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Good calving cameras / security cameras

Tig98

Im away getting a degree and so my input on the home farm is gone way way down. I do feel a degree of guilt about leaving the work up to my father, but at the end of the day Ive to do my own thing too.

I was thinking itd be a nice idea to get some calving cameras set up for the spring, itd take some bit of pressure off him if he didn't have to get dressed and go down to check the cows in the small hours. Does anyone have any good recommendations? Theres a good 150 meters between the house and the calving shed, so I don't think WiFi cameras would be much good. Hassle of laying a physical wire that distance though and trying to mind it isnt ideal either.

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emaherx

Its quite possible that you are both right

Its always going to be best advice to avoid trees as much as practical, but the m5 nanostations have a 15km+ range with clear line of sight. Its safe to say the trees will have greatly reduced their range but but obviously not below 400m

Anyone considering the cheaper devices with a max range of 1KM may not be as lucky by trying to penetrate a row of trees over the same distance.

orm0nd

Avns1s wrote: »

That would not be my experience!
I'd be pretty sure that 12 ft. wide barrier of conifers will absolutely kill any wireless signal, particularly when wet if it's blocking the line of sight.

400 mtrs through 2 thick tree barriers here. 50 mtrs apart. with m5 stations set at 30mhz bandwidth.
but if you say different I don't doubt you.

Avns1s

orm0nd wrote: »

Unless they're very dense the trees won't affect it especially if you use 2.4 Ghz stations.

That would not be my experience!
I'd be pretty sure that 12 ft. wide barrier of conifers will absolutely kill any wireless signal, particularly when wet if it's blocking the line of sight.

orm0nd

Holly Tree Farm wrote: »

Lmao no you didn’t ramble, I’m just not very technically minded and all that POE and passive just lost me ðŸ˜‚ I want to get something that will do the job as cheap as poss but not that cheap that I’m going to be wasting my money, if you know what I mean? ðŸ˜€ will keep following this thread. The only problem I have at the moment is that we have a row of 40ft high 12ft wide conifers in between the house and the barn where we need them? These will be coming down soon though ðŸ˜€

Unless they're very dense the trees won't affect it especially if you use 2.4 Ghz stations.

Holly Tree Farm

emaherx wrote: »

I'm sorry I've been known to ramble on a bit.

If you are looking for a cheap wireless bridge, from the description this should do fine. But I can't vouch for the quality as I've never used this brand but at £54 surely they are worth a go.

On the POE, these will work from their own power supplies using standard ethernet cables so you don't need to worry too much about my previous comments. Just understand that they can't be powered from other industry standard POE devices like a POE switch. But as they ship with their own non standard POE power supplies you won't have an issue.

If you are buying cameras that are passive POE its the same thing, but again you'll not have an issue using any power supplies provided with them.

Lmao no you didn’t ramble, I’m just not very technically minded and all that POE and passive just lost me ðŸ˜‚ I want to get something that will do the job as cheap as poss but not that cheap that I’m going to be wasting my money, if you know what I mean? ðŸ˜€ will keep following this thread. The only problem I have at the moment is that we have a row of 40ft high 12ft wide conifers in between the house and the barn where we need them? These will be coming down soon though ðŸ˜€

emaherx

westlander wrote: »

Thanks for that one last question before I shell out the cash ðŸ˜
Does the first one /preconfigured paired setup one does that work without having to physically connect up all 3 parts with cables.... I mean does that setup work without any need for cables?

Not sure what you mean.
Both units need a cable to at least the power supply.

It may be possible to get them to act as repeaters without a network cable to your router but this is not how they are preconfigured. And honestly I think running a cable from your router to the device would best. Its always better to run a cable as much as possible and have as few wireless links as possible.

I don't think they have enough radios to repeat a WiFi router efficiently especially not if you want to do it in 3 hops. This would be one of these cases where you'll get what you pay for and a simple wireless bridge to join 2 wired networks at £54 is pretty good value.

westlander

emaherx wrote: »

The one I've linked is a preconfigured pair of devices to create a wireless bridge between 2 buildings and can link to wired devices in both buildings.

The TP link is a better known brand but is configured as an access point. I'd have to see the manual to see if it supports a bridge mode also. If it can do a bridge you'd need 2 of them.

Depending on the layout of your yard it may well suit your needs as an access point, it would need a cable running from the router in your house and then positioned in a central position in the yard but from there you'd need all your devices cameras etc to be WiFi enabled.

From a hardware point of view these are very similar devices, but the software may limit whether they can act as Access points or bridges or even both simultaneously. Obviously since the TP link is only one device it's essentially twice the price.

