Bowie wrote: » This assumes he's called a bigot for criticing SF and not the DUP. I believe it related to the Irish language?
smurgen wrote: » How did you possibly guess that?it wasn't all those times I mentioned the language by any chance was it?
Bowie wrote: » It's a great idea to give money to those need it. I don't agree with giving people money they don't need and therefore should not be due. Do you? I said his idea "seems a little ill-thought out." You FG'ers are fierce delicate.
tobsey wrote: » The problem is it costs money to figure out who needs it or doesn't. In the grand scheme of things it's an inefficient use of money to do means testing when a blanket one off payment is simpler and more cost effective. If it was a weekly/monthly/recurring payment over the course of the student's studies, such as SUSI grants, then yes means-testing would be justified. It's not about me, or others, being delicate. It's calling out the practice of always seeing the negative side of an issue without giving any merit to the positives. Any opportunity to throw some mud is taken.
Bowie wrote: » If it's more cost effective to give money to everyone, so be it. But it is. I said it was 'a little ill-thought out' (which is hardly throwing mud) and I'd Blanch having conniptions. I commended his move to give more access to trades for people. It's just not accurate to say that. Some folk can't discus a topic without getting their back up.
blanch152 wrote: » You had conniptions at me pointing out that your idea was more than a little ill-thought out - it displayed no understanding of how the public service works.
Bowie wrote: » Nope. I suggested it might be better to give only to those who need it. I never claimed to know how that would work. I gave suggestions. You got snippy. You were dishonest in that. You claimed I was "Pretending that it is to preserve your dignity", from my saying: "I'm suggesting they may have info like househould income etc. on a student database, which they most certainly have on third level students availing of grants through LA's and others. I could be wrong as regards all students. No harm no foul. That's the gist.". Also it's not on how the public service works, this is a pandemic payment. It is not part of a normal well worn process so cut the condescending nonsense I don't think even the public service knows how it works during Covid.
blanch152 wrote: » Yep, and because it is not part of a normal well worn process, it may cost an awful lot of money to implement - something which you back of an envelope suggestion didn't consider.
smurgen wrote: » Christ FGers writing for the Sun now. Desperate times!https://www.thesun.ie/news/6209964/ringfence-drug-cash-use-areas-destroyed-criminal-gangs-neale-richmond/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true
Bowie wrote: » The new government press secretary is a former Irish Sun/Mirror editor. Expect an even further dive down to tabloid/Murdoch level from them.
blanch152 wrote: » Deeper into the barrel we travel.
RandomViewer wrote: » Wee bit of a smell starting to rise about a direct provision site in Letterkenny, no issues with the people coming but the choice of property , derelict for years ,sold as a distressed property a couple of years ago,https://www.donegallive.ie/news/news/592252/site-of-proposed-donegal-direct-provision-centre-condemned-as-totally-unsuitable.html
tobsey wrote: » Not sure what that’s to do with FG, especially when the relevant minister is a Green.
smurgen wrote: » Agreed Blanch they've more or less lost all dignity when they started writing for the sun. One of newspaper that hacked the phones of murder victims to sell newspapers. You really can't go lower after that.
smurgen wrote: » I see Josepha Madigan getting absolutely roasted on Twitter due to her tone deaf self publicising tweet on the vote to turn down student Nurses pay.Here's hoping she's not expensing this to the heavily burdened tax payers like she's done before and if she is let's hope we can get a refund. "Culture Minister Josepha Madigan is hiring a social media expert to manage her online image at a cost of €20,000 to the taxpayer."https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/tweet-deal-madigan-uses-20000-of-taxpayers-cash-on-her-social-media-image-37723947.html
McMurphy wrote: » 20k of tax payers money to improve her online image. Jesus H Christ. Let's hope she goes with a more successful one than the eejit they have managing the Fine Gael official twitter account. Whoever they let loose with that one is an absolute gobdaw.
Ireland2020 wrote: » Leo's mask has not only slipped again, it's came off He's a liar and in it for himself and himself only
smurgen wrote: » I think Coveney is now damaged also in the latest disclosure.
