The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the terrorists on both sides were scum but it is one side that is the focus of this thread.

Sinn Fein thread. The IRA disbanded. I know it's tough to talk current politics, but sure give it a go?

blanch152 wrote: »

Several threads have been started over the years on British actions that were unacceptable.

Every single time without exception, not a single poster offers an excuse for them, or compares what they did to other atrocities.

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for Sinn Fein/IRA threads where the victim mentality of the Irish Republican comes to the fore, and they can't see beyond that.

This is made up.
You might have people explaining why the IRA existed or why they did what they did but you seem to be twisting that and inferring it's defending blowing up children. That's pretty dishonest. Or do you have quotes?

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Don't forget the New & Improved IRA who shot and killed a journalist last year.

They've more connection to FG/Lab than the IRA. They actually exist because they don't agree with or want any part of SF. They are dissidents. The kind of people FG/Lab might make a senator.

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

This is made up.
You might have people explaining why the IRA existed or why they did what they did but you seem to be twisting that and inferring it's defending blowing up children. That's pretty dishonest. Or do you have quotes?

Here is one for a start where a poster calls the killing of 18 people a "good operation". You won't see any of that in a thread about British atrocities.

grayzer75 wrote: »

The only thing it did was take the shine off a good operation in Warrenpoint the same day.

It is nauseating stuff. Stop pretending it doesn't exist.

blanch152 wrote: »

Here is one for a start where a poster calls the killing of 18 people a "good operation". You won't see any of that in a thread about British atrocities.

It is nauseating stuff. Stop pretending it doesn't exist.

TBF, he's not defending or excusing children being blown up is he? He's referencing a specific engagement. Or are you suggesting nobody has ever commended the BA for any action they carried out?

Brendan Bendar

Bowie wrote: »

Sinn Fein thread. The IRA disbanded. I know it's tough to talk current politics, but sure give it a go?

You all seem very keen to stay away from the past.

[Deleted User]

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You all seem very keen to stay away from the past.

Well, it is the current affairs forum?

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You all seem very keen to stay away from the past.

I posted an article about a FG tax scam from 2001 and got given out to by a guy for bringing up the past and who then went onto to rant about something that happened over 40 years ago.

McMurphy

Chuckled at it.

https://twitter.com/DylanSheridan_/status/1331607032819015682?s=19

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

TBF, he's not defending or excusing children being blown up is he? He's referencing a specific engagement. Or are you suggesting nobody has ever commended the BA for any action they carried out?

He is defending terrorist atrocities. As I said already, find something similar in a British thread.

You won't.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

He is defending terrorist atrocities. As I said already, find something similar in a British thread.

You won't.

I'd almost swear that you would have posted in the same threads as the poster named "maryishere" blanch.

And he or she is top of my head, to imply there are no pro-british/Anti Irish posters on these threads is patently untrue.

Brendan Bendar

Bowie wrote: »

Sinn Fein thread. The IRA disbanded. I know it's tough to talk current politics, but sure give it a go?

Better advise your fellow travelers,then .

Odhinn

blanch152 wrote: »

Here is one for a start where a poster calls the killing of 18 people a "good operation". ............t.

It was a very successsful attack on crown forces.

McMurphy wrote: »

Chuckled at it.

https://twitter.com/DylanSheridan_/status/1331607032819015682?s=19

A prophet as well our Leo!

Bots cued:D

Bishop of hope wrote: »

A prophet as well our Leo!

Bots cued:D

FG meaning for 'bots' = someone who disagrees with them.

blanch152 wrote: »

He is defending terrorist atrocities. As I said already, find something similar in a British thread.

You won't.

No he's not. He said that particular operation was a good operation. You are mixing up support or an understanding of the IRA with 'defending terrorist atrocities'.
The IRA were not about inviting the BA for tea and scones.
It's akin to you calling Johnson, the Queen, anyone with a poppy of 'defending terrorist atrocities'. A bit silly.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I guess trolling shinners is something to distract from 2 more homeless needless deaths on 1st cold night of the winter....its to dip to minus 1 tonight,how many will die tonight from their housing policy last 12 years or so??...

Callous arrogance of FG and their support is somewhat galling....they pontificate day and night about the ira killings 40 years ago,while turning a blind eye to homeless deaths on their watch....hypocrites through and through

Qiuit with the boloxology.
Are SF responsible for the, homeless deaths in NI as they're in govt up there?
The highest death rate of homeless people in the UK and Ireland is in the north.
But you chose a cheap shot at the govt here.
Grow up. Most homeless people have serious issues.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-homeless-deaths-account-for-quarter-of-uk-figures-38642522.html

Jinglejangle69

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ya,and if we are to use the same criteria as uk,our homeless figures would be circa 40K

What serious issues had those 2 fellows last night,since you appear to to have expertise here?? .....2 people died on streets of dublin and noone gives a fcuk,from ffg supporters to shinners,,anyone concerned and wants a better country is sneered at and called boloxolgy,dump of a country...

We have badly badly lost our way...this isnt an ireland i want my kids to grow up in

Many people had to emigrate back in the 80s due to unemployment and made it work.

If you're not happy you could try the same.

Just a suggestion.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Many people had to emigrate back in the 80s due to unemployment and made it work.

If you're not happy you could try the same.

Just a suggestion.

Very Trump sentiment that.
Maybe pointing out issues need attending and voting for different politicians might be another option or will ye all move to Argentina or the like if FG are ousted?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ya,and if we are to use the same criteria as uk,our homeless figures would be circa 40K

What serious issues had those 2 fellows last night,since you appear to to have expertise here?? .....2 people died on streets of dublin and noone gives a fcuk,from ffg supporters to shinners,,anyone concerned and wants a better country is sneered at and called boloxolgy,dump of a country...

