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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

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grayzer75

markodaly wrote: »

Then why did SF/IRA sign up to the GFA if that is your view?
Or was it simply because the IRA were defeated, a busted flush?

They took a leap of faith in the hope that nationalists / republicans would be treated as equals in a new landscape - 25 years later and it hasn't yet happened, that's why the next generation of dissident republicans have no problem getting numbers to join their ranks.

The IRA never were and never would be defeated by the Brits during operation Banner, they even said it themselves. The Brits had soldiers who in the main were in it for a wage whereas the IRA had committed volunteers who were fighting for their cause, that was the big difference.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/british-army-report-says-it-did-not-defeat-ira-1.809235

[Deleted User]

markodaly wrote: »

Then why did SF/IRA sign up to the GFA if that is your view?
Or was it simply because the IRA were defeated, a busted flush?

Because its a military stalemate,if you feel the brits would passed up a chance to crush the ira and defeat irish nationlists,fair play,personally i dont

Re-unification will not get rid of 1 million Unionists in Ireland. In fact in any new political arrangement, they could hold the balance of power for the entire country.
A fact that may not go down too well with would-be UI voters in the south.

What of it,its about making a better ireland for everyone, it simply wont ever happen while british can stir the pot and every so often rely on unionist votes to prop up a coalition

By every and all metric,NI and stormont,the last throw of the dice,has been a failure....i dont see point in pretending it will ever work

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Then why did SF/IRA sign up to the GFA if that is your view?
Or was it simply because the IRA were defeated, a busted flush?

Re-unification will not get rid of 1 million Unionists in Ireland. In fact in any new political arrangement, they could hold the balance of power for the entire country.
A fact that may not go down too well with would-be UI voters in the south.

The only Unionist to worry about is the belligerent Unionist and they are dwindling in numbers fast.
They were reduced to meeting in the upstairs rooms of a pub when the Irish Sea border was first announced. Despite the rather hollow 'Never Never Never's' of their similarly dwindling political leaders they are are now getting on with building the infrastructure for the Sea border.

There is nothing to fear in the moderate Unionist. Stop scaremongering Mark.

a very cool kid

Fann Linn wrote: »

Well considering all of those deaths from Covid when the govt down here abandoned nursing homes last March, April, and May, one would imagine that supporters of FFFG should be mindful of people in glass houses throwing stones. They've nothing to be proud of.

FF weren't in government in March, April, May no more than SF were. FF entered government in June.

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The only Unionist to worry about is the belligerent Unionist and they are dwindling in numbers fast.
They were reduced to meeting in the upstairs rooms of a pub when the Irish Sea border was first announced. Despite the rather hollow 'Never Never Never's' of their similarly dwindling political leaders they are are now getting on with building the infrastructure for the Sea border.

There is nothing to fear in the moderate Unionist. Stop scaremongering Mark.

There's nothing to fear in the moderate nationalist either.
But there's enough fanatics on both sides to give rise to violence.
They haven't gone away you know?

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

There's nothing to fear in the moderate nationalist either.
But there's enough fanatics on both sides to give rise to violence.
They haven't gone away you know?

Of course. Funny you would answer my post. I wasn't the one scaremongering about 'a million'.

I have always doubted that there are 'enough' on the Unionist/Loyalist side to mount a sustainable campaign of violence.

There is no evidence of that tbh.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Of course. Funny you would answer my post. I wasn't the one scaremongering about 'a million'.

I have always doubted that there are 'enough' on the Unionist/Loyalist side to mount a sustainable campaign of violence.

There is no evidence of that tbh.

They don’t go around wearing uniforms, a chara.

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Of course. Funny you would answer my post. I wasn't the one scaremongering about 'a million'.

I have always doubted that there are 'enough' on the Unionist/Loyalist side to mount a sustainable campaign of violence.

There is no evidence of that tbh.

It'd be a pity if it came to it that anyone needed to resort to it.
But I'd bet my house there'd be plenty willing to resort to it.
We would probably need the un in for a while after unification.

