The Vaccine

King Mob wrote: »

No, you are still making vague insinuations.
I think this is because you don't have any evidence to support definitive statements because you don't actually have any secret knowledge about a sinister conspiracy you've figured out.

I think you're just making vague insinuations with nothing behind them.

Please provide direct evidence that there are side effects or safety issues beyond what has been concluded by the various medical and government bodies.

nothing - except massive fines , court cases and legal ruling...

but whatever... you think people that dont believe what you THINK is true are "theorists" .....

greenspurs wrote: »

So you can still explain away the argument for the other side ?
Wow...

And you will still blindly believe the same manufacturers ?

Excellent.... good lads.

You don't need to "believe" the manufacturers, the whole process is highly regulated by external third parties, it's extremely rigorous. Millions of people are vaccinated every year, vaccines are overwhelmingly safe.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You don't need to "believe" the manufacturers, the whole process is highly regulated by external third parties, it's extremely rigorous. Millions of people are vaccinated every year, vaccines are overwhelmingly safe.

even the ones they were fined massively for ?

or do they count ?

greenspurs wrote: »

nothing - except massive fines , court cases and legal ruling...

but whatever... you think people that dont believe what you THINK is true are "theorists" .....

Ok. You don't have anything else. Great.
So where in those court cases do they outline the side effects of the covid vaccine and where do they show that those side effects are worse than is being claimed by the medical and government bodies who approved the vaccine.

Please copy, paste and quote the section.

Also, could you detail the death toll from use of the vaccine and please show the evidence for this claim.

And yes, people who make up and fantasize about giant global conspiracies they can't show are real are conspiracy theorists.
Not sure what else they should be called?

King Mob wrote: »

Oh well. It's only 1.5 million deaths.

Also, could you explain how many death percentagewise the vaccine will cause.
Again please provide an actual source for this figure.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/september-mortality-statistics-broadly-in-line-with-previous-years-cso-says-1.4397600

From cso .....

Suicides in ireland 2012 -> 2019
3835

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/4/mental-health-services/connecting-for-life/publications/nosp-briefing-cso-data.pdf

Deaths in Quarter 1 in ireland 2019 -> 2020
an increase of 56

Deaths in Quarter2 in Ireland 2019 -> 2020
An increase of 1063 (during a pandemic)

https://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/birthsdeathsandmarriages/vitalstatistics/

31,000 people die every year in Ireland.
Youd think there be a massive increase in deaths due to the pandemic , second wave etc ?

greenspurs wrote: »

even the ones they were fined massively for ?

or do they count ?

Just because e.g. there are isolated cases of a plane company in the past failing a safety check or a plane crashing, doesn't automatically mean current flights are more dangerous. If anything, we learn from these individual cases to improve current safety, liability, accountability and so on, to make something that is overwhelmingly safe, even safer. It's a process.

greenspurs wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/september-mortality-statistics-broadly-in-line-with-previous-years-cso-says-1.4397600

From cso .....

Suicides in ireland 2012 -> 2019
3835

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/4/mental-health-services/connecting-for-life/publications/nosp-briefing-cso-data.pdf

Deaths in Quarter 1 in ireland 2019 -> 2020
an increase of 56

Deaths in Quarter2 in Ireland 2019 -> 2020
An increase of 1063 (during a pandemic)

https://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/birthsdeathsandmarriages/vitalstatistics/

31,000 people die every year in Ireland.
Youd think there be a massive increase in deaths due to the pandemic , second wave etc ?

That's nice. But I asked you for the statistics regarding the number of deaths that would result from using the vaccine.
Please provide those numbers along with the evidence for them.
Thanks much.

greenspurs wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/september-mortality-statistics-broadly-in-line-with-previous-years-cso-says-1.4397600

From cso .....

Suicides in ireland 2012 -> 2019
3835

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/4/mental-health-services/connecting-for-life/publications/nosp-briefing-cso-data.pdf

Deaths in Quarter 1 in ireland 2019 -> 2020
an increase of 56

Deaths in Quarter2 in Ireland 2019 -> 2020
An increase of 1063 (during a pandemic)

https://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/birthsdeathsandmarriages/vitalstatistics/

31,000 people die every year in Ireland.
Youd think there be a massive increase in deaths due to the pandemic , second wave etc ?

