ChewBerecca wrote: » Its a little repetitive seeing all of my posts replied to with the same phrases instead of any further debate/opinion so I'll do everyone a favour a leave it be.
phog wrote: » I didn't say they wouldn't train...
If Limerick lost the S/final I'm 100% sure the hurlers wouldn't have trained on Sunday
ChewBerecca wrote: » That's the beauty of optics, 360 degree view. I get a lot of people disagree with me, which is grand, but as a woman who has been told before "sorry girls the boys need the pitch more" it was disappointing to see it play out again at a national level, and for the decision to be defended by men, predominantly. I've actually yet to see another woman publicly defend Limericks conditional booking (unless I'm getting genders completely arsiways here).
ChewBerecca wrote: » The hurlers were expecting to train until the end of the season, win or lose, because they lost so much of 2020 to lockdown and the league isn't far off (source, one of the team). I'm not bending a story any which way, I'm debating the optics for Limerick in a sport known for gender bias. As you seem to have never heard of optics based on your replies to my posts, its worth a Google.
Insect Overlord wrote: » The problem with your optics is that you must be looking at them from a really weird angle...
phog wrote: » You seem to want to blame the county board and will turn the story any which way but back to the organisation that booked it knowing there was a condition on booking it and also knowing that if the ground became unavailable they'd have to move - something the football assoc weren't prepared for. If Limerick lost the S/final I'm 100% sure the hurlers wouldn't have trained on Sunday.
ChewBerecca wrote: » As you say, the hurling team requested the grounds and it was agreed they could have them, so the question still stands: why weren't the grounds booked for the hurling team outright? A field isn't schrodingers cat, it shouldnt sit in a state of unknown until an event occurs that determines its fate, its either available or booked. And if its booked, a scheduled event shouldn't be accepted (conditional or not) for an overlapping timeslot. Its doubtful the hurlers would have let the training session booking go to waste even if they weren't in the final, so why couldn't the grounds be booked outright during a time of no ticket sales so therefore no risk of lost revenue by turning down a scheduled fixture over a training session?
Its doubtful the hurlers would have let the training session booking go to waste even if they weren't in the final
phog wrote: » Limerick hurlers asked the county board to make the grounds available to them in the event that they got through to the final. In the meantime, the ladies football association looked for the grounds, they're informed that if the hurlers are successful in getting through to the final then the ground WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE and they still went and booked it. There's only one organisation I blame for that and it certainly isn't the county board.
ChewBerecca wrote: » Never claimed to be an expert, just debating the optics for Limerick. The conditional booking was described by one journalist as something they'd see used when the U13s chance their arm at booking the better pitch the weekend of a senior county final, not something they'd expect to be used for a national level game, or allowed by the GAA. Limerick and the GAA pledged towards 20x20, so by not allowing the womens semi final a secure booking (again, they should have rejected outright if they couldn't follow through), they are contradicting their pledge to actively combat gender inequality in sport and provide access to facilities to the national level LGFA/Camogie teams when available. Limerick were within their right to book the pitch for training, and I'm not saying the LGFA are perfect (or even sometimes functional) but when we're seeing training being prioritised over national semi finals, for a booking made weeks in advance, its time the GAA/LGFA/Camogie review what clubs/counties are allowed to include in terms and conditions and how to ensure competitive match fixture bookings become final. Adding gender into the mix makes it even worse as female teams consistently lose pitch priority over men, but purely for player welfare they should be allowed the certainty of knowing where they are playing when the fixture locations are announced.
kilburn wrote: » It's closed since the start of the year I believe
JamesBond2010 wrote: Lads when did the actual shop/building in Tesco petrol station close ?? only saw it this evening Total different name on the station and all.
Treepole wrote: » Reading this and your other comments on the matter you obviously have very little idea what you are talking about.
Berty wrote: » Buzz or something was it?
johnnyryan89 wrote: » Any remember an arcade that used be on O'Connell St, where the Vodafone shop is and what it was possibly called?
ChewBerecca wrote: » Interesting to see if Limerick CB can deflect the farce that occurred with the womens match if Limerick win. How do you manage to allow a pitch to be booked for a national qualifier, knowing full well you'll need it the same day for training, in a time with no ticket sales? Its like someone was trying to hedge their bets, if Limerick didn't get into the All Ireland at least they'd get something for hosting the LGFA.
