The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Already being discussed on the tweet thread. Have you been put on deflection duty today blanch? Trying to raise the same subject across several threads?

(1) I didn't raise it in the other thread

(2) The Sinn Fein playbook tells you that when in trouble, default to attacking the other poster's credentials

(3) Stop digging

christy c

Didn't see anything about it in the news, but it seems the idiots are pressing ahead with their "fairness" on the pension age. Its a pity we don't have a party with some credibility to challenge this kind of stupidity:

https://twitter.com/sinnfeinireland/status/1333710171621773313?s=19

Bubbaclaus

christy c wrote: »

Didn't see anything about it in the news, but it seems the idiots are pressing ahead with their "fairness" on the pension age. Its a pity we don't have a party with some credibility to challenge this kind of stupidity:

https://twitter.com/sinnfeinireland/status/1333710171621773313?s=19

The only way you could affordably keep it to 65 in the long term would be to reduce the payment from it, and offset that by introducing mandatory, no opt out, private pension sign up to supplement the difference.

Either that or increase PRSI substantially across all workers.

I haven't noticed Sinn Feinn acknowledge the pensions time bomb at all, they seem to be either ignoring it or denying its existence from what I've seen.

christy c

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

The only way you could affordably keep it to 65 in the long term would be to reduce the payment from it, and offset that by introducing mandatory, no opt out, private pension sign up to supplement the difference.

Either that or increase PRSI substantially across all workers.

I haven't noticed Sinn Feinn acknowledge the pensions time bomb at all, they seem to be either ignoring it or denying its existence from what I've seen.

I agree but I don’t think many of those would be politically palatable. Imagine telling pensioners that you are reducing their payments, or telling minimum wage workers that part of their pay is being taken for their pension in 30 years time, etc.

Sf would be the last party to implement any of those IMO.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

The only way you could affordably keep it to 65 in the long term would be to reduce the payment from it, and offset that by introducing mandatory, no opt out, private pension sign up to supplement the difference.

Either that or increase PRSI substantially across all workers.

I haven't noticed Sinn Feinn acknowledge the pensions time bomb at all, they seem to be either ignoring it or denying its existence from what I've seen.

Or they could use that 'temporary' USC tax which was brought in which will never be done away with now.

Yeah_Right

christy c wrote: »

I agree but I don’t think many of those would be politically palatable. Imagine telling pensioners that you are reducing their payments, or telling minimum wage workers that part of their pay is being taken for their pension in 30 years time, etc.

Sf would be the last party to implement any of those IMO.

Don't you know, Apple is going to pay for it. And everything else. Shake that Magic Money Tree!!

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Don't you know, Apple is going to pay for it. And everything else. Shake that Magic Money Tree!!

The magic money tree is already shaking from FFG and The Greens

"THE IRISH FISCAL Advisory Council has warned that the Government has committed to permanent increases in public spending without a plan on how to fund them.

In its latest fiscal assessment report, the council said that Budget 2021 includes “substantial and permanent increases” in spending amounting to €5.4 billion which is unrelated to the Covid-19 pandemic."

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Do the Shinners have any coalition partners in mind if they are disavowing the Soc Dems?

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Do the Shinners have any coalition partners in mind if they are disavowing the Soc Dems?

They somehow think they can form a government without FF, FG and probably the Greens, now the Soc Dems and it's unlikely that they can get the support of all of the independents. Labour don't seem to see eye to eye with them either.

aido79 wrote: »

They somehow think they can form a government without FF, FG and probably the Greens, now the Soc Dems and it's unlikely that they can get the support of all of the independents. Labour don't seem to see eye to eye with them either.

Their Stanleyesque inability to empathise will prevent them being able to form coalitions. We have seen in the North that they are not able to form stable partnerships.

#notanormalparty

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Does yer man in the tweet think he can vote twice?

jh79 wrote: »

Does yer man in the tweet think he can vote twice?

I am sure many of them do.

blanch152 wrote: »

Their Stanleyesque inability to empathise will prevent them being able to form coalitions. We have seen in the North that they are not able to form stable partnerships.

#notanormalparty

They don't seem to understand that politics is more about building bridges rather than blowing them up.

jh79 wrote: »

Does yer man in the tweet think he can vote twice?

All you to do is look at SF'S social media to see that a majority of their voters don't understand the voting system in Ireland.

Kermit.de.frog

blanch152 wrote: »

This isn't over.

https://twitter.com/BrianStanleyTD/status/870697652630962180

This older tweet of his has surfaced showing what a slimeball he is.

He is unfit for public office and should resign from the PAC or be removed.

