The Vaccine

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You claimed that 1.5 mm haven't died globally due to Covid. How many have died and what is your source for that?

I don't know. The only thing I know is that a large percentage of the people who died with covid 19 would have died anyway.

GT89 wrote: »

I never said people should be concerned about taking the vaccine. I believe people should be free to make up their mind as to whether they wish to take the vaccine or not. There should be no laws requiring vaccinations in my opinion I think it should be illegal and classed as discrimination for any private business to require customers or employees to vaccinated.

Plenty of creches for example won't take children unless their vaccines are up to date. Cause it's a public health risk...

sabat wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code

The Nuremberg Code related to forced experimentation. A vaccine is not experimentation. It's tested and approved. But sure I'll just point you towards experts on medical ethics.

https://medicalethicshealthpolicy.med.upenn.edu/in-the-news/nuremberg-code-addresses-experimentation-not-vaccines

jelem wrote: »

already stated " change but not destroy" and even at zero they can still be changed as humans have only just reached knowledge of atoms at zero
which is not 100% correct hence the likes of cern etc.

None of this makes any sense.
I don't think you understand what you're talking about.
You have not quoted any law or explained what it has to do with the topic at hand.
I'm not sure you know what a virus is..

jelem wrote: »

just hate flamers whom try act like experts but fail to realise "only expert until new fact or construct"
just as bad as those whom take to comment on grammer of posts.
as stated read from many sources and disagree if wish and comment with what you have learnt.

Ok. Please show one of your sources.
Please provide the true death rate for the virus and provide the source you use to confirm this is true.
Then also provide the same for vaccines.
Then please show that the danger from vaccines is greater.

already stated " change but not destroy" and even at zero they can still be changed as humans have only just reached knowledge of atoms at zero
which is not 100% correct hence the likes of cern etc.
just hate flamers whom try act like experts but fail to realise "only expert until new fact or construct"
just as bad as those whom take to comment on grammer of posts.
as stated read from many sources and disagree if wish and comment with what you have learnt.

feedmindc19 wrote: »

Jelem I wouldn't waste my time responding to him the information is all there in the media ,he is either too lazy or closed minded . or possibly on a wind up, he just likes to keep calling people CT's from what I can see.

So then, no you cannot provide a more accurate figure for covid deaths.
You guys are running away from this point.
Great.

My point stands then completely unaddressed.

The death rate for covid is far higher than the rate of any side effects for vaccines.
It is higher by 4 orders of magnitude.

Yet you guys seem to be more concerned with the vaccine.

This is a contradiction.

Why are you concerned by something that is far far far less likely to harm you than covid?

feedmindc19

jelem wrote: »

cansay that for flu tetanus malaria (still no cure) etc.

And TB , which is still at large.

Jelem I wouldn't waste my time responding to him the information is all there in the media ,he is either too lazy or closed minded . or possibly on a wind up, he just likes to keep calling people CT's from what I can see.

As for vaccines they are rushed and no amount of back tracking and opologies from this guy will convince me otherwise.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55177948

jelem wrote: »

read and learn, dont as most rely on government to
validate either side of an issue.

Ok. Please supply the actual death rates for coivd and all vaccines and provide a source for these figures.

jelem wrote: »

go on tease, so what happen to atoms at absolute zero and what is that in kelvin.

lol.
I've asked you to quote the "law of atoms and chemistry" you are referring to.
I don't think you can.

And absolute zero is zero kelvin.
What has this to do with anything?

King Mob wrote: »

Sure I can.
The death rate of covid is far higher than the accumulated side effects of all vaccines.

Lol. Wut?

Please state the "law of atoms and chemistry" you are referring to.

cansay that for flu tetanus malaria (still no cure) etc.

King Mob wrote: »

Sure I can.
The death rate of covid is far higher than the accumulated side effects of all vaccines.

Lol. Wut?

