enjoyment from it and that te fun was gone out of it.

I read an article in the independent today and was shocked by it
I thought he had just taken the opportunity to take a year off from it
Reading the article I don’t think he will be back. A real eye opener for many regarding the sacrifices they all make for our enjoyment !

wirelessdude01

Anyone else listen to the Bernard Brogan podcast this week where Jack McCaffrey told us why he quit the Dublin panel?

More or less said that he gained no enjoyment from it and that te fun was gone out of it.

Blackjack

seligehgit wrote: »

If anybody wants to make a donation to the training fund there's a link here.

https://mayogaa.com/donate/

Needed in these tough times. Not a great time of year to be asking, but if people were to consider what they would spend on a ticket or tickets as well as additional spending it may be worth making some donation.

RedDevil55

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I don't think you could trust him to keep his discipline for a whole game. Also his 'powerful' running really isn't that impactful unless he is introduced as a sub. He really is a diesel engine rather than a sprinter.

Powerful running wouldn't have the same impact against Dublin either compared to lesser sides. We'll need a bit more finesse.

seligehgit

If anybody wants to make a donation to the training fund there's a link here.

https://mayogaa.com/donate/

wirelessdude01

Kevhog1988 wrote: »

Would jordan flynn be in the mix for the final at all? Hes a powerful runner and could cause dublin issues if he goes out and plays his own game

I don't think you could trust him to keep his discipline for a whole game. Also his 'powerful' running really isn't that impactful unless he is introduced as a sub. He really is a diesel engine rather than a sprinter.

Blackjack

Panrich wrote: »

I like Jordan Flynn and he has a bit of mongrel in there that not too many others of our squad have. That might be a danger starting him against the Dubs as I'm sure that they'd wind him up before too long. He got a few needless cards in the league and I don't think we have a hope if we have a man down for 10 minutes (or longer).

If I recall the cards he got in the league were harsh, and in my view applied on reputation rather than what the transgression had merited.

Panrich

seligehgit wrote: »

He'll most certainly be in the mix to be introduced.He's got the physicality and aerial ability.Big call to start him.He's relatively inexperienced/untested and has had occasional on field discipline issues.

Can Matthew Ruane and Conor Loftus win sufficient primary possession against Fenton and Howard?Great to have their mobility in the middle but if you do not have the ball..

I like Jordan Flynn and he has a bit of mongrel in there that not too many others of our squad have. That might be a danger starting him against the Dubs as I'm sure that they'd wind him up before too long. He got a few needless cards in the league and I don't think we have a hope if we have a man down for 10 minutes (or longer).

seligehgit

Kevhog1988 wrote: »

Would jordan flynn be in the mix for the final at all? Hes a powerful runner and could cause dublin issues if he goes out and plays his own game

He'll most certainly be in the mix to be introduced.He's got the physicality and aerial ability.Big call to start him.He's relatively inexperienced/untested and has had occasional on field discipline issues.

Can Matthew Ruane and Conor Loftus win sufficient primary possession against Fenton and Howard?Great to have their mobility in the middle but if you do not have the ball..

Kevhog1988

Would jordan flynn be in the mix for the final at all? Hes a powerful runner and could cause dublin issues if he goes out and plays his own game

Blackjack

seligehgit wrote: »

That's right Leeroy's infamous kickout in the drawn game!

Cormac Reilly was on the sideline that day, nearest that incident as I recall.

seligehgit

Blackjack wrote: »

I wouldn't have said he was pernickety to be fair. All his calls were correct as far as I could see. There's rarely any controversy when he's involved, aside from the Kerry Dublin game where he clearly couldn't see the foul by Kevin McManamon on Peter Crowley in the 2016 semi final.

As for Coldrick, I recall he reffed the 2014 Drawn Semi Final vs Kerry, and the 2016 Semi Final vs Tipp. Other than that I can't recall.

That's right Leeroy's infamous kickout in the drawn game!