Edit:
This one is designed to create a bridge with a claimed range of 15KM you'd need 2 of them.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-300Mbps-dual-polarized-directional-CPE510/dp/B00N2RO63U

Thanks for that one last question before I shell out the cash 😁
Does the first one /preconfigured paired setup one does that work without having to physically connect up all 3 parts with cables.... I mean does that setup work without any need for cables?

emaherx

westlander wrote: »

Same boat here want to make use of the WiFi in house to go out to the shed (100 metres away)instead of paying a separate top up bill

@ emaherx What’s the difference between this one you post above :
https://www.amazon.co.uk/KuWFi-Wireless-Supports-Transmission-Distance/dp/B07Z4R827X/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1GN0SVN8NP3F1&dchild=1&keywords=point+to+point+wifi&qid=1606133808&sprefix=point+to+%2Caps%2C199&sr=8-3

And this one:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Waterproof-Installation-Controller-EAP110-Outdoor/dp/B01N4EGN6H/ref=asc_df_B01N4EGN6H/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309947853784&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8734991022110678440&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=20480&hvtargid=pla-405803833561&psc=1&th=1&psc=1

Thanks

The one I've linked is a preconfigured pair of devices to create a wireless bridge between 2 buildings and can link to wired devices in both buildings.

The TP link is a better known brand but is configured as an access point. I'd have to see the manual to see if it supports a bridge mode also. If it can do a bridge you'd need 2 of them.

Depending on the layout of your yard it may well suit your needs as an access point, it would need a cable running from the router in your house and then positioned in a central position in the yard but from there you'd need all your devices cameras etc to be WiFi enabled.

From a hardware point of view these are very similar devices, but the software may limit whether they can act as Access points or bridges or even both simultaneously. Obviously since the TP link is only one device it's essentially twice the price.

Edit:
This one is designed to create a bridge with a claimed range of 15KM you'd need 2 of them.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-300Mbps-dual-polarized-directional-CPE510/dp/B00N2RO63U

westlander

sob1467 wrote: »

Great thank you for this.

Same boat here want to make use of the WiFi in house to go out to the shed (100 metres away)instead of paying a separate top up bill

@ emaherx What’s the difference between this one you post above :
https://www.amazon.co.uk/KuWFi-Wireless-Supports-Transmission-Distance/dp/B07Z4R827X/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1GN0SVN8NP3F1&dchild=1&keywords=point+to+point+wifi&qid=1606133808&sprefix=point+to+%2Caps%2C199&sr=8-3

And this one:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Waterproof-Installation-Controller-EAP110-Outdoor/dp/B01N4EGN6H/ref=asc_df_B01N4EGN6H/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309947853784&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8734991022110678440&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=20480&hvtargid=pla-405803833561&psc=1&th=1&psc=1

Thanks

emaherx

Holly Tree Farm wrote: »

Hi sorry for jumping in on this, but we are in the same position as the original poster. I was following most of what was being said, but not been very technically minded, i got lost on your last post about poe standards lol. Would this be adequate for what we would needhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/KuWFi-Wireless-Supports-transmission-application/dp/B07Z4KHHLN/ref=asc_df_B07Z4KHHLN/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310842873031&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4429376369160098959&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=20474&hvtargid=pla-886907281802&th=1

I'm sorry I've been known to ramble on a bit.

If you are looking for a cheap wireless bridge, from the description this should do fine. But I can't vouch for the quality as I've never used this brand but at £54 surely they are worth a go.

On the POE, these will work from their own power supplies using standard ethernet cables so you don't need to worry too much about my previous comments. Just understand that they can't be powered from other industry standard POE devices like a POE switch. But as they ship with their own non standard POE power supplies you won't have an issue.

If you are buying cameras that are passive POE its the same thing, but again you'll not have an issue using any power supplies provided with them.

Holly Tree Farm

emaherx wrote: »

1 yes
2 no need for router in shed (posibly a switch for more than one network device)
3 yes, power in shed, Power for bridge and camera can be supplied over the ethernet cable so one double socket will do for the 2 power supplies.
4 cable direct to bridge device if one network camera or switch if multiple
5 If one PTZ camera will cover you then thats it

The only pit fall here with powering over the ethernet cable using POE (Power over ethernet). There are a number of different standards as well as non standard Passive POE. The link I provided for the point to point kit uses passive POE which just injects power from their PSU into otherwise unused wires in 10/100 ethernet networks using 2 network cables that simply pass through the PSU.

