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M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]

BluntGuy

The new M20 motorway inbetween Cork and Limerick. I've heard that there are many people that feel it's rather unnecessary considering the traffic volume.

I personally believe if they're going to upgrade the N20 route, they may as well use the safest long-term solution, which of course is a direct motorway link. But what do you all think?

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neddynasty

rounders wrote: »

Covid. They are doing consultations over the phone and video call if you want one. There will be no in person ones or at least there is no plan at the moment unless a lot changes in the next month

Will be interesting to see if there is more or less feedback because it's virtual. I'm not sure I'd have known about it other than this thread.

rounders

neddynasty wrote: »

Will be interesting to see if there is more or less feedback because it's virtual. I'm not sure I'd have known about it other than this thread.

Having the map available online is definitely an improvement on the one page flyer they sent out last time but yes I fear a lot of people don't know about it

JamesBond2010

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Cork Trucker

I get the feeling that the 'M20 Steering Group' has been formed.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/M20-route-option-could-decimate-local-connectivity-say-residents-in-the-area-f97e60cd-5177-4766-ae62-fe872057aa09-ds#.X8_gWA9dEzg.twitter

The proposed M20 route that follows the N20 route is being strongly opposed by hundreds of Whitechurch residents who say the motorway could potentially rip communities apart and destroy family homes and farms.

A newly formed action group has been actively engaging on social media and through virtual meetings since the public consultation on the new motorway opened on November 19, 2020.

marno21

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I get the feeling that the 'M20 Steering Group' has been formed.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/M20-route-option-could-decimate-local-connectivity-say-residents-in-the-area-f97e60cd-5177-4766-ae62-fe872057aa09-ds#.X8_gWA9dEzg.twitter

This shouldn't be too much of an issue. It's the blue (offline) route south of Mallow they are taking issue with. It would be daft if the existing N20 south of Mallow wasn't an online upgrade. It's a 15m+ wide road in places with earthworks complete. The alternative would be ferociously expensive.

Cork Trucker

marno21 wrote: »

This shouldn't be too much of an issue. It's the blue (offline) route south of Mallow they are taking issue with. It would be daft if the existing N20 south of Mallow wasn't an online upgrade. It's a 15m+ wide road in places with earthworks complete. The alternative would be ferociously expensive.

I agree with what you’re saying, it’s wide enough in many places. Are they basically stating their case to keep it online? This thing will be costly enough without legal challenges

marno21

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I agree with what you’re saying, it’s wide enough in many places. Are they basically stating their case to keep it online? This thing will be costly enough without legal challenges

The 2010 routing kept the M20 on the existing road alignment from south of HERE.

I would imagine something similar this time with some minor diversions in places. This would render the Whitechurch objection moot as they are objecting to the alternative route south of here rather than the motorway itself.

Isambard

if it's online, then surely it would not split communities and would be an improvement to now as suitable bridges and underpasses would have to be installed , which would keep their local journeys off the main roads

cjpm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I agree with what you’re saying, it’s wide enough in many places. Are they basically stating their case to keep it online? This thing will be costly enough without legal challenges

The first paragraph of the article is completely wrong. They are supporting an online upgrade, as proposed in 2010, not opposed to it. Read the full piece.

Its actually shambollic journalism to have such a massive mistake in the opening paragraph of an article.

cjpm

Isambard wrote: »

if it's online, then surely it would not split communities and would be an improvement to now as suitable bridges and underpasses would have to be installed , which would keep their local journeys off the main roads

None of the local communities between Cork and Mallow are opposed to the online upgrade (2010 design) as its such an improvement on the existing N20. I heard that there is huge opposition to the Navy Route.

cjpm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I get the feeling that the 'M20 Steering Group' has been formed. What makes me laugh......

It’s a public consultation. People are entitled to canvass for support for or against a particular route.
Completely different to a few NIMBYs taking legal challenges to a selected route.

E36Ross

Just been looking, Is they're any semi-detailed proposed routes? (Roughly the townlands they plan to go through?)

Or do they first decide on which route and then plan it after that?

cjpm

E36Ross wrote: »

Just been looking, Is they're any semi-detailed proposed routes? (Roughly the townlands they plan to go through?)

Or do they first decide on which route and then plan it after that?

There is an online map that shows 2 500m wide corridors.
Www.corklimerick.ie

Cork Trucker

cjpm wrote: »

It’s a public consultation. People are entitled to canvass for support for or against a particular route.
Completely different to a few NIMBYs taking legal challenges to a selected route.

Trucker you’re a great poster, but it’s bad form to go publishing their spokespersons details. Maybe you should consider editing the post. IMHO

Edited.
However I have no control over any quotes other than original post.

cjpm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Edited.
However I have no control over any quotes that fbyhe original post.