We have badly badly lost our way...this isnt an ireland i want my kids to grow up in

You grew up in it I assume?
You're metric for attaching blame for everything wrong on the govt is boloxology as is your assumption of how people feel over tragedies.
You can stick your assumption on my feelings anyway where the sun don't shine you nice fella you.
Now back to SF on the SF thread, how many murders and rapes, kidnapping and dissapearence as well as kneecap pings and other types of torture would you say they have excused in their time.
Your little faux outrage outburst doesn't fool me one bit.

Bishop of hope wrote: »

You grew up in it I assume?
You're metric for attaching blame for everything wrong on the govt is boloxology as is your assumption of how people feel over tragedies.
You can stick your assumption on my feelings anyway where the sun don't shine you nice fella you.
Now back to SF on the SF thread, how many murders and rapes, kidnapping and dissapearence as well as kneecap pings and other types of torture would you say they have excused in their time.
Your little faux outrage outburst doesn't fool me one bit.

I give up...how many?

And could you link to where they have 'excused' it?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I give up...how many?

And could you link to where they have 'excused' it?

Deleted User wrote: »

Fail to see relevence??,but yes

Yes,government is ultimately responsible for runming the country,its hardly a new concept

Charming and v.uncalled for,rattled as fcuk :pac:

Zero....how many have sf done this century??

What,yous honesty think,people who want a better ireland and a better society are fake...i have a fair description in mind, for yous lot alright

Now since your such an expert and were happy to imply those people what died last night had serious issues,what were they??

Bish is asking you 'not to blame the government and in the governments defence immediately turned around and blamed SF in government for NI's figures.

:rolleyes:

Confused? Stay tuned for more, no doubt.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Fail to see relevence??,but yes

Yes,government is ultimately responsible for runming the country,its hardly a new concept

Charming and v.uncalled for,rattled as fcuk :pac:

Zero....how many have sf done this century??

What,yous honesty think,people who want a better ireland and a better society are fake...i have a fair description in mind, for yous lot alright

Now since your such an expert and were happy to imply those people what died last night had serious issues,what were they??

I don't know.
But the poor man in the, tent came, down from SF governed NI yesterday.
I presume he thought he might get help here he wouldn't get there.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Bish is asking you 'not to blame the government and in the governments defence immediately turned around and blamed SF in government for NI's figures. :rolleyes:

Confused? Stay tuned for more, no doubt.

Bish is on the SF thread here. Keeping it on topic.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why did he not??

Noone.should be sleeping or dying on our streets.....whats the point of this supposed econmic miracle or having all.this billions from multinationals,if our most vunerable are left to die on the streets?

Same as that black fellow during the election,mangled up with a digger,but hes a,homeless and b,an immigrant so it deosnt matter.....noone speaks up for these people?

Sure you're at it aren't you!
The Black fellow?
Yes really caring individual you are;)

Jinglejangle69

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why did he not??

Noone.should be sleeping or dying on our streets.....whats the point of this supposed econmic miracle or having all.this billions from multinationals,if our most vunerable are left to die on the streets?

Same as that black fellow during the election,mangled up with a digger,but hes a,homeless and b,an immigrant so it deosnt matter.....noone speaks up for these people?

Remember Jonathan Corrie?

He sold 2 houses his family bought him and ended up on the streets.

His family gave up on him.

Then he died.

I suppose you blame Leo Varadkar for his death yeah?

markodaly

Deleted User wrote: »

I guess trolling shinners is something to distract from 2 more homeless needless deaths on 1st cold night of the winter....its to dip to minus 1 tonight,how many will die tonight from their housing policy last 12 years or so??...

Callous arrogance of FG and their support is somewhat galling....they pontificate day and night about the ira killings 40 years ago,while turning a blind eye to homeless deaths on their watch....hypocrites through and through

A) FF and the Greens are also in government now, with a FF TD having the housing portfolio.

SF are in government in the North where homelessness is much worse than in the ROI, in fact NI account for 1/4 of the UK's homelessness.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-homeless-deaths-account-for-quarter-of-uk-figures-38642522.html?fbclid=IwAR2NEjap32EbxDwU1KdDrJN3gEZfPfrwHRkJR8iBBEHOzcaMUVBLo4VMiqA

SF should not be throwing stones about homelessness when under their watch they have some of the worst homelessness in Europe.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/election-2020-fact-check-how-many-people-are-homeless-in-northern-ireland-1.4162666

markodaly wrote: »

A) FF and the Greens are also in government now, with a FF TD having the housing portfolio.
SF are in government in the North where homelessness is much worse than in the ROI, in fact NI account for 1/4 of the UK's homelessness.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-homeless-deaths-account-for-quarter-of-uk-figures-38642522.html?fbclid=IwAR2NEjap32EbxDwU1KdDrJN3gEZfPfrwHRkJR8iBBEHOzcaMUVBLo4VMiqA

SF should not be throwing stones about homelessness when under their watch they have some of the worst homelessness in Europe.

Claim

“There are 20,000 people homeless in Northern Ireland”.

Who made the claim?

It came from the Taoiseach Leo Varadkar during the leaders’ debate on RTɒs Prime Time on Tuesday night. He challenged Sinn Féin president Mary Lou McDonald on her party’s record in government in the North.///

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Our verdict

False. While the official figures are that just under 20,000 households presented as homeless in Northern Ireland in 2018, only 12,512 met the legal requirements of homelessness and were accepted as “full duty applicants”.

It is simply not possible to compare the two systems - or sets of figures - because of the significant differences in approach, methodology and criteria.