IEEE 802.3af for example is one of the POE standards used in networking and requires a POE switch or injector which conforms to the same standard in order to work. There is more info here https://www.black-box.de/en-de/page/23894/Resources/Technical-Resources/Black-Box-Explains/lan/PoE-in-Networking it is very important to not mix the POE types as you may cause harm for a start propper POE uses 48V and most Passive POE devices use 12V(or any voltage they feel like), there are other techcnical differences also.

CCTV cmaera's may conform to the POE standards but many cheaper ones just use passive POE.

Hi sorry for jumping in on this, but we are in the same position as the original poster. I was following most of what was being said, but not been very technically minded, i got lost on your last post about poe standards lol. Would this be adequate for what we would needhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/KuWFi-Wireless-Supports-transmission-application/dp/B07Z4KHHLN/ref=asc_df_B07Z4KHHLN/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310842873031&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4429376369160098959&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=20474&hvtargid=pla-886907281802&th=1

emaherx

curiousinvestor wrote: »

In a similar boat here. 150m line of sight to shed.
So I need :
1, Wifi bridge at house connected to router at house.
2. Other wifi bridge at shed connected to a new router.
3.Power supply in shed. To bridge, new router and camera ?
4. Wire/ cable connecting new router to camera.
5. One new ptz camera ?
Just trying to get my head in the right place, am I missing anything

1 yes
2 no need for router in shed (posibly a switch for more than one network device)
3 yes, power in shed, Power for bridge and camera can be supplied over the ethernet cable so one double socket will do for the 2 power supplies.
4 cable direct to bridge device if one network camera or switch if multiple
5 If one PTZ camera will cover you then thats it

The only pit fall here with powering over the ethernet cable using POE (Power over ethernet). There are a number of different standards as well as non standard Passive POE. The link I provided for the point to point kit uses passive POE which just injects power from their PSU into otherwise unused wires in 10/100 ethernet networks using 2 network cables that simply pass through the PSU.

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IEEE 802.3af for example is one of the POE standards used in networking and requires a POE switch or injector which conforms to the same standard in order to work. There is more info here https://www.black-box.de/en-de/page/23894/Resources/Technical-Resources/Black-Box-Explains/lan/PoE-in-Networking it is very important to not mix the POE types as you may cause harm for a start propper POE uses 48V and most Passive POE devices use 12V(or any voltage they feel like), there are other techcnical differences also.

CCTV cmaera's may conform to the POE standards but many cheaper ones just use passive POE.

emaherx

The disclaimer part for my link is I've not used these ones and only stumbled across them today.

But, height is not required, unless you need to go over an object, so idealy if you can place them in a position where they have clear line of sight as radio waves travel in straight lines. In reality you may not need completly clear line of site as the signal may penetrate through some walls, but the number of walls and the materials will have an impact so best avoided as much as possible.

They certainly look easy setup, I was looking to see if there were preconfigured nanostation pairs advertised as this would also be simple. Here is the link I had in mind but it says discontinued: https://www.irishwireless.net/point-to-point-kits/small-business-ptp/nsm5-ptp-kit the price is considerably more too.

For your camera's would a single PTZ cover your needs or multiple static cameras? This really comes down to how your sheds and pens are layed out and or personal preferance.

curiousinvestor

In a similar boat here. 150m line of sight to shed.
So I need :
1, Wifi bridge at house connected to router at house.
2. Other wifi bridge at shed connected to a new router.
3.Power supply in shed. To bridge, new router and camera ?
4. Wire/ cable connecting new router to camera.
5. One new ptz camera ?
Just trying to get my head in the right place, am I missing anything

Tig98

Im with GoMo myself and the coverage on the farm is nearly nonexistent so thats a no go!
The nanostations might do the job alright, and the one you linked doesnt look as complex as other ones in regards of setting up. Does the master station have to be stationed up high on the exterior of the house to work? That one picture of it on a chimney threw me a bit! I wouldn't be the most tech savvy but Id surely be able to get it going.