You pointed out that 1.5 mm people have died due to Covid worldwide, how many died from vaccines in that same period?

Trigger

What you are seemingly forgetting here is that while it 4/5 people who get it will not need hospital care, 20% will. A vaccine will practically diminish those numbers and lift burdens on health care systems worldwide, freeing up time and care for other life threatening illnesses.

ohnonotgmail

greenspurs wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/september-mortality-statistics-broadly-in-line-with-previous-years-cso-says-1.4397600

From cso .....

Suicides in ireland 2012 -> 2019
3835

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/4/mental-health-services/connecting-for-life/publications/nosp-briefing-cso-data.pdf

Deaths in Quarter 1 in ireland 2019 -> 2020
an increase of 56

Deaths in Quarter2 in Ireland 2019 -> 2020
An increase of 1063 (during a pandemic)

https://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/birthsdeathsandmarriages/vitalstatistics/

31,000 people die every year in Ireland.
Youd think there be a massive increase in deaths due to the pandemic , second wave etc ?

2000 people have died from covid this year and somehow you think this is a small number that is not important.

King Mob wrote: »

Ok. You don't have anything else. Great.
So where in those court cases do they outline the side effects of the covid vaccine and where do they show that those side effects are worse than is being claimed by the medical and government bodies who approved the vaccine.

Please copy, paste and quote the section.

Also, could you detail the death toll from use of the vaccine and please show the evidence for this claim.

And yes, people who make up and fantasize about giant global conspiracies they can't show are real are conspiracy theorists.
Not sure what else they should be called?

Theres not data for the future, just their history.

I have given you examples of vaccines that have proven to be dodgy , after they have been used.

You a denier, you choose to not accept the shady history of Pharma companies, and choose to believe half/not full truths about deaths and a virus.

Good lad. Enjoy .

Theres no point showing some one examples, and proven court cases , and they still dismiss them , because theres no death toll for something not used yet ???

Im not making up a global conspiracy (easy to throw that accusation out when you are backed in a corner) i have given you lot the examples and evidence the Pharma and their vaccines are not always the cure all, super safe fixes they say they are !

Trigger wrote: »

What you are seemingly forgetting here is that while it 4/5 people who get it will not need hospital care, 20% will. A vaccine will practically diminish those numbers and lift burdens on health care systems worldwide, freeing up time and care for other life threatening illnesses.

Evidence of that ?

(more than just according to GSK )

greenspurs wrote: »

Theres not data for the future, just their history.

Im not making up a global conspiracy (easy to throw that accusation out when you are backed in a corner) i have given you lot the examples and evidence the Pharma and their vaccines are not always the cure all, super safe fixes they say they are !

Oh ok. That's weird cause I was asking you for the evidence you have that the covid vaccine wasn't safe.Sorry if that wasn't clear to you. I thought I was being very clear about it.

Please provide that data.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

2000 people have died from covid this year and somehow you think this is a small number that is not important.

* covid RELATED ..........

Not all are FROM covid , as you have stated .
There is a difference.

"there have been 2,080 COVID-19 related deaths in Ireland"

From HSE.
https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You pointed out that 1.5 mm people have died due to Covid worldwide, how many died from vaccines in that same period?

How many died, and how many had serious side effects compared to the effects of covid in that period.
Also, this should be shown as a percentage cause there has been far far more vaccines given out than covid cases.

greenspurs wrote: »

Theres not data for the future, just their history.

I have given you examples of vaccines that have proven to be dodgy , after they have been used.

You a denier, you choose to not accept the shady history of Pharma companies, and choose to believe half/not full truths about deaths and a virus.

Good lad. Enjoy .

Theres no point showing some one examples, and proven court cases , and they still dismiss them , because theres no death toll for something not used yet ???

Im not making up a global conspiracy (easy to throw that accusation out when you are backed in a corner) i have given you lot the examples and evidence the Pharma and their vaccines are not always the cure all, super safe fixes they say they are !

Do you think the hpv and mmr vaccines are overall beneficial to society? It's also pretty reasonable to say that the risk of side effects from covid greatly outweigh the risk of the vaccine itself.

King Mob wrote: »

Oh ok. That's weird cause I was asking you for the evidence you have that the covid vaccine wasn't safe.Sorry if that wasn't clear to you. I thought I was being very clear about it.

