Solutionking wrote: » I was asking if SF was going to help stop people dying in Northern Ireland because of Covid. Seemingly they are incapable of doing that. What a useless party
Deleted User wrote: » Essentially yes,stormont has been.a failure,hence the need for reunification The petition of concern can be used by either side to stop one side bullying other and prevent institional sectarianism....the dup used this to stop covid restrictions Its been used 49 times since it was brought in,47 of them.by the DUP to close down things like irish language acts,funding for gaa clubs etc etc....a wholy committed bunch of bigots,who have gone too far with their carryon surronding covid....... these people have no time for,nor interest in powersharing,never will,its time to press on with reunification
blanch152 wrote: » If it has been used predominantly by one party, shouldn't the question be whether it is that party is the problem rather than the system? I have pointed earlier to the fact that neither of the large parties have demonstrated an ability to govern outside of Northern Ireland, despite both having had opportunities. Pressing on with reunification, while ignoring the genuine concerns and ambitions of the other side, is repeating the mistakes of the past.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Desperate lying again. Victims exploited, now a dead man exploited for the political digs. You know that there was never supposed to be a 'burial'. Pointing out the evidence of that in his funeral notice isn't enough. You have no shame.
Bambi wrote: » Parading around a cemetary in full regalia when there's isn't a burial seems fairly tacky tbh but SF do like to do show funerals For a government party during a lockdown to break its own regulations to parade around a cemetary like some sort of paramilitary panto is not acceptable and there was no accountability from SF on it. Are their opponents using it as a stick to beat them with? Yes, but its a stick of their own making.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Nothing came 'out of the blue'. Stop making excuses for FG (Varadkar) and Donnelly.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/timeline-nphet-level-5-recommendation-who-knew-what-and-when-1.4375677
grayzer75 wrote: » Ah so if you're not buried you're not dead and your funeral is fake, dead on.
After he changed his mind, the public narrative coalesced around a vague notion that Varadkar was too hasty when he raised concerns over a move to Level 5, and that he was wrong to say what he said that night. But was he, really? Let’s remind ourselves of his complaints about the then-proposed four-week move to the strictest tier of restrictions, and compare that to where the State is now, just over four weeks into the latest round of restrictions. He doesn’t seem too far wrong from this vantage Varadkar complained that there was no evidence that a Level 5 lockdown, which has put hundreds of thousands of people out of work, would be “enough”, although he didn’t define what enough might be. He asked a reasonable question about what would happen if Level 5 didn’t sufficiently drive down virus numbers. As the decline in the infection numbers has stalled over the last week and the daily rate has settled between 350 and 450 new cases, Varadkar’s thesis looks like it may be about to be tested. Some public health experts have suggested in recent days that the decline in the daily rate may have stalled temporarily due to the schools’ midterm break and the celebrations around Halloween. We can still hope that it turns out to be the case and the downward trajectory resumes to some degree. But what if it doesn’t? Varadkar said on Claire Byrne Live that, if progress under lockdown stalled, the State would have to make a choice between “abandoning the process or proceeding regardless”. Nphet, he argued, hadn’t “contemplated” that situation. Unless the current situation improves, it looks as if it may need to contemplate it soon. Ministers, including Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly, have suggested there is “no appetite” for extending the Level 5 restrictions beyond December 1st, regardless of whether there is further improvement or not. Economic lobbyists, meanwhile, are up in arms. The point is that Varadkar seemed to anticipate six weeks ago that a lockdown might not work as well as hoped and that the public’s support for it could wane, whereas Nphet didn’t appear to have considered that as a real issue at all. The public health advisers seemed prepared to junk the economy for a month or more because they were apparently so sure that it would be worth it. But the current situation suggests Varadkar may have been correct to raise his concerns. While some friction between the Government and Nphet might actually be a good thing in helping to find the right balance between public health concerns and the economy, it does have one major downside – it gives a licence to the cranks among us who are only too gleeful to lambaste everybody else for laxity in adhering to the what is among the strictest anti-virus regimes in Europe. Here, Nphet has made some clear errors. For example, Holohan’s deputy, Ronan Glynn, was, I believe, ill advised this week to speak publicly about a supposedly “selfish minority” that a few cranks then sought to blame for the stalling of progress on case numbers. Glynn was responding to the latest in a long line of behaviour-shaming videos on social media, which this time showed people drinking takeaway pints outside in small groups, albeit all on the same street, in Dublin. The self-righteous sensed the nod from above and had a field day, even though there is no significant risk attached to outdoor drinking in small groups, and the video was too recent for the behaviour it captured to be a factor in the trajectory of virus numbers that we are now seeing. A certain amount of human failure should be expected in any coherent strategy. So let’s not burn our fellow citizens at the stake for their failings just yet. There is also still a week-and-a-half to go of the Level 5 restrictions and the hope that a modicum of progress may resume has not yet evaporated completely. Then, it will be time to reopen the economy again, and also to hold our nerve
Solutionking wrote: » If anything this proves it is not time for reunification. If Northern Ireland is in such a flux then a reunification vote is last thing they need, that will only increase the issues
SF need to sit down and act like a proper political party, which they claim to be, and work for the people that voted them in. Not sit back watching them die and blame others.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Yes, SF deserve criticism for the mistake. But it's the hypocrisy of those wielding the sticks that is hilarious and the lies they have to tell about fake funerals and empty coffins that are preposterous.
