Star Trek Discovery Season 3 [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

Evade wrote: »

Quid pro quo for waived service/repair costs etc. Sisko brings it up at one point, I think it's when Quark sort of sells weapons from his holosuites.

Well there's the overall thing yes but where did the characters get money from I meant.

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Well there's the overall thing yes but where did the characters get money from I meant.

It's one of the many half thought out issues in Trek.
I choose to believe they are given a wage for dealing with non federation people.

Bobtheman

breezy1985 wrote: »

But do you think it is reductive to try show that larger people can be in Starfleet and then have her panting after a bit of a run or whatever while all the skinny people round her are fine

No I would not agree with that. I don't regard her as over weight . I know many people of her shape who would not be out of breath after a run. But I'm still glad she is there. She is an insecure as the rest to my mind. Likeable character.

Bobtheman wrote: »

No I would not agree with that. I don't regard her as over weight jl.

Well the writers do

Bobtheman

breezy1985 wrote: »

Well the writers do

Do you think so ? I never really thought about it. Hollywood still has a way to go on terms of fully embracing everyone but I hope they don't go over board. You notice that on a lot of TV they seem to always think they have to have a gay character despite only 10% of the population being gay. However if the gay community feels it helps then perhaps that's no harm - to over represent them. Given history.
However the fact remains that hollywood will continue to hire mainly good looking thin people
Look at the inclusion of seven of 9 did for voyager .

Bobtheman

The media play a double game. Throwing thin as the norm all the time.
Portraying women sexually and men too.
Then saying decrying lack of diversity or telling us to be accepting of ourselves or trying to tell us that celebrities have body shame issues too etc etc
Switch facebook off and the rest would solve a lot of problems. Ban them.

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Bobtheman wrote: »

No I would not agree with that. I don't regard her as over weight . I know many people of her shape who would not be out of breath after a run. But I'm still glad she is there. She is an insecure as the rest to my mind. Likeable character.

Whatever about the character, she is clearly overweight. Even more so in the third series.

Bobtheman wrote: »

Look at the inclusion of seven of 9 did for voyager .

In fairness I know she was meant to just be eye candy but she turned out to be the shows best actor and character

PhiloCypher

Nody wrote: »

It's good to excellent as long as you don't mind old style CGI. It's ok, not horrible bad but low res stuff etc. Be warned it's a slow burner in the first season but it do pick up speed from the second season forward and as any series it has it's set of filler episodes. The over all arch runs nicely imo and once the arc kicks off properly it's excellent. The character development for everyone is not earth shattering but it does it's job to push the story forward and overall it's enjoyable.

In regards to the movies, yea, not something I'd recommend unless you're a hardcore BS5 fan honestly.

I always found the cheaper sets more jarring then the low res cgi tbh. Great show all the same .

Bobtheman wrote: »

No I would not agree with that. I don't regard her as over weight . I know many people of her shape who would not be out of breath after a run. But I'm still glad she is there. She is an insecure as the rest to my mind. Likeable character.

I'm fine with a young ensign being constantly insecure, a first officer? Very much less so.

She is deffo overweight, being out of breath or otherwise is irrelevant imo.

Bobtheman wrote: »

You notice that on a lot of TV they seem to always think they have to have a gay character despite only 10% of the population being gay.

Discovery has at least 3 gay characters (Stamets, Culber, Reno) and 3 more bi/trans/other (Georgiou, Adira, Gray)

So thats 6 out of the 12 or so characters we are supposed to care about (and considering we dont know very much about some of the others, it wouldnt surprise me if they also turned out not straight)

Goodshape

That's good. I've always kinda believed more people would be "bisexual" – or, more to the point, just not care – if it weren't for current social norms.

You're looking at the crew and putting them into boxes - 3 gays, 1 bi, a trans, an "other" - but I don't remember that rollcall on the show. Maybe a few hundred or a thousand years from now, they're just people.

Goodshape wrote: »

That's good. I've always kinda believed more people would be "bisexual" – or, more to the point, just not care – if it weren't for current social norms.

You're looking at the crew and putting them into boxes - 3 gays, 1 bi, a trans, an "other" - but I don't remember that rollcall on the show. Maybe a few hundred or a thousand years from now, they're just people.

I'm not assigning boxes though, the show is, each of the characters I've listed above have been open about their sexuality, the show producers have explicitly told us they were gay/bi/whatever, this isn't my interpretation!

PhiloCypher

I think an argument could be made that given how much the cultural landscape changed between Ent & Discovery, that the writers wrongly(imo) felt they had to catch up on 12 years of social progress in one show . When perhaps, given how many spin offs are in the works, they could have spread the representation out across the Pike and section 31 spin offs.

Now saying all that, a surfeit of minority representation is the least of Discovery's problems. Which have more to do with the perfect storm of its lower decks concept, arc plotting and a shorter season meaning a certain character dominates what few episodes we get.

