US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

TomOnBoard · 26-11-2020 05:16PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Doubtful, if you read them they are just more conspiracy nonsense that she has no chance of proving in court because shes made it all up

I have read (most of) them. And, yes I agree they're a re-hash of all the Golden Oldies from Q-Anon courtesy of 8kun and OANN, particularly the Georgia one. Whats particularly interesting there is the extent to which the cult has turned on Kemp and Raffensperger.

Michigan is less about Dominion(although it figures) and more about allegations of process violations and fraud, which are almost entirely based on feelings, so-called statistical analysis and not a shred of provable evidence.

It's basically 8kun and Parler posts badly re-presented for a Court, which will, based on experiences to date, give Sidney and her gang enough rope to hang themselves.

VinLieger · 26-11-2020 05:53PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I have read (most of) them. And, yes I agree they're a re-hash of all the Golden Oldies from Q-Anon courtesy of 8kun and OANN, particularly the Georgia one. Whats particularly interesting there is the extent to which the cult has turned on Kemp and Raffensperger.

Michigan is less about Dominion(although it figures) and more about allegations of process violations and fraud, which are almost entirely based on feelings, so-called statistical analysis and not a shred of provable evidence.

It's basically 8kun and Parler posts badly re-presented for a Court, which will, based on experiences to date, give Sidney and her gang enough rope to hang themselves.

I cannot wait to read the transcripts of her presenting this nonsense to a judge

TomOnBoard · 26-11-2020 06:39PM

VinLieger wrote: »

I cannot wait to read the transcripts of her presenting this nonsense to a judge

I hope they get to be heard in some detail, (especially in GA), so that we can get to hear/see cross-examination of some of their so-called expert witnesses under oath, such as OKeeffe, Ron Watkins (8kun) and someone from Dominion to sort out the Smartmatic ****e once and for all.

Dillonb3 · 26-11-2020 07:33PM

VinLieger wrote: »

I cannot wait to read the transcripts of her presenting this nonsense to a judge

I don't think the judge will be impressed before she says anything if this is anything to go by

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1331846950350622720

prawnsambo · 26-11-2020 11:33PM

Dillonb3 wrote: »

I don't think the judge will be impressed before she says anything if this is anything to go by

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1331846950350622720

This is from the Michigan filing. If I was the judge I'd be considering just throwing it out on general principles. Seems like the space bar was trying to get away from this one and almost succeeded.

What.Now · 27-11-2020 12:11AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

This is from the Michigan filing. If I was the judge I'd be considering just throwing it out on general principles. Seems like the space bar was trying to get away from this one and almost succeeded.

Mother of Jesus what is their game play?

dinorebel · 27-11-2020 12:58AM

What.Now wrote: »

Mother of Jesus what is their game play?

Grifting as long as those emails are bringing money.

What.Now · 27-11-2020 01:24AM

dinorebel wrote: »

Grifting as long as those emails are bringing money.

I guess, but it's actually destroying society.

prawnsambo · 27-11-2020 10:36AM

dinorebel wrote: »

Grifting as long as those emails are bringing money.

But this is from Sidney Powell who's not acting for Trump. They've actually distanced themselves from her (and you can see why) so she's not going to be getting any of the money from the PAC. So this is off her own bat (as in many bats in the belfry) but probably got funding from somewhere because altruism only goes so far with these nutters. This chap actually went through the entire thing while cooking his thanksgiving turkey and it's a wild ride. I'm patching you in some twenty tweets into the thread, but it's well worth a read if you've half an hour or so to spend.

dogbert27 · 27-11-2020 10:38AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

But this is from Sidney Powell who's not acting for Trump. They've actually distanced themselves from her (and you can see why) so she's not going to be getting any of the money from the PAC. So this is off her own bat (as in many bats in the belfry) but probably got funding from somewhere because altruism only goes so far with these nutters. This chap actually went through the entire thing while cooking his thanksgiving turkey and it's a wild ride. I'm patching you in some twenty tweets into the thread, but it's well worth a read if you've half an hour or so to spend.

She filed some IRS application form that lets her receive donations

Quin_Dub · 27-11-2020 01:15PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

But this is from Sidney Powell who's not acting for Trump. They've actually distanced themselves from her (and you can see why) so she's not going to be getting any of the money from the PAC. So this is off her own bat (as in many bats in the belfry) but probably got funding from somewhere because altruism only goes so far with these nutters. This chap actually went through the entire thing while cooking his thanksgiving turkey and it's a wild ride. I'm patching you in some twenty tweets into the thread, but it's well worth a read if you've half an hour or so to spend.

Some of the stuff in that thread is just mental..

The level of errors and sheer stupidity in the court documents are off the charts.