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It'd be a pity if it came to it that anyone needed to resort to it.
But I'd bet my house there'd be plenty willing to resort to it.
We would probably need the un in for a while after unification.

Follow the outbreak of conflict/war the last time Bish. That came as tensions rose and rose until it all went up in flames.

Now take the point where Unionism realised the game was more or less up - when they lost their veto in the Anglo Irish Agreement. Militant, angry or violent Unionism has been in decline since that day. Tensions are decreasing across the spectrum of Unionism.
From the AIA itself, to the heady days of the GFA when Ian Paisley could muster 1000's to take to the streets, to the Garvaghy Road (faded away to a whimper) to marches (faded away to compliance with the Parades Commission) to the 'fleg' protests (Faded away full stop) to the Irish Sea Border (never even began to glow).

Yes, they'll probably wreck their own areas for a while, but the moderate Unionist is nothing if not a pragmatist, they'll get on it with it.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

I have never yet,heard an arguement in favour of monarchy,that wasnt riddled with hyprocrisy

Your free to support it,just i feel its roughly 200 years out of date tbh and noone should be head of state because of who their parents are

Everyone is born equal imo

Citizens of democratic constitutional monarchys are free to choose whether to remain a monarchy of become a republic. The only real effect on thier lives is who the titular head of state is. All real power lies with the democratically elected parliament and the executive accountable to the parliament. I dont believe someone should inherit a position based on birth, but if the Danes or whoever are happy with their system who am I to tell them what to do

Solutionking

https://twitter.com/shockproofbeats/status/1330246652431626241
Sums up Northern Ireland with Sinn Fein and DUP.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Citizens of democratic constitutional monarchys are free to choose whether to remain a monarchy of become a republic. The only real effect on thier lives is who the titular head of state is. All real power lies with the democratically elected parliament and the executive accountable to the parliament. I dont believe someone should inherit a position based on birth, but if the Danes or whoever are happy with their system who am I to tell them what to do

You are perfectly entitled to have an opinion though.

markodaly

Deleted User wrote: »

I have never yet,heard an arguement in favour of monarchy,that wasnt riddled with hyprocrisy

Yes, I can imagine you have great in-depth conversation with some Thai people or some Bhutanese. :pac:

Some countries are republics, some are democracies, some are constitutional monarchies, some are federal.
Most Irish RA heads who go on about monarchies are just showing their ignorance and insecurity imo.

Having a monarch in the UK, or a king in Spain or an Emperor in Japan or a King in Thailand has and will never affect my day to day life. Dare I say it, it wont effect yours either.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is nothing to fear in the moderate Unionist. Stop scaremongering Mark.

I don't fear moderate Unionists, Irish Nationalists do.
Anytime a Unionist voice gives an opinion the usual Trump crowd in Ireland raise their necks and gives us all a reminder on how uncouth and unaccommodating we actually are.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

I don't fear moderate Unionists, Irish Nationalists do.
Anytime a Unionist voice gives an opinion the usual Trump crowd in Ireland raise their necks and gives us all a reminder on how uncouth and unaccommodating we actually are.

Such as?

[Deleted User]

markodaly wrote: »

Having a monarch in the UK, or a king in Spain or an Emperor in Japan or a King in Thailand has and will never affect my day to day life. Dare I say it, it wont effect yours either.

Never said it will??

Simply put,its legalised inequality in my eyes.....i cant see how any rational thinking human can still support it

Solutionking

markodaly wrote: »

Yes, I can imagine you have great in-depth conversation with some Thai people or some Bhutanese. :pac:

Some countries are republics, some are democracies, some are constitutional monarchies, some are federal.
Most Irish RA heads who go on about monarchies are just showing their ignorance and insecurity imo.

Having a monarch in the UK, or a king in Spain or an Emperor in Japan or a King in Thailand has and will never affect my day to day life. Dare I say it, it wont effect yours either.

The problem is one monarch, still not sure exactly what the Queen has done?
Still uncertain what gain the PIRA got from killing Lord Mountbatten and other innocents people that day, I am sure someone can explain here.

