Scoundrel wrote: » For the love of Jesus Christ almighty the issue isn't how Dublin have spent their massive amounts of money given to them by the GAA its that they were given far more in the first place and that this money has partly caused the current farce that is the Leinster and indeed All Ireland championships. It isn't a level playing field and so long as the GAA continues to fund Dublin to the hilt at the expense of others it never will be.
Deleted User wrote: » 1. I never asked for anything 2. You are the spokesperson for these figures, you said yourself you pointed "me" (again, not me) towards these figures 3. If those figures do not stand up to scrutiny, you cannot then say "suck it, not my figures take it up with Connellan". You either engage in the conversation and make counterpoints to the arguments raised or else accede that they are not fit for purpose I mean, if I took a photo of some graffiti in the jacks in Coppers that says Leitrim are backed to the hilt by the GAA to the tune of €75 million...........would it be acceptable for me to say, "hey, that's not my data so don't shoot the messenger, If you've an issue with the figures then track down the author". IF you are using these figures to make a point* then you either defend them from criticism or accept that they do not stand up to scrutiny. * and you are making a point, here, despite your protestations to the contrary.
Uncle Pierre wrote: » It's not quite "can be applied equally"....more a case of could be applied equally, if the level of funding for the other counties was proportionate to the funding that Dublin enjoys.
Deleted User wrote: » And I agree, but that is despite the actions of the Mayo County board, not because of them. But that's another discussion.
Deleted User wrote: » I note that you refused to answer the question put to you directly.
Uncle Pierre wrote: » Please have a look at posts 46, 51, 54 and 58. I was replying to a request from another user that asked "any figures for that?", and my other reply that you quoted in your post here was aimed at that other user too. Please don't have a go at me because I pointed somebody else in the direction of some figures that he asked for.
Amount of money given to intercounty teams by the GAA: Dublin €1 Kerry €145 million Leitrim €254 million Everyone else: nothing
Deleted User wrote: » But they're not "funding Dublin", at least not in the way that people are hinting at whenever this discussion comes up. Yes Dublin gets more in games development grants, but there's no digging down into the bare numbers. If Dublin get 10 times the funding Kildare gets, but Dublin has 20 times the number of kids that Kildare has, then it is Kildare who are being 'financially doped', not the other way around. ...
Deleted User wrote: » Dublin has 20 times the number of kids that Kildare has,
Deleted User wrote: » The two posts are indicative of the hypocrisy that I am pointing out. Either all the money should be shared out equally, or all counties are free to raise their own funds (including from HQ). You were both arguing opposite sides of that argument for the same purpose....i.e. contradicting each other.
Deleted User wrote: » Jesus Christ, I know where and why you got the figures. I'm saying they're bullsh1t figures, so you responding to the request means SFA in the grand scheme of things. If they are incorrect, then what's the point?
Uncle Pierre wrote: » Well in that case....apologies again for responding to a request from another poster which asked for those figures. I'll be sure to check in with you next time on whether or not it's okay to post something in reply to somebody else.
[Deleted User] wrote: » You don't handicap Dublin, you remove one advantage they have that is not a natural advantage and you give it to their competitors. What advantage is that? Money. Dublin can self-fund now more than any other county. So let them. (I am a Dub by the by). The 2003 strategy put in place by Sean Kelly was designed to reinvigorate Gaelic Games in Dublin and to ward off challenges from the professionalisation of rugby and the continuing appeal of soccer. There were whole swathes of south Dublin where GAA was simply a non-starter. In that regard the GAA have been spectacularly successful. Unfortunately the programme coincided with a decent Dublin team coming along naturally. This team was then supplemented by huge finances and an overhaul of underage talent meaning that the 2011 team (largely unaffected by the influx of money) was strengthened by 2011 minors who were more or less a direct product of the investment strategy. The 2011 minors gave Dublin Jack McCaffrey, Paul Mannion, Ciaran Kilkenny, John Small, Eric Lowndes, David Byrne, Niall Scully, Robbie McDaid, Emmet O'Conghaile and Conor McHugh. They filtered into a team with Paul Flynn, James McCarthy, Diarmuid Connolly, Bernard and Alan Brogan, Stephen Cluxton, Denis Bastick etc. The cumulative effect was dominance. However, the GAA do have a model for bringing the sport to a good place in other counties. Just do what they did in Dublin on a scaled basis for the rest of the counties. It took around €17million to do it in Dublin because of the scale but the same results can be achieved for equivalently less money in smaller counties. This isn't a theoretical question either. This has to be done. Otherwise saving gaelic games in Dublin will have had the perverse effect of killing Gaelic Football everywhere else.