If a 14 year old submitted something with that many errors they'd be in detention for a month.

The call back to the "Birther" movement in the thread is interesting.

These claims of "Fraud" are very similar.

Continuous claims of "huge evidence" to prove Fraud/Obama isn't American but nothing ever comes out.

How many times did Trump talk about "His Investigators finding incredible things in Hawaii" and that he'd be making them public very soon (possibly even in 2 weeks!) ??

It's exactly the same playbook here.

Beyond pathetic.

jamule · 27-11-2020 03:23PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Some of the stuff in that thread is just mental..

The level of errors and sheer stupidity in the court documents are off the charts.

If a 14 year old submitted something with that many errors they'd be in detention for a month.

The call back to the "Birther" movement in the thread is interesting.

These claims of "Fraud" are very similar.

Continuous claims of "huge evidence" to prove Fraud/Obama isn't American but nothing ever comes out.

How many times did Trump talk about "His Investigators finding incredible things in Hawaii" and that he'd be making them public very soon (possibly even in 2 weeks!) ??

It's exactly the same playbook here.

Beyond pathetic.

2 weeks seems to be the time that it takes for another **** storm to come along and all is forgotton, he seemed to get through every **** storm by saying all will be revealed in 2 weeks!

prawnsambo · 27-11-2020 03:24PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Some of the stuff in that thread is just mental..

The level of errors and sheer stupidity in the court documents are off the charts.

If a 14 year old submitted something with that many errors they'd be in detention for a month.

The call back to the "Birther" movement in the thread is interesting.

These claims of "Fraud" are very similar.

Continuous claims of "huge evidence" to prove Fraud/Obama isn't American but nothing ever comes out.

How many times did Trump talk about "His Investigators finding incredible things in Hawaii" and that he'd be making them public very soon (possibly even in 2 weeks!) ??

It's exactly the same playbook here.

Beyond pathetic.

By rights there should be professional consequences for that filing. Really depends on the judge, but if it was me, that would be in the bin after the first few pages and there'd be a list made up to go to the respective bars. Interesting that the lawyer of record for Michigan has previous. Fairly nasty previous by the look of things. But then again, you'd have to be at the bottom of the barrel before you'd get anyone to sign their name to it.

Quin_Dub · 27-11-2020 03:34PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

By rights there should be professional consequences for that filing. Really depends on the judge, but if it was me, that would be in the bin after the first few pages and there'd be a list made up to go to the respective bars. Interesting that the lawyer of record for Michigan has previous. Fairly nasty previous by the look of things. But then again, you'd have to be at the bottom of the barrel before you'd get anyone to sign their name to it.

Totally agree , at the very least it would fall under "Wasting the courts time".

You'd wonder if it's part of the actual plan?

Submit a filing so appalling that the Judge summarily rejects it for failing to meet basic standards and then miss the deadline to get it back in prior to the EC Vote.

Then you get to claim that you *had* all this amazing evidence but that the Deep State denied you your day in court.

I mean what would they do if they actually get to present this *Evidence* in court and it just gets shredded ??

prawnsambo · 27-11-2020 04:02PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Totally agree , at the very least it would fall under "Wasting the courts time".

You'd wonder if it's part of the actual plan?

Submit a filing so appalling that the Judge summarily rejects it for failing to meet basic standards and then miss the deadline to get it back in prior to the EC Vote.

Then you get to claim that you *had* all this amazing evidence but that the Deep State denied you your day in court.

I mean what would they do if they actually get to present this *Evidence* in court and it just gets shredded ??

Yeah, I think that fall back 'defence' would be used at any stage in proceedings. I doubt very much if this is the strategy though. Sidney Powell is completely off the reservation. It's the QAnon smorgasbord of the loopiest conspiracy theories on the election.

But there will be some consequences. I imagine that Dominion systems are currently making a list of all the people who have libelled them and their software/machines, a lot of whom would be people of some means. And then you have all the various state electoral officials who have been named and accused of malpractice.

Quin_Dub · 27-11-2020 04:19PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yeah, I think that fall back 'defence' would be used at any stage in proceedings. I doubt very much if this is the strategy though. Sidney Powell is completely off the reservation. It's the QAnon smorgasbord of the loopiest conspiracy theories on the election.

But there will be some consequences. I imagine that Dominion systems are currently making a list of all the people who have libelled them and their software/machines, a lot of whom would be people of some means. And then you have all the various state electoral officials who have been named and accused of malpractice.

She's accused Kemp and Raffensperger of accepting bribes.

Given how vocal Raffensperger has been is pushing back on all the crap he's been getting I'd fully expect him to go after her at least.