Nobotty

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It deosnt make sense to me (same as that thing in america,appointing judges based on politics)

Like people are free to believe/support monarchies all they want,just i have never heard a convincing arguement in favour of it,from anyone

Democracy has massive flaws,anyone can acknowledge this,but i cannot see a single advantage of monarchy to anyone,only the monarches

Tourism mainly
But some nations people's like to have a national father or mother figure in times of celebrations or crisis

James Brown

Solutionking wrote: »

The problem is one monarch, still not sure exactly what the Queen has done?
Still uncertain what gain the PIRA got from killing Lord Mountbatten and other innocents people that day, I am sure someone can explain here.

She's happy to perch her well fed arse on a cushioned throne while murder and war crimes are carried out in her name.

blanch152

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/electoral-commission-urged-to-probe-sinn-fein-over-facebook-ad-funding-39783107.html

Sinn Fein running into problems with the Electoral Commission in the North as well as SIPO in the South. Time we had a full public investigation into their finances.

joeguevara

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/electoral-commission-urged-to-probe-sinn-fein-over-facebook-ad-funding-39783107.html

Sinn Fein running into problems with the Electoral Commission in the North as well as SIPO in the South. Time we had a full public investigation into their finances.

No no no no, lets talk about zoos. Or is there anything Leo did.

joeguevara

That is very true Blaaz

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/electoral-commission-urged-to-probe-sinn-fein-over-facebook-ad-funding-39783107.html

Sinn Fein running into problems with the Electoral Commission in the North as well as SIPO in the South. Time we had a full public investigation into their finances.

Time for a look into them all maybe.

https://www.businesspost.ie/ireland/analysis-there-is-no-way-parties-could-survive-on-the-level-of-donations-they-are-disclosing-717c73b8

joeguevara

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Time for a look into them all maybe.

https://www.businesspost.ie/ireland/analysis-there-is-no-way-parties-could-survive-on-the-level-of-donations-they-are-disclosing-717c73b8

Definitely agree with this. However, do you think that SInn Fein have a major issue, and why do you thing they are paying for things out of different accounts but are careful enough to have donations only going into NI accounts.

joeguevara

Deleted User wrote: »

Time for a broader investigation into em.all perhaps?

Surely in a SF thread, we should only discuss SF things.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Time for a look into them all maybe.

https://www.businesspost.ie/ireland/analysis-there-is-no-way-parties-could-survive-on-the-level-of-donations-they-are-disclosing-717c73b8

That's behind a paywall, so impossible to know if it backs up what you are saying.

grayzer75

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/electoral-commission-urged-to-probe-sinn-fein-over-facebook-ad-funding-39783107.html

Sinn Fein running into problems with the Electoral Commission in the North as well as SIPO in the South. Time we had a full public investigation into their finances.

It's just another DUP deflection because they are under the spotlight themselves:

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/weeks-vast-secretive-donation-dup-vote-leave-chief-noted-dup-ability-spend-ps700k-2933146

joeguevara

Deleted User wrote: »

Well i mean,we had some conspiracy flying about kinihans and mi5 aswell the other day....guess anything goes?

The Mi5 is a weird one. DK is one of record as is the boxing company. Very little said about it.

blanch152

grayzer75 wrote: »

It's just another DUP deflection because they are under the spotlight themselves:

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/weeks-vast-secretive-donation-dup-vote-leave-chief-noted-dup-ability-spend-ps700k-2933146

That is definitely old news. It describes the £435,000 received by the DUP as the biggest donation in Northern Ireland. However, that is dwarfed by the £4m that Sinn Fein got from the weird old man.

grayzer75

blanch152 wrote: »

That is definitely old news. It describes the £435,000 received by the DUP as the biggest donation in Northern Ireland. However, that is dwarfed by the £4m that Sinn Fein got from the weird old man.

But it hasn't gone away, the new book by Peter Geoghegan's new book has thrown it straight back into the spotlight as many questions still remain unanswered.

Fair play to that auld boy for leaving SF £4m.