dobman88 wrote: » Thread should have been locked after this post. Anyone else defending the figures is just pure waffling nonsense that need to take their head out of the sand. Any money raised by private backers is for the county, AIG, Jp McManus, Kerry group, mayo supporters club, whatever. That money is for the county its given to. Any money from GAA should be distributed evenly and its just not as we all know. If anyone wants to deny that and say Dublin have not been given more than any other county over the last number of years then theres really no point in engaging
Dickie10 wrote: » i can now genuinely see something being brought in to split dublin, thought it was cloud cuckoo stuff before but i think it will now come in within 10 years, it will be a marketing dept dream, the dublin dearby etc, seen as a huge rivalry. look what thwy have done with leinster v munster , how many people went to leinster rugby games in 1990? about 300? dublin gaa will go the same way, maybe keep the same tcounty board for a long time maybe introduce a dublin B team into the league? or a Fingal team and Dun Laoighre Rathdown team? try it in league for a while what harm would it do? the precedent is thier with Fingal in hurling
corny wrote: » Is such an admission the point of the thread? I thought it was about saving the Leinster Championship. Distribute the development money evenly and Dublin will still mop the floor with Kildare and Meath. Whats your solution?
Username Exists. wrote: » Thats Kerrys centre of excellence paid forhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-20335403.html No centre of excellence in Dublin BTW just a club's pitch for winter training and an old christian brothers pitch in summer.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Because there's a much bigger catchment area and potential pool of players that could be convinced to take up the game at grassroots level, thus deserving of investment.
highgiant1985 wrote: » To me this is the nub of the problem. Larger player pool to pick from leads to a stronger squad. It's just maths really. (i) I believe every child should have the opportunity to play and be involved so I wouldn't like to see any change to the funding models that would impact on under age. (ii) However it also has to be acknowledged Dublin's dominance is killing the game. A strong Dublin is important to the championship but only where there's genuine competition. The easy option would be to divide the county in to two teams. There may be better options either. I don't claim to have a perfect solution but I do believe something has to change. I mean realistically can people see anyone but Dublin continuing to win Leinster for the next decade at least?
dobman88 wrote: » I dont have a solution and thankfully, me or anyone else on this thread wont ever be required to create one. As was pointed out by kayroo, the gaa have the template to put this into practice in other counties the same way they have done with Dublin. They should be doing it.
corny wrote: » There's no equivalence though, unless Meath and Kildare have huge non playing GAA centres i'm unaware of. I'm sure they can get some more kids playing but there's no Castleknock or a huge Southside club in waiting. The development money was used to get children playing GAA in Dublin. It worked (something we should all applaud despite the affect on the county game) and now you have Dublin clubs with memberships and playing numbers that would probably entitle them to be a county teams in their right. Do you honestly believe taking away a few bob is going to stop these clubs producing players? Do you think the standard just falls away when the development money is redistributed? Some of the occasional posters (who are just noise on this) pushing the 'manufactured footballer' line can delude themselves into thinking it does but 100% they're wrong. The standard pushed by the Dublin club scene now and then on into a well funded county team virtually assures Dublin a good team. They have a huge pool to choose from. As someone remarked, a player drops his standard even 1% and his place is taken by a quality player eager to make a mark. From their starting point (now) that is difficult with a capital D for Meath and Kildare to compete with. Development money or these templates you're talking about won't make a difference. Kayroo (sorry Kayroo) is a champion because he takes the moderate line as a Dub.:rolleyes: That doesn't make him right.
dobman88 wrote: » The bit you say about development money not working. It's been proven to work emphatically with Dublin. So makes sense it should be rolled out.
Uncle Pierre wrote: » You're funny. Here's a figure: 252 new Covid-19 cases announced in Ireland today. But that's not my figure. I'm simply posting something that I saw elsewhere. So is the figure worthless? But on a more serious note....I posted the figures simply because somebody asked for them. They didn't ask for scrutiny or analysis of those figures, and nor did I purport to give them. It really is as simple as that.
corny wrote: » There's no thought behind what you're saying. I've pointed out the lack of an equivalence. The previously untapped playing populations that the development money mobilised are unique to Dublin. It won't have the same impact elsewhere and thus won't address the disparity in standards. The view that the money is the answer is simplistic in the extreme and certainly not the definitive view you thought it was.
Turfcutter wrote: » Well if Dublin fans are denying that money has anything to do with their dominance, then they shouldn't be bothered if it was distributed more equably... Isn't that right?
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