What comes around goes around. SF call for resignations all the time.

aido79 wrote: »

They don't seem to understand that politics is more about building bridges rather than blowing them up.

Eh is that why FG and FF refused to talk to SF after the election.

Is that the building bridges that are needed?

Bishop of hope

Stanley should be toast soon!

[Deleted User]

aido79 wrote: »

All you to do is look at SF'S social media to see that a majority of their voters don't understand the voting system in Ireland.

To be fair, bit of a stupid comment from me. He could be referring to transfers.

Yeah_Right

aido79 wrote: »

They don't seem to understand that politics is more about building bridges rather than blowing them up.

I guess they like to stick to what they are good at and lets face it, they are experts at blowing things up.

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Stanley should be toast soon!

hahahahaaha you wish man.

If Stanley goes, McEntee and Leo will have to go too

Ireland2020 wrote: »

Eh is that why FG and FF refused to talk to SF after the election.

Is that the building bridges that are needed?

Let's look at what actually happened.

On the night of the election, Mary-Lou announced that the era of the Civil War parties was over and that she was going to form a government without FG and FF. She foolishly did so before all the results were in. Fine Gael took her at her word and said they would leave government formation to others and took a step back.

Only when it became clear that Sinn Fein were both unable and unwilling to compromise to form a government with anyone, then Fine Gael reluctantly stepped up to the plate and formed a government with Fianna Fail and the Greens.

blanch152 wrote: »

Let's look at what actually happened.

On the night of the election, Mary-Lou announced that the era of the Civil War parties was over and that she was going to form a government without FG and FF. She foolishly did so before all the results were in. Fine Gael took her at her word and said they would leave government formation to others and took a step back.

Only when it became clear that Sinn Fein were both unable and unwilling to compromise to form a government with anyone, then Fine Gael reluctantly stepped up to the plate and formed a government with Fianna Fail and the Greens.

Hahahahahahahaahahaha

Ireland2020 wrote: »

Eh is that why FG and FF refused to talk to SF after the election.

Is that the building bridges that are needed?

Do you think that either FF or FG could find a balance in terms of policies to form a stable government with SF?
A government has to agree on the basics before a coalition is formed.
I don't believe that SF could ever agree a program for government with either FF or FG. Do you?

blanch152 wrote: »

Let's look at what actually happened.

On the night of the election, Mary-Lou announced that the era of the Civil War parties was over and that she was going to form a government without FG and FF. She foolishly did so before all the results were in. Fine Gael took her at her word and said they would leave government formation to others and took a step back.

Only when it became clear that Sinn Fein were both unable and unwilling to compromise to form a government with anyone, then Fine Gael reluctantly stepped up to the plate and formed a government with Fianna Fail and the Greens.

Really? Leo said he'd talk to SF but would not go into government with them so the preconditions were already there:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30985525.html

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Let's look at what actually happened.

On the night of the election, Mary-Lou announced that the era of the Civil War parties was over and that she was going to form a government without FG and FF. She foolishly did so before all the results were in. Fine Gael took her at her word and said they would leave government formation to others and took a step back.

Only when it became clear that Sinn Fein were both unable and unwilling to compromise to form a government with anyone, then Fine Gael reluctantly stepped up to the plate and formed a government with Fianna Fail and the Greens.

On the night of the election before all the votes where in Micheál Martin opened the door to SF
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/martin-opens-the-door-to-coalition-with-sinn-fein-38941313.html

Then firmly shut it again when it emerged that FF were not going to be the lead in that potential coalition.

It's clear there is no high moral principle here, it is about maintaining power. FF who had said they wouldn't go into a coalition with FG went into one shortly after.

jh79 wrote: »

To be fair, bit of a stupid comment from me. He could be referring to transfers.

I'm not sure they understand that either. They don't seem to realise that it's ok for Mary Lou to be elected on the 6th and 8th counts in 2011 and 2016 but not ok for politicians from other parties to be elected in anything after the 1st count.

The only good thing to come out of the next election will be the unless Greens will be wiped out again thankfully.

grayzer75 wrote: »

The only good thing to come out of the next election will be the unless Greens will be wiped out again thankfully.

Quite remarkable what they have done. Ruined the party in 9 months.

MM and LV making fools out of Éamonn every day.

grayzer75 wrote: »

The only good thing to come out of the next election will be the unless Greens will be wiped out again thankfully.

By then, the Greens will have implemented their policies on climate change, so they won't be too upset.

Being in politics just to hold on to seats so that you can constantly moan and whinge as SF and PBP do, is a complete waste of time. Achieving change is the objective, can only be done if you are mature enough to go into government and ready to take unpopular decisions. It is why SF will never make a success of government anywhere.