IngazZagni wrote: » Did you even read the full article? Tony comes to work 2 days early and it's only on Sunday evening that the Taoiseach and Tanaiste are informed of Tonys reccomendation of level 5 to be implemented 24 hours later! Thats after level 3 being okay on the Thursday meeting. Thats outrageous carry on from NPHET. Anyway it's clear you have a different opinion so we will agree to disagree.
blanch152 wrote: » Shoot the messenger again.https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-feins-dublin-office-paid-for-advertising-for-party-event-in-belfast-39777578.html In the meantime, the money resting in accounts goes around in circles from North to South. How can SF be considered a normal political party?
FrancieBrady wrote: » He is the appointed expert. It was a fluid situation. We had to go to Level 5 anyway. Had Varadkar the PR addict held his tongue all of this would have stayed where it belonged - confidential. Maybe he had his nasty little attack for the 'good of the country'. NPHET did their job. Did the government? Within days they had to review the 'job' they did and go to Level 5.
Solutionking wrote: » SF need to sit down and act like a proper political party, which they claim to be, and work for the people that voted them in. Not sit back watching them die and blame others.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Deflecting from you fake funeral lies are you blanch? If they broke the rules then they should pay whatever penalty is set for breaking them.
Deleted User wrote: » Meh,points to me stormont has failed and will never work,time to pull the plug on that experiment Dress it up,whatever way yous want,the DUP are ones who pulled the plug on covid restrictions,when all this covid is over (likely by april imo),its time to pull plug on stormont,they have been let away with bladgarding too long abusing the POC
blanch152 wrote: » Carrying a body to a graveyard, pretending to have a graveside oration and ceremony before sneaking the body off to be cremated elsewhere fits the definition of a fake funeral.
Solutionking wrote: » You refer to the North as "Meh". How many people died to get the Good Friday Agreement in place and you say "Meh". I am sure all those men, women and children that got killed to get the GFA would expect the political parties to start working, not look for excuses
IngazZagni wrote: » I'm assuming you didn't have to worry about losing your job once level 5 kicked in. That was the biggest issue. The supports needed to be in place and it would have been impossible in that scenario.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Lies...anyone who read the funeral notice and the SF release would know this. Nobody 'pretended' anything. Ask the PSNI if they knew that Storey was going to the crematorium? Ask the council if they knew. You are blatantly lying to keep your 'FAKE' outrage going.
blanch152 wrote: » I was going to say it was a pageant but that would be inaccurate, more like a pantomine because Sinn Fein were playing the rest of us for laughs.
blanch152 wrote: » Doesn't wash Francie, doesn't wash. No matter how many times you explain that in some Sinn Fein email or an obscure death notice hidden in page 17 of An Phravda it was made clear, it doesn't wash. Even some of the media reports on the day reported him being buried in the cemetery. It was a fake funeral presented to the world as something it wasn't.
Deleted User wrote: » I refered to stormont as meh....it deosnt work and never will Why waste any more time or resources pretending it will,better off putting the time and resources into reunification imo Can you honestly see stormont working ever,with the way the DUP carryon? Hide behind hysterical and emotional posting all you want,but they've had 20 years to make it work and its been an utter failure
grayzer75 wrote: » Most of what you say about this is from the fictional thoughts inside your wee head.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I refered to stormont as meh....it deosnt work and never will Why waste any more time or resources pretending it will,better off putting the time and resources into reunification imo Can you honestly see stormont working ever,with the way the DUP carryon? Hide behind hysterical and emotional posting all you want,but they've had 20 years to make it work and its been an utter failure
Solutionking wrote: » I'm not hiding behind anything. Thousands of people died to get a GFA and Stormont and now it just "Meh". The utter failure is on the part of SF and DUP. The lack of ability for either party to work for the voters. So fix those two and then Stormont is prefect. A bit of respect would be nice around this forum.
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