Budget wise, probably not over €200. No point getting dealz quality ones that have to be replaced in two years, but no need for all the bells and whistles either. Once the nanostation is set up and there's WiFi in the shed could I set up a smart bulb, or do you need an ethernet connection to get the WiFi? The night time would be the biggest use of it so no point if it wont work in the dark, be it night vision cameras or remote lighting

sob1467

emaherx wrote: »

I went to look for a link to 2 pre configured nanostations that I'd come across previously but couldn't find it.
I did however come across this https://www.amazon.co.uk/KuWFi-Wireless-Supports-Transmission-Distance/dp/B07Z4R827X/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1GN0SVN8NP3F1&dchild=1&keywords=point+to+point+wifi&qid=1606133808&sprefix=point+to+%2Caps%2C199&sr=8-3 which seems very cheap but it looks to be a simple solution and claims to cover 1KM

Great thank you for this.

emaherx

I went to look for a link to 2 pre configured nanostations that I'd come across previously but couldn't find it.
I did however come across this https://www.amazon.co.uk/KuWFi-Wireless-Supports-Transmission-Distance/dp/B07Z4R827X/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1GN0SVN8NP3F1&dchild=1&keywords=point+to+point+wifi&qid=1606133808&sprefix=point+to+%2Caps%2C199&sr=8-3 which seems very cheap but it looks to be a simple solution and claims to cover 1KM

emaherx

sob1467 wrote: »

I was in a similar boat to you a few months ago. Shed was just a bit too far away from the house to boost the WiFi signal too, despite buying two different boosters on Amazon to see if it would work.

After the boosters didn't work I tested a GoMo Sim Card in the shed. There was good 4G coverage there. Bought a 4G Wifi Router .

Devices sold as WiFi boosters were never going to work for this job.
The nanostations are not a "Booster" but are designed for the purpose of creating a point to point link and can work over a few KM with line of sight.

You could consider this for your own setup and save the €10 a month.
There is of course nothing technically wrong with your setup and it is ideal for those who have no chance of setting up such a point to point link.

sob1467

I was in a similar boat to you a few months ago. Shed was just a bit too far away from the house to boost the WiFi signal too, despite buying two different boosters on Amazon to see if it would work.

After the boosters didn't work I tested a GoMo Sim Card in the shed. There was good 4G coverage there. Bought a 4G Wifi Router (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07S7DMY3H/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1) it cost £100 now up to £130, but a similar cheaper one would do.

Put the router into this waterproof box (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003O2X6T8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) costing £18.50

I bought two Xiaomi outdoor WIFI cameras (https://www.amazon.co.uk/YI-Security-Surveillance-Waterproof-Detection/dp/B0794TN8J5/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-drs1_0?cv_ct_cx=yi%2Bcamera&dchild=1&keywords=yi%2Bcamera&pd_rd_i=B0794TN8J5&pd_rd_r=d0390f6a-fb62-4a7a-b3a2-a5d36df72d18&pd_rd_w=xtwOi&pd_rd_wg=P3Dd5&pf_rd_p=8bbe1fe3-6a47-48c4-8724-0f81b51372a6&pf_rd_r=WBYSMFFZ5BWJFNG7S8K5&qid=1606131234&sr=1-1-69f2aa40-4718-4485-ba0d-6c4119696677&th=1 ) These are currently £35 each.

So:
Router £100
Waterproof box £18.50
2x Cameras £35 = £70
Total : £188.50 and €10 monthly for GoMo subscription for 4G

The system is pretty good, it has caught a good few cows calving. The camera quality is very strong up to 1080p and is available on phone, tablets, computers all at the same time and I have had no issue with data limits on GoMo neither. It is one option for you.

emaherx

Tig98 wrote: »

Im away getting a degree and so my input on the home farm is gone way way down. I do feel a degree of guilt about leaving the work up to my father, but at the end of the day Ive to do my own thing too.

I was thinking itd be a nice idea to get some calving cameras set up for the spring, itd take some bit of pressure off him if he didn't have to get dressed and go down to check the cows in the small hours. Does anyone have any good recommendations? Theres a good 150 meters between the house and the calving shed, so I don't think WiFi cameras would be much good. Hassle of laying a physical wire that distance though and trying to mind it isnt ideal either.

Have you a budget in mind?

Fixed position cameras? Or PTZ? (PTZ pan tilt zoom)

2 nanostations or similar will give you a WiFi link over 150m easily.

There are loads of options for cameras from very cheap to eye watering. Cheap cameras may have poor night vision but this can be over come with lights in the shed. Very expensive cameras can read a tag from across the shed in the dark.

I started off with a Floureon 8ch DVR with 4 wired cameras. It cost about €60 it's done fine for past 3 years. But night vision is poor and getting poorer as infrared LED's are failing, it's not a major issue as I put a smart switch in to turn on lights in the shed. Also the app is annoying in that it runs in the background and can drain battery on your phone if you don't force quit it after viewing.

I'm currently upgrading my system to Hikvision DVR and cameras which are used quite widely by CCTV installers.