Francie Barrett · 27-11-2020 05:22PM

This fella donated $2.5m to Trump's campaign to investigate the vote, now he wants his money back - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8993305/Pro-Trump-donor-gave-2-5m-help-prove-election-fraud-sues-recover-money.html

It's mad how Trump can lie over and over again, and people just keep lapping it up.

prawnsambo · 27-11-2020 06:01PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

She's accused Kemp and Raffensperger of accepting bribes.

Given how vocal Raffensperger has been is pushing back on all the crap he's been getting I'd fully expect him to go after her at least.

And it starts. Dominion have reported her to law enforcement for incitement to target their staff.

Inquitus · 27-11-2020 07:42PM

PA courts deny motion to prevent certification of results. If you use incognito mode you can bypass the paywall.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-appeals-court-rejects-trump-request-for-emergency-injunction-to-overturn-certification-of-pennsylvanias-election-results/2020/11/27/556540ba-30d7-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html

A federal appeals court on Friday rejected President Trump’s request for an emergency injunction to overturn the certification of Pennsylvania’s election results.

The Third Circuit Court of Appeals said that the Trump campaign’s challenge of a U.S. district court’s decision had “no merit.”

The court’s sharply worded opinion was written by Judge Stephanos Bibas, who was appointed to the court by Trump.

“Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” Bibas wrote.

Quin_Dub · 27-11-2020 10:10PM

Inquitus wrote: »

PA courts deny motion to prevent certification of results. If you use incognito mode you can bypass the paywall.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-appeals-court-rejects-trump-request-for-emergency-injunction-to-overturn-certification-of-pennsylvanias-election-results/2020/11/27/556540ba-30d7-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html

Not surprising of course and just as importantly it was an all Republican bench of Judges that handed down the decision including one appointed by Trump..

Of course they'll all be RINOs now, but at least they have been robbed of the "Democrat Judges" angle

TomOnBoard · 27-11-2020 10:40PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Not surprising of course and just as importantly it was an all Republican bench of Judges that handed down the decision including one appointed by Trump..

Of course they'll all be RINOs now, but at least they have been robbed of the "Democrat Judges" angle

The judgement, written by Bibas (a Trump appointed Judge) was a fitting follow on to Judge Brann's District Court judgement and both are really worth reading. Such pearls of justice as “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” and “Voters, not lawyers, choose the president. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections,” are for the ages!

Inquitus · 27-11-2020 11:00PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

The judgement, written by Bibas (a Trump appointed Judge) was a fitting follow on to Judge Brann's District Court judgement and both are really worth reading. Such pearls of justice as “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” and “Voters, not lawyers, choose the president. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections,” are for the ages!

Aye no judge, no matter who appointed them, is going to rule in Trump's favour on these issues, given the complete lack of evidence. As mentioned above the SCOTUS Judges are not going to tarnish and ruin their standing just because Trump appointed them, its one thing to rule in a conservative fashion on a keenly contested point of law, quite another to undermine the US Democracy by considering these frivolous motions which lack any sort of evidence. The SCOTUS judges can be impeached in the same manner as the president, impeachment in the House followed by a trial in the Senate, and if they tried to undermine US Democracy as a quid pro quo for Trump, there can be little doubt that Impeachment would happen rather quickly, whether or not a conviction in the Senate ensues or not.

This is exactly why we have seen all these cases dismissed in the lower courts, even by Republican or Trump nominees, they rule on the Law not on a Quid pro Quo with Trump, and we can expect to see this continue unless proper evidence of a corrupt election were available, and lets be straight, its not.

spacecoyote · 28-11-2020 11:23AM

So much winning continues. The Wisconsin recount demanded by Trump has resulted in Biden gaining votes

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/28/joe-biden-gains-votes-in-wisconsin-county-after-trump-ordered-recount

prawnsambo · 28-11-2020 01:23PM

spacecoyote wrote: »

So much winning continues. The Wisconsin recount demanded by Trump has resulted in Biden gaining votes

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/28/joe-biden-gains-votes-in-wisconsin-county-after-trump-ordered-recount

Cost him $3 million to lose 132 votes. That must rankle.

Itssoeasy · 28-11-2020 04:17PM

It’s a bad sign when one of the judges appointed under your term(and in trumps mind that means on his side) basically laughed his case out of the courtroom. You’d think if there was actual fraud on any scale they’d argue that in court documents, but they don’t, they yell it from upon high outside the court but then inside don’t allege it at all. It might have been here but Sidney Powell redacted the name of the person she alleges was a witness to fraud. I mean surely that’d be the one thing you wouldn’t redact. It’s a joke at this stage except I can’t imagine Americans find it that funny.

Water John · 28-11-2020 04:49PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Cost him $3 million to lose 132 votes. That must rankle.