Please provide that data.

greenspurs wrote: »

Theres not data for the future, just their history.

I have given you examples of vaccines that have proven to be dodgy , after they have been used.

You a denier, you choose to not accept the shady history of Pharma companies, and choose to believe half/not full truths about deaths and a virus.

Good lad. Enjoy .

Theres no point showing some one examples, and proven court cases , and they still dismiss them , because theres no death toll for something not used yet ???

Im not making up a global conspiracy (easy to throw that accusation out when you are backed in a corner) i have given you lot the examples and evidence the Pharma and their vaccines are not always the cure all, super safe fixes they say they are !

You missed that ?

greenspurs wrote: »

* covid RELATED ..........

Not all are FROM covid , as you have stated .
There is a difference.

"there have been 2,080 COVID-19 related deaths in Ireland"

From HSE.
https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/

Lol.
"No one dies cause they were shot. They die from bloodloss. therefore getting shot isn't a big deal and it's just a scam from doctors and big pharma."

ohnonotgmail

greenspurs wrote: »

* covid RELATED ..........

Not all are FROM covid , as you have stated .
There is a difference.

"there have been 2,080 COVID-19 related deaths in Ireland"

From HSE.
https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/

well thats ok, what are we all worrying about.

greenspurs wrote: »

You missed that ?

So you have no evidence or data to show that the covid vaccine is more dangerous than has been accepted by medical bodies and governments.
Great.

King Mob wrote: »

Lol.
"No one dies cause they were shot. They die from bloodloss. therefore getting shot isn't a big deal and it's just a scam from doctors and big pharma."

Also this logic would also apply to AIDs and cancer much of the time, it's not the illness that kills the individual but the weakened immune system that allows for something else to kill them.

King Mob wrote: »

Lol.
"No one dies cause they were shot. They die from bloodloss. therefore getting shot isn't a big deal and it's just a scam from doctors and big pharma."

Person dying of cancer, tested for covid in hospital... Dies.

Covid related death .......

greenspurs wrote: »

You missed that ?

In the last year, how many have died as a direct result of taking a vaccine?

You don't seem to be concerned with 1.5 mm people dying of Covid. Yet you seem highly concerned about vaccines, so what are the figures for the last year?

greenspurs wrote: »

Person dying of cancer, tested for covid in hospital... Dies.

Covid related death .......

Untrue.
Now you're just outright lying.

Why are you lying to support your beliefs?

Also, could you please stop avoiding the other question:
How many vaccine related deaths and injuries have their been this year. Again please provide your source for this figure.

Caraibh

It's okay greensputs, we can trust WHO when it comes to vaccines: https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=81838

I guess that website is a "conspiracy site".

Caraibh wrote: »

It's okay greensputs, we can trust WHO when it comes to vaccines: https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=81838

I guess that website is a "conspiracy site".

That's a nonsense piece by woo-merchants

https://retractionwatch.com/2018/01/30/second-time-researchers-retract-republish-vaccine-paper/

Caraibh

Dohnjoe wrote: »

That's a nonsense piece by woo-merchants

https://retractionwatch.com/2018/01/30/second-time-researchers-retract-republish-vaccine-paper/

Like the ones about the Head of WHO being a member of a terrorist organisation and covering up three outbreaks of cholera?

Caraibh wrote: »

It's okay greensputs, we can trust WHO when it comes to vaccines: https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=81838

I guess that website is a "conspiracy site".

Again, you are suggesting that the WHO and all doctors are part of a vast conspiracy.
That's something that greensputs has rejected as nonsense.

You are still dodging points btw.

How come you conspiracy theorists have to be so dishonest about everything?

Caraibh

King Mob wrote: »

Again, you are suggesting that the WHO and all doctors are part of a vast conspiracy.
That's something that greensputs has rejected as nonsense.

You are still dodging points btw.

How come you conspiracy theorists have to be so dishonest about everything?

I never said that. I am suggesting that there are reasons to distrust WHO. One is that vaccine in Kenya, the other is the Head of WHO covering up three outbreaks of cholera and being a member of a terrorist organisation. Based on that, there are reasons to be wary of a vaccine pushed by WHO and the Head of WHO.