GreeBo wrote: »

I'm not assigning boxes though, the show is, each of the characters I've listed above have been open about their sexuality, the show producers have explicitly told us they were gay/bi/whatever, this isn't my interpretation!

I’ve noticed that they are segregating the cast into groups as the show goes on, maybe it’s just me but all the lgbtq characters are one core group and then there’s Burnham and book ,straight and black and then there’s the rest, the one liners.

corkie

Gender Identity Issues in Star Trek Discovery vs TNG / TOS

Why are people so caught up in the gender identity and or the sexuality of the actors/actress?

As I'm posting might as well share this here as well: -

{YouTube: Jessie Gender} Star Trek Discovery | Interview with Gray, Ian Alexander | TRANSGENDER REP & MORE

corkie wrote: »

Gender Identity Issues in Star Trek Discovery vs TNG / TOS

Why are people so caught up in the gender identity and or the sexuality of the actors/actress?

As I'm posting might as well share this here as well: -

{YouTube: Jessie Gender} Star Trek Discovery | Interview with Gray, Ian Alexander | TRANSGENDER REP & MORE

Because I’m my view they do so badly and only pay lip service to the concept. Even looking there at the interview clips with will Wheaton, he is just dropping words in a tick box exercise. The story portrays discovery as a ship of misfits. Has Hollywood really done an about turn since TNG and the issue raised by Gates McFadden, I doubt it there trying to sell use something that makes it seem like they have learned the lessons of the me too movement.

corkie wrote: »

Why are people so caught up in the gender identity and or the sexuality of the actors/actress?

It's the characters people are talking about, I don't believe anyone gives a fiddlers about the actors themselves.

Its just one more thing that, for me anyway, takes me out of the plot and into "ugh, why are they doing this?"

GreeBo wrote: »

It's the characters people are talking about, I don't believe anyone gives a fiddlers about the actors themselves.

Its just one more thing that, for me anyway, takes me out of the plot and into "ugh, why are they doing this?"

You just want TV to be straight white people like when you were a kid. Don't pretend it's about anything other than that

breezy1985 wrote: »

You just want TV to be straight white people like when you were a kid. Don't pretend it's about anything other than that

Oh damn, you like totally caught me out!
In my terror I have just spilt some earl grey on my Nazi uniform.

EltonJohn69

I JUST REALISED THAT THE ADMIRAL IS THE GIGOLO FROM DEUCE BIGALOW MALE GIGOLO !!! DO YOU RECKON HE IS GOING TO GET THE G STRING OUT AND HIT THE STRIPPER POLE TO SAVE THE UNIVERSE IN THE FINAL EPISODE ????

Baggly

Stop shouting.

And yes.

TheValeyard

New use for programmable matter.

Baggly wrote: »

Stop shouting.

And yes.

Don't be ridiculous, this is Star Trek: Discovery!:eek:

Clearly Burnham will do any pole dancing that is required to save the universe.:rolleyes:

CastorTroy

As if Burnham would lower herself to pole dancing.

She'll discover that the mysterious music actually enables poles to dance by themselves, thus saving the universe.

corkie

David Cronenberg on His Mysterious ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Role: ‘I Still Haven’t Figured Everything Out’ (EXCLUSIVE)

"While Cronenberg isn’t sure what his next directing project will be — he says he’s seeking to finance three projects he’s written, two features and one series — he does know what his next acting gig will be. Variety can exclusively report that along with appearing in more episodes in Season 3 of “Discovery,” Cronenberg will return to for Season 4."

So appearing more in discovery, kind rules out an ongoing role or appearance in S31 Show.

pixelburp

A candid "why not?" from Cronenberg; his presence has been very weird and unexpected, in a good way.

Finished up episode 8 there last night, another solid episode if never properly flirting with being actually excellent. Which has been the case throughout the season; but on thinking of the series as a whole this is the first run that has felt consistent. One single purpose and direction, come what may. As opposed to the chaotic first season, or second that was marginally less so. I watch it without that lingering sense of "now what??"

pixelburp wrote: »

A candid "why not?" from Cronenberg; his presence has been very weird and unexpected, in a good way.

Finished up episode 8 there last night, another solid episode if never properly flirting with being actually excellent. Which has been the case throughout the season; but on thinking of the series as a whole this is the first run that has felt consistent. One single purpose and direction, come what may. As opposed to the chaotic first season, or second that was marginally less so. I watch it without that lingering sense of "now what??"

I’d agree it was a solid unflush-able captains log of an episode.

I find the over acting in the mirror universe too much.
Every camera angle has some one with a malevolent sneer, it's like watching some evil Disney witch.

Evil Burnham might as well be a snake they way she slithers about in every scene...it's just too much to be believable.

As for the plot... Wouldn't Culber be more useful to georgiou rather than a science officer? I guess that would require an episode that wasn't Burnham centric.

The admiral is turning into a bit of a hollow character, from a good start he now just does what Burnham wants. I'm also not sure why Saru would bring Burnham to that meeting with the admiral...?

I'm eager to understand what's going on with the Discovery computer and where they are going to take it.