Please state the "law of atoms and chemistry" you are referring to.

read and learn, dont as most rely on government to
validate either side of an issue.
go on tease, so what happen to atoms at absolute zero and what is that in kelvin.

jelem wrote: »

you have failed to read and learn from multiple sources, hence you cannot provide
a factual reason for trusting the big pharma and capitalist profit governments words.

Sure I can.
The death rate of covid is far higher than the accumulated side effects of all vaccines.

the basic law of atoms and chemistry shows they can be changed but not destroyed.

Lol. Wut?

Please state the "law of atoms and chemistry" you are referring to.

King Mob wrote: »

But that's not how covid deaths are determined.
You are simply making that up and lying.

It's very bizarre.

Do you have a more accurate figure for covid deaths? If so, please post it and the source.

Also, could you address the point I made in the post.
The number of deaths caused by covid are far higher than even all the combined side effects of all vaccines.
Yet you guys are saying that vaccines are more concerning than covid.
How does this make sense?

you have failed to read and learn from multiple sources, hence you cannot provide
a factual reason for trusting the big pharma and capitalist profit governments words.
the vaccine figures throughout the last 100 years show some success but that could be attributed
to the weaker dying off over time whilst vaccine giving minimal protection to those whom
would have survived..
show me how a vaccine removed a disease within say 5 or 10 years and you will fail.
whilst 95% is touted, this is a sales gimmic just like aids etc. which is still there in large
numbers. flu is not defeated as it mutates which actually may be aided by vaccine but you
would not be told. the basic law of atoms and chemistry shows they can be changed but not destroyed.
the military and governments work on producing for the sake of english "bugs". that cannot be denied.
big pharma are involved. soldiers do not just train for nuke warfare but biological and chemical aswell.
psychological is another deadly instance of warfare and aligned with biological "virus" can alter
human behaviour without the humans questioning thoroughly.
i will take the russian 10 dollar one given to half a million chinese and half a million russian soldiers
as whilst secrecy abounds there is so far no news of mass deaths\side effects from vaccine.
along with no big profit for politicians friends big pharma.
Another note to think about is china "large pork consumers" have been under trade attack from usa.
over last 10 years china has suffered numerous varient pig diseases which dont seem to hit the news as global
pandemics.
an open mind could see that covid claimed by some to orrignate from china may be a little concerned about
whom is presenting the truth and whom can profit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code

feedmindc19 wrote: »

96% of coronavirus deaths have 2/3 other co morbidities. So when you say the death is far higher... how do you know? You can test positive for covid, then die in a car crash and your death will influence the covid statistics. Families all over are fighting for death certificates to be changed.
Bare in mind when you test positive for covid, it’s probably a false positive,

None of that is true. It's all more lies and falsehoods on the part of conspiracy theorists.

Please provide an accurate figure and a source for that figure.

feedmindc19

King Mob wrote: »

But that's not how covid deaths are determined.
You are simply making that up and lying.

It's very bizarre.

Do you have a more accurate figure for covid deaths? If so, please post it and the source.

Also, could you address the point I made in the post.
The number of deaths caused by covid are far higher than even all the combined side effects of all vaccines.
Yet you guys are saying that vaccines are more concerning than covid.
How does this make sense?

96% of coronavirus deaths have 2/3 other co morbidities. So when you say the death is far higher... how do you know? You can test positive for covid, then die in a car crash and your death will influence the covid statistics. Families all over are fighting for death certificates to be changed.
Bare in mind when you test positive for covid, it’s probably a false positive,

Because in the words of the guy THAT INVENTED the PCR test “it is NOT A DIAGNOSTIC TEST”

sabat

GT89 wrote: »

I never said people should be concerned about taking the vaccine. I believe people should be free to make up their mind as to whether they wish to take the vaccine or not. There should be no laws requiring vaccinations in my opinion I think it should be illegal and classed as discrimination for any private business to require customers or employees to vaccinated.

GT89 wrote: »

I never said people should be concerned about taking the vaccine.

Ok. But the topic of the thread is the concerns around the vaccine.
You agree that the concerns presented here by some conspiracy theorists are unfounded. Great.

