blanch152 wrote: » Stop the economic direction we have been taking???? We are one of the richest countries in the world. We have the highest social welfare benefits in the EU with the lowest personal taxes thanks to the ability of successive governments to attract foreign investment. And you want to change this?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Criticise away christy. I'm sure if I see some illegimate criticism I'll comment.
blanch152 wrote: » What you mean is that all you can do is peddle the same lies about our economic performance that the non-accountant Pearse did, but can’t defend them from any scrutiny.
christy c wrote: » I wasn't asking for your permission, I was asking if you saw any legitimate criticism?
FrancieBrady wrote: » I see loads of criticism of him. I responded to it earlier, tracking it back to when he was the good Shinner.
FrancieBrady wrote: » All you can do is say we are rich and look the other way. 'Let them eat cakeism'. Fight your ground with someone else. Not interested.
christy c wrote: » Which of it is legitimate in your opinion? Dont remember you saying which.
FrancieBrady wrote: » He comes across as being angry sometimes. Maybe a bit aloof and too serious. Not sure what you are looking for here.
FrancieBrady wrote: » That kind of defence actually makes me want to get sick. Not engaging with it. If you can't see the issues then no point talking to you.
christy c wrote: » Really? I am asking if you can see any criticism of him as being legitimate? As I said, I voted for FG but acknowledge criticism if their housing policy as legitimate. You might say, I voted for SF but see criticism of his support for Syriza as legitimate.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I said criticise away at his policy promises. I don't pay a pile of attention to them.
christy c wrote: » Do you agree with those criticisms? If you are not paying attention to policy promises how did you settle on SF? Rather than PBP, or soc dems for example.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I settled on the credible challenger. There are no Soc Dems candidates here and the PBP candidate was well up my voting card. Trust me, if they don't perform they don't get my vote again.
christy c wrote: » How did you determine they were credible? Did you see Aontu, Renua as credible?
Bubbaclaus wrote: » Blows my mind that someone can vote for a party and post literally thousands of times on boards defending them, yet admits to having no idea what their policies are and doesn't read their election manifestos.
Hubertj wrote: » What will Brian Stanley do? Will he resign or be removed as PAC chairman? Why did he delete his social media accounts? Is there other stuff he posted?
FrancieBrady wrote: » I watch them working here..,involved in everything, support everything, first to get their hands dirty, lack of waffle, have been on too many committees and such to not see who is in it for party or themselves tbh. I satisfied myself they had lived up to the obligations in the GFA and that they were committed to it. I admired what McG and Adams delivered there...not so much delivering the agreement but delivering the movement. I believed it was intractable...I was 10 in 1970 btw, so lived as an teenager and adult through most of it. Said I'll take a punt on that after the New Politics swindle. Couldn't possibly be any worse for somebody who lived through all those years on this island. How did you rationalise the New Politics swindle christy? Why are you not voting for somebody who will change things...are you indulging a bit of 'I'm alright Jack'? I mean, if you are as cynical as you say you are you could at least salve your conscience, as that is all I am doing. One vote isn't going to change things much.
Ireland2020 wrote: » The largest party on the island. One of the big 2 parties with FF in the 26 now since the election. SF don't need much luck, alls going good
christy c wrote: » Fair enough reasons, other than the lack of waffle which is laughable. However how you could vote for someone without paying attention to their policies is beyond me. As regards how do I justify my voting? Best of a bad lot, told you already that I find Irish politics depressing. Id love change, but i would like change for the better, not rubbish like "your pension at 65". Voting for parties like SF who promise absolutely mental economic policies would do nothing for my conscience. As someone said, you vote for FF and FG in the hope they do what they promise, you vote for SF in the hope they won't do what they promise.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You find politics depressing, would like change, but keep voting for the same thing. Ok, it's not how roll. I think the owned vote is part of the problem that developed in Irish politics too. It's how the two parties that are essentially the same to relax in the comfort that they are swapping it between themselves. Not healthy.
Solutionking wrote: » Other stuff and it was been brought up so cut the social media. I doubt he will resign. SF are hiding him for a week and will be desperate to try change the story so they can sneak him back in. Expect them to go on a full on campaign this week, maybe another no confidence vote:P
Bonniedog wrote: » Not so sure. Ó Bróin sounded on TWIP that he would be happier if Stanley did not make any statement. Which to me implies that perhaps he might not "go gently unto that dark night." He's already apologised for the IRA tweet. Now they want him to resign from PAC over a silly - but hardly a hate - tweet. Wouldnt' be at all surprised if the boys in the backroom want him to step down to save their credability among the snowflakes, quite a number of whom have already resigned from SF over this.
Solutionking wrote: » Which SF TD are you talking about out of interest?
christy c wrote: » I would like change for the better, so I won't be voting for parties such as SF who promise to make things worse IMO. Therefore I will keep voting for what I deem the best (of a bad lot) until I see better. Do you understand, even though you don't agree with it?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Ever hear of doing something tough to get someone to up their game? Instead of the negative reaction to being challenged and the dirty politics, that's all these lads have to do. Be better. I get your attitude and you are entitled to it. Just wondering about the rationale.