Clareman wrote: » I think this match shouldn't have been brought to Dublin at all, Ennis would have suited both teams but there was probably a reason for that as well.
phog wrote: » None of this is on the Limerick County Board, a lot of it is more of the same amateurism from the ladies football association.
ChewBerecca wrote: » It was such bad form that the match was brought forward and Galway only found out when they were 50 minutes away. Most of the team were travelling separately so I've heard it took a while to get through to everyone, hence why they only got to Croke Park so late. Cork as well had to wait on the pitch, unsure if it was going ahead or not and then it couldn't be televised because the changes were so last minute TG4 couldn't arrange everything to covid standards. If it was a mens match, the pitch inspection would have been earlier and the Mayo fixture would have been delayed to allow Galway time to warm up, or else it would have been rescheduled.
ChewBerecca wrote: » Its an amateur sport run by volunteers, amateurish is its definition. I didn't miss your point about the kids Christmas party. A competitive fixture in a national league that teams and backroom staff spent weeks preparing for should be viewed with more respect and levity than a training session where the home team have multiple alternative stadiums to train in within an hours drive. The HC is a massive earner for hotels and could be a week/months worth of takings in a night. The hotels hedge their bets by taking Christmas party bookings in case Munster don't get through. In this case, the training session was seen as the HC match, rather than the actual semi final game. Which indicates Limerick view the womens semi final as a kids Christmas party that can be held elsewhere using your analogy. The events that followed would be akin to moving your Christmas party to another hotel, finding out its flooded and you need to move again, Santa broke down on the way there, and the food only coming in the last 10 minutes you've the venue booked for. This is about respecting the leagues in the Gaelic Games. A semi final, no matter if its hurling, football, mens, ladies, shouldn't be shunted out of a venue to facilitate a training session. And especially not last minute when it was clear Limerick had a good chance at making the final early in the season.
Clareman wrote: » Personally I think it is very bad form BUT the booking was made with the condition being called our well in advance, Dublin was chosen as the next neutral venue (I would have thought Ennis would have been a better fit) but when Parnell Park wasn't available then Croke Park was made available, now I might be foolish but I would have thought that of being given the choice of Gaelic Grounds, Parnell Park or Croke Park that EVERY player would pick Croke Park.
phog wrote: » Limerick Count Board made it known that if they get through to the final they would want the ground - the reason why they needed it is irrelevant. Why would anyone go ahead and book the ground with that condition. Amateurish at best. You've completely missed the point I was making about our S&S Club
ChewBerecca wrote: » A training session was given precedence over a scheduled competitive fixture. Which everything aside, is bonkers for sport run mainly on a volunteer basis, when titles are all the players have to work towards. We could ask how did Limerick not foresee the hurling team was going to make the final and therefore need the grounds? Its not as if they would have lost the revenue of ticket sales by rejecting the semi final booking. If anything, had ticket sales been allowed, they probably would have made more money allowing people in to see Limerick train. The teams thought Limerick would respect the importance of their semi final by allowing them to use the pitch they had booked. Instead it was pulled out last minute and triggered a series of unfortunate events.
The Heineken Cup is a professional tournament, with teams of logistical experts to resolve any last minute cancellations and pools of funds to legally secure venues, the GAA/LGFA is volunteers. Its not easy to compare the two when one is a multi million euro professional organisation and the other is made up of people with other day jobs.
phog wrote: » The county board? How do you make out that they are anyway responsible for the farce? They had one condition on the booking of the ground ad the ladies football assoc still went ahead and booked it. Unbelievable stuff from them. Our Sports and Social club book a venue every year for the Children's Christmas Party. We book it early in the year & before the H/Cup rugby fixtures are announced so if the venue we're looking at has a clause that they want it available if we clash with home Munster match then we just move on and book somewhere else. How did the Ladies Football Assoc not foresee the probability of Limerick getting through to the All Ireland Final. Then, to make matters worse, when they knew the venue wasn't available to them they didn't look at Thurles/Ennis as an option but moved the game to Dublin.
