bubblypop wrote: » Thank you. There are over 70 countries in the world where it is illegal to be homosexual. That's a lot of gay people living in fear with their human rights infringed.
V8 Interceptor wrote: » The lads get 30 virgins, what do they get?
jmreire wrote: » They are not worried about dying either, actually death and martyrdom are welcomed by them.
Deleted User wrote: » Or "In reality, women in ISIS hold a variety of roles, from assisting in the captivity of other women belonging to religious minorities, to controlling a local police brigade aimed at enforcing adherence to ISIS’ harsh interpretation of Shariah law. Our collective understanding of women’s participation in insurgent violence has been compromised by positive security bias, or the notion that women are less capable of violence in conflict than men, as well as a lack of gendered analysis through which we understand insurgencies. Nowhere is this failure more profound than the designation of women ISIS members as ‘jihadi brides.’" This could also be considered Islamic feminism...
Gervais08 wrote: » A cousin left the priesthood and the only negative reaction was his aunt never spoke to him for three months. Imagine even saying you were thinking of leaving Islam ? Slightly worse reaction there!!!
bubblypop wrote: » . I have attended pride parades in Muslim countries, including Muslim lgbtq people.
[Deleted User] wrote: » How nice for you. "In Iran today, lavat (sodomy) is a capital offence and people are frequently executed for it. In Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen and Mauritania, sodomy is also punishable by death – though no executions have been reported for at least a decade. Among other Arab countries, the penalty in Algeria, Bahrain, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Somalia, Tunisia and Syria is imprisonment – up to 10 years in the case of Bahrain. In those that have no specific law against homosexuality, gay people may still be prosecuted under other laws. In Egypt, for example, an old law against “debauchery” is often used."
bubblypop wrote: » I recognise that there are plenty of Muslims in the world who practise a more a la carte form of their religion. Much the same as other religions. I have attended pride parades in Muslim countries, including Muslim lgbtq people.
Gervais08 wrote: » Ah the old “attack the poster” - that says you’ve the strong argument there so.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Back to this again? The Roman Catholic Church hasn't been able to enforce it's will (when it actually agreed on it) since before I was born. There hasn't been a strong reaction to homosexuality in Europe due to Catholic beliefs in a long time. It just doesn't have the influence anymore. Islam... on the other hand, does. It's customs and beliefs are enforced. You do recognise the difference there?
bubblypop wrote: » I'm well aware thank you of the different waves of feminism. I suspect the poster I replied to is not.
biko wrote: » Iranian feminists are imprisoned for decades for fighting Islam and their government for forcing them to wear headscarves. That is feminism and bravery.
[Deleted User] wrote: » What is feminism though? Like, I've been watching the development of feminism all my life, and it's not one single form. We have, what, five waves at this stage? When people say 'you don't understand feminism', I suspect they have a rather shallow understanding of what feminism is. It's got layers of agendas, and objectives. Comparing first wave feminism with fifth wave feminism is like comparing a Birthday cake with a Nuclear device.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Not really.. sorry... but if you look at both Malaysia, and Indonesia, both of which are Muslim countries, and both of which, became quite prosperous with very enlightened policies towards women's rights.. (at least until the women decided and campaigned for more traditional practices to be brought back in). There will be feminist Muslim women... it just won't be western feminism. It'll be limited to the objectives of what these women want and feel that they can achieve.
bubblypop wrote: » Being homosexual is incompatible with Roman Catholic beliefs, yet plenty are.
Gervais08 wrote: » Sure there are feminist Muslim women - but in their own heads only.
bubblypop wrote: » You clearly don't understand feminism
TomTomTim wrote: » Maybe not, but I do know that it's incompatible with Islamic beliefs.
TomTomTim wrote: » A feminist Muslim woman is not a Muslim in any sort of serious sense. They might as well be a communist who supports capitalism
bubblypop wrote: » What about the feminist Muslim women who can decide for themselves? Why do you think that they are all told what to wear? Some intelligent feminist women are highly insulted when others try to tell them what they should think. Why do you think it matters which family you are more comfortable with? It says more about you, that you allow the clothes that other people wear to make you uncomfortable!
Mad_maxx wrote: » i dont like seeing a guy walking down the street wearing a shawl or whatever some arab men wear , nor do i like seeing muslim women covered up there is a lovely south asian family who have two kids in my sons school , they dress like everyone else and are very open and friendly , a delightful addition to the community , the other family have their sixth class daughter wearing the veil already i know which family im more comfortable with , now im not in favour of the state banning dress codes as thats over reach in my view but its time feminists in the media stopped ragging against " white straight males " and took up the fight for muslim women who appear subservient to their partners , thats real worthwhile feminism
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