Fair play. We are all frustrated with the state of Cork roads but it must be 1000 times worse for truck drivers.

steeler j

It looks like they are for the road and 1 particular route which is ,which is what the consultanion are for ,so not overly worried at the moment

Cork Trucker

cjpm wrote: »

Fair play. We are all frustrated with the state of Cork roads but it must be 1000 times worse for truck drivers.

It is. I remember one time being stuck in traffic when heading back to the depot in Mallow to finish a shift, there was a car crash involving 3 vehicles between Ballygibbon & Rathduff, the delay was over 1 hour stuck in traffic due to diversions, stop/go etc. Frustrated is definitely one way to describe it, when it’s the main artery to/from work 5 days a week it’s a nightmare,

marno21

MOD: I have edited the post in question above.

On a side note, I should have stressed earlier that this remains a route selection exercise with a public consultation element. The Whitechurch objection is purely against the offline navy route, rather than the motorway itself. The online option didn't seem to cause much issue in that area in 2010 and is likely (imo) to be chosen again, so once the route options are chosen we can work from there. A quick look at the topography of the area and the benefits of reusing the existing N20 New Mallow Road would let you see why the 2010 routing would likely be chosen again.

Isambard

Cork Trucker wrote: »

It is. I remember one time being stuck in traffic when heading back to the depot in Mallow to finish a shift, there was a car crash involving 3 vehicles between Ballygibbon & Rathduff, the delay was over 1 hour stuck in traffic due to diversions, stop/go etc. Frustrated is definitely one way to describe it, when it’s the main artery to/from work 5 days a week it’s a nightmare,

wait until they start building it. I recall suffering the Nenagh bypass rebuilding to motorway standard online and it wasn't a picnic.

Bass Reeves

Isambard wrote: »

wait until they start building it. I recall suffering the Nenagh bypass rebuilding to motorway standard online and it wasn't a picnic.

All because Tipp Co Council who did the by pass refused to do as requested by the NRA

Limerick74

Bass Reeves wrote: »

All because Tipp Co Council who did the by pass refused to do as requested by the NRA

Can you please explain what you mean by the above post? Limerick were the lead authority for this project so not sure what Tipperrary could have done against the wishes of the NRA.

Cookiemunster

Limerick74 wrote: »

Can you please explain what you mean by the above post? Limerick were the lead authority for this project so not sure what Tipperrary could have done against the wishes of the NRA.

Think he's talking about the original bypass when built in the late 90s.

Cork Trucker

Isambard wrote: »

wait until they start building it. I recall suffering the Nenagh bypass rebuilding to motorway standard online and it wasn't a picnic.

I've never been to Nenagh :pac:

On a serious note though i can only imagine as it sounds similar to what happened with Watergrasshill when the bypass was "robbed" as some of the locals said in 2008

Isambard

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I've never been to Nenagh :pac:

On a serious note though i can only imagine as it sounds similar to what happened with Watergrasshill when the bypass was "robbed" as some of the locals said in 2008

completely off topic but last time I was that way, the village street had been re-opened to through traffic, rendering the expensive local bypasses pretty much redundant

Cork Trucker

Isambard wrote: »

completely off topic but last time I was that way, the village street had been re-opened to through traffic, rendering the expensive local bypasses pretty much redundant

I agree, it is. Waste of money then.

Ball boy

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hans aus dtschl

Isambard wrote: »

completely off topic but last time I was that way, the village street had been re-opened to through traffic, rendering the expensive local bypasses pretty much redundant

It's still fairly heavily used at "commute hours".
A steady stream of cars southbound in the morning, from Rathcormac/Bartlemy direction. Toll dodgers use this route too, they don't go through the village, which loses priority for them and has traffic lights.

Definitely not redundant or a waste of money, as far as I'm concerned. It's performing its function. I use it reasonably often.

Limerick74

No to Navy group getting organised https://www.facebook.com/194278177271109/posts/3950836364948586/?vh=e&d=n

spacetweek

cjpm wrote: »

There is an online map that shows 2 500m wide corridors.
Www.corklimerick.ie

Cant find a recent route options map on that site - last one seems to be from May 2020. Can you guide me please?
I already have a link to the options on pinpointcloud.co.uk

Flesh Gorden

Isambard wrote: »

completely off topic but last time I was that way, the village street had been re-opened to through traffic, rendering the expensive local bypasses pretty much redundant

I find it a busy route with the HGVs going down to the Kepak factory, or the HGVs coming off the motorway to Tarrant in Sarsfield Court. Also Prompto Dispatch who are about 1Km off that road. All of which is traffic that could easily block up the main street, as is seen when the Centra is getting a delivery.