Now you also claimed that the numbers we've been pointing for covid deaths are wrong.

Please provide the correct numbers and the source you use to arrive at those numbers.

Dohnjoe

GT89 wrote: »

Simply look at the excess mortality vs covid deaths reported.

Died with covid after testing positive. In Ireland the excess mortality between March and August was only 850 to 900 despite there being 1,763 covid deaths.
https://www.thejournal.ie/excess-deaths-covid-19-ireland-5252481-Nov2020/

You claimed that 1.5 mm haven't died globally due to Covid. How many have died and what is your source for that?

King Mob wrote: »

Untrue and more lies on the part of conspiracy theorists.

What is the actual number and please provide a source.

Also, please address my point.
The number of death from covid is far higher than the combined side effects of all vaccines.
Why should we be more concerned with vaccines?

I never said people should be concerned about taking the vaccine. I believe people should be free to make up their mind as to whether they wish to take the vaccine or not. There should be no laws requiring vaccinations in my opinion I think it should be illegal and classed as discrimination for any private business to require customers or employees to vaccinated.

Pinch Flat

Xtrail14 wrote: »

It contains a self charging micro chip with gps hooked up to Chyna

All transmitted through 5g. Damn you gates and soros.

GT89 wrote: »

Died with covid after testing positive.

Untrue and more lies on the part of conspiracy theorists.

What is the actual number and please provide a source.

Also, please address my point.
The number of death from covid is far higher than the combined side effects of all vaccines.
Why should we be more concerned with vaccines?

Died with covid after testing positive. In Ireland the excess mortality between March and August was only 850 to 900 despite there being 1,763 covid deaths.
https://www.thejournal.ie/excess-dea...52481-Nov2020/

This is not what you link says.
Your link does not say there is descrepency between the excess mortality and the number of covid deaths.
Again, this seems to be an outright lie on your part.

King Mob wrote: »

It's currently, at the time of this post at 1,523,353 deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?

Simply look at the excess mortality vs covid deaths reported.

Died with covid after testing positive. In Ireland the excess mortality between March and August was only 850 to 900 despite there being 1,763 covid deaths.
https://www.thejournal.ie/excess-deaths-covid-19-ireland-5252481-Nov2020/

feedmindc19 wrote: »

We should use the governments logic with the vaccinations , if anyone dies (for any reason) , in the 28 days of having a vaccine, it should be marked as a vaccine related death.

But that's not how covid deaths are determined.
You are simply making that up and lying.

It's very bizarre.

Do you have a more accurate figure for covid deaths? If so, please post it and the source.

Also, could you address the point I made in the post.
The number of deaths caused by covid are far higher than even all the combined side effects of all vaccines.
Yet you guys are saying that vaccines are more concerning than covid.
How does this make sense?

Xtrail14

It contains a self charging micro chip with gps hooked up to Chyna

feedmindc19

King Mob wrote: »

And just for clarification here's an indication based on 10 seconds on google and rough calculations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compensation_Program

This covers all vaccine related injuries, not just death.

That's 1.2 per million vaccines.
That's 0.00012%.

Covid's death rate is between 1% and 2%
The death rate alone from Covid is ten thousand times greater than any risk posted by previous vaccines.

Conspiracy theorists are telling us that we shouldn't worry about covid, but we should worry about vaccines.

We should use the governments logic with the vaccinations , if anyone dies (for any reason) , in the 28 days of having a vaccine, it should be marked as a vaccine related death.

GT89 wrote: »

There were not 1.5m covid deaths for a start

It's currently, at the time of this post at 1,523,353 deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?

Dohnjoe

GT89 wrote: »

There were not 1.5m covid deaths for a start

Right. How many deaths and what source?

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's very low.

It's odd that the 1.5 mm deaths for Covid don't seem to bother you, but a tiny number of vaccine related injuries/deaths do. There is risk in everything, however when it comes to modern medicine, vaccines are among the safest medical products we use, millions upon millions are given every year and adverse reactions are extremely rare.

There were not 1.5m covid deaths for a start