Cost some other eejits, cost Trump nothing I'd be sure.

TomOnBoard · 28-11-2020 10:08PM

It looks like the Trumpists in the GOP are still forging ahead with the attempted election of POTUS Donald via the Plan B, previously outlined. Despite having been knocked back every single time in Courts all across the so-called battleground States, Pennsylvania legislators are proceeding with a resolution to have the Presidential Election nullified and allow the State legislature to decide its slate of electors for the Electoral College vote next month.

Following the alleged 'hearing' in Gettysburg this week, which was really only a bat**** crazy presser, PA GOP legislators were invited to the White House to meet Trump. The content of that meeting has not been disclosed, but 2 days later, State Senator Mastriano proposed the resolution. A mirror is being prepared for the PA House.

The resolution itself is based on all the bolloxology previously thrown out of courts, and it seeks to have the Governor and Sec of State withdraw any certifications and allow the legislature to decide who goes to the EC. Of course, the Gov/SoS won't do that; but, thats not what Plan B wants. Once the resolution is passed, and rejected by the Gov/SoS, it will give Mastriano and his ilk the platform to argue that the elections are in dispute, and Article II of the Constitution can be invoked. Now, you may well say, its off the wall and hasn't a prayer. But Plan B is a Hail Mary that depends on all the losses in Court and the kerrrrazy Sidney Powell cases that can't succed either, being used to give Rep legislatures the cover to ignore certification.

In my mind, Trumpists have been aiming for such a denial of certification, ever since Nov 5. I had hoped Plan B would have been made impossible by now; sadly, it still remains on the table and is still being actively worked on, with the passive and silent 'wait and see' stance of most GOP Congress- men/women. While its chances of succeeding are low, its continued existence is creating a deep wound that will be very hard to heal.

listermint · 28-11-2020 10:18PM

Sounds like Parler waffle tbh.

Brian? · 28-11-2020 11:02PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

It looks like the Trumpists in the GOP are still forging ahead with the attempted election of POTUS Donald via the Plan B, previously outlined. Despite having been knocked back every single time in Courts all across the so-called battleground States, Pennsylvania legislators are proceeding with a resolution to have the Presidential Election nullified and allow the State legislature to decide its slate of electors for the Electoral College vote next month.

Following the alleged 'hearing' in Gettysburg this week, which was really only a bat**** crazy presser, PA GOP legislators were invited to the White House to meet Trump. The content of that meeting has not been disclosed, but 2 days later, State Senator Mastriano proposed the resolution. A mirror is being prepared for the PA House.

The resolution itself is based on all the bolloxology previously thrown out of courts, and it seeks to have the Governor and Sec of State withdraw any certifications and allow the legislature to decide who goes to the EC. Of course, the Gov/SoS won't do that; but, thats not what Plan B wants. Once the resolution is passed, and rejected by the Gov/SoS, it will give Mastriano and his ilk the platform to argue that the elections are in dispute, and Article II of the Constitution can be invoked. Now, you may well say, its off the wall and hasn't a prayer. But Plan B is a Hail Mary that depends on all the losses in Court and the kerrrrazy Sidney Powell cases that can't succed either, being used to give Rep legislatures the cover to ignore certification.

In my mind, Trumpists have been aiming for such a denial of certification, ever since Nov 5. I had hoped Plan B would have been made impossible by now; sadly, it still remains on the table and is still being actively worked on, with the passive and silent 'wait and see' stance of most GOP Congress- men/women. While its chances of succeeding are low, its continued existence is creating a deep wound that will be very hard to heal.

If that happens then Biden still has 286 and wins.

I can’t see it happening.

TomOnBoard · 29-11-2020 05:30AM

Brian? wrote: »

If that happens then Biden still has 286 and wins.

I can’t see it happening.

That's not the point at all. Anyone with a titter of wit at this stage (obviously this excludes the likes of Rudey and Jenna Ellis) can see that Plan B is doomed to failure. The point I am making is not that it will succeed, but that it is still being played out and is being supported by the GOPpers in Congress (with very few exceptions), either by public support for it by some, or by silence from the rest of them. The Congressional GOP complicity is made exponentially worse when one sees the extent to which many Trump voters actually believe the BS that underpins Plan B, and will believe that the election was stolen from Trump (it wasn't) and that the Democrats perpetrated a major fraud (they didn't), for years to come. That, coupled with the ongoing grift that is robbing them blind through demands for donations to fund the legal 'actions', is setting the USA up for internal political chaos, and hatreds that will not just disappear when Trump leaves the White House. The already difficult landscape that is about to be inherited by the Biden/Harris Presidency is being poisoned more and more every day by treacherous undermining of its electoral system, its Government and its judiciary.

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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