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I have been a dancer in Dublin for a decade started in my early 20s a lot of the girls I work with are sound and believe me it’s definitely nothing you see on tv. However Ireland seems to have this negative attitude towards women in this industry or deems us all sex addicts or easy when the woman who gets bread in her local supermarket could be doing all kinds of dirty things that’s way worse than dancing and it seems to be okay because she’s doing it for free I don’t get the mindset of some of these people we have stage names in work to protect our identity.

Part of this job comes with a lot of stigma there’s been a few girls who had people find out their day jobs and contact their boss to try and get them fired it’s normally women who rat them out and try to ruin their lives over it. There’s nothing I’d love more than to be open about my job and how it’s helped me get through some dark times in my life but I just couldn’t handle all the derogatory labels and insults and lows people will go to try and ruin your life over it. Since covid hit I don’t know how the strip club industry in Dublin is going to survive.

I want to know what your opinions are on strippers and the likes of using onlyfans to make money nothing you say is going to bother me it’s more curios why people have a begrudging attitude towards these things when they do worse things for free with their husbands boyfriend or a random Jack the lad from coppers In Dublin on a night out.

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anewme

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What exactly do you want me to read there? I know the legislation is coming, but it won't end this behaviour. We have laws against all sorts of things and people still do it.

The taking and sharing of intimate images and video is naive behaviour. If you left €200 in the middle of O'connell st, yes it's a crime for someone to come along and take it on you, but would you really expect it to be still there an hour or two later? It's a big bad world we live in sadly and there are people out there who will take advantage.

So the first line of defence here should be to protect yourself and not create the images in the first instance. If legislation is needed as a second line of defence, then so be it. The law won't stop phones being stolen and contents uploaded.

A risk of prosecution will deter some people, whether you agree or not. Once a prosectution takes place - it will start to filter down - especially the likes of the "lads" spreading banter that this type of behaviour will impact your future. Same as sending hate to people on Twitter/Insta has recently led to people being arrested (footballer chap, dont know who he is)

Seeing

Yurt2

seamus wrote: »

All that aside, just because you took naked photos of yourself, doesn't mean it's your fault if they get stolen or leaked.

This is the "she was wearing a short skirt" claim.

Just because it's not a good idea to share these photos of onesself, does not make you at fault if someone takes advantage of that.

Exactly the same way that a woman walking alone in a dodgy part of town in the middle of the night is not a good idea, doesn't mean she bares any blame for what may befall her.

There is no good reason why sharing private intimate photos with an audience they weren't inteneded for, shouldn't be a criminal offence. It's a violation on the sexual assault scale. Lower down, but one nonetheless.

For the adult women who willingly shared sexual content on a pornography platform, my sympathy is extremely limited. I understand this is the overwhelming majority of the "leak". In this case, I completely disagree with your "asking for it analogy" and for far reaching laws to be hastily written off the back of a feminist moral panic is dangerous indeed.

Genuine intimate videos shared with a partner is a different matter and while we should tread carefully, some sort of legal parameters should be set down I agree.

MrMusician18

anewme wrote: »

See attached.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/new-offence-to-carry-up-to-7-years-jail-for-sharing-sexual-images-without-consent-1040338.html?fbclid=IwAR23PBQBCHEfH1NPfyGmd5VGnmyBGmuRVZHgorZHn4Odi0m7t4p5VWpvmFg

What exactly do you want me to read there? I know the legislation is coming, but it won't end this behaviour. We have laws against all sorts of things and people still do it.

The taking and sharing of intimate images and video is naive behaviour. If you left €200 in the middle of O'connell st, yes it's a crime for someone to come along and take it on you, but would you really expect it to be still there an hour or two later? It's a big bad world we live in sadly and there are people out there who will take advantage.

So the first line of defence here should be to protect yourself and not create the images in the first instance. If legislation is needed as a second line of defence, then so be it. The law won't stop phones being stolen and contents uploaded.

Gatling

anewme wrote: »

Your definition of victims in this instance are different than others.

What is the definition of the victims here in this specific incident that nobody had found any evidence that it actually happened bar a few people on twitter have claimed.

Nothing no photos ,no videos absolutely nothing has been found relating to this

[Deleted User]

Padre_Pio wrote: »

I assume OnlyFans stuff wouldn't be intimate?

That is very true too..

Padre_Pio

seamus wrote: »

1. The image must be "intimate" (this is defined in the law)

What is the definition?

I assume OnlyFans stuff wouldn't be intimate?

anewme

kippy wrote: »

This "victim blaming" term is not helpful to victims.

Your definition of victims in this instance are different than others. So thats where the discrepancies show up.

Gatling

Sharing these images From porn sites is been equated to streaming premier League matches on line .

There is no Victims of a crime here

,this legislation will only serve to protect revenue streams of foreign based porn streaming sites that's all this is

kippy

anewme wrote: »

See attached.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/new-offence-to-carry-up-to-7-years-jail-for-sharing-sexual-images-without-consent-1040338.html?fbclid=IwAR23PBQBCHEfH1NPfyGmd5VGnmyBGmuRVZHgorZHn4Odi0m7t4p5VWpvmFg

This "victim blaming" term is not helpful to victims.

anewme

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The way to stop the passing around of this content is to not make the content.

If anyone thinks legislation is going to stop this behaviour, they are incredibly naive. The world is full of low people, none moreso than porn, a particularly seedy and cut-throat industry. The only way to protect yourself, is to act yourself - not to be depending on the nanny state to fix your mistake, which it really can't do anyway.

I don't want my nudes shared, so guess what, I haven't taken any and sent them to people. This is all just basic cop-on. I am not condoning the sharing of this stuff btw, just astonished at the lack of personal responsibility that surrounds this issue.

See attached.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/new-offence-to-carry-up-to-7-years-jail-for-sharing-sexual-images-without-consent-1040338.html?fbclid=IwAR23PBQBCHEfH1NPfyGmd5VGnmyBGmuRVZHgorZHn4Odi0m7t4p5VWpvmFg

MrMusician18

anewme wrote: »

That is part of the thinking behind the legislation. It is pushing responsibilty back on those who download and shared it.

Rephrase your words - the way to stop passing around other peoples images is to not do it - - you will end up being prosecuted.

The way to stop the passing around of this content is to not make the content.

If anyone thinks legislation is going to stop this behaviour, they are incredibly naive. The world is full of low people, none moreso than porn, a particularly seedy and cut-throat industry. The only way to protect yourself, is to act yourself - not to be depending on the nanny state to fix your mistake, which it really can't do anyway.

I don't want my nudes shared, so guess what, I haven't taken any and sent them to people. This is all just basic cop-on. I am not condoning the sharing of this stuff btw, just astonished at the lack of personal responsibility that surrounds this issue.

bigpink

Gatling wrote: »

Can anyone explain why a victims advocacy group is actively promoting a porn streaming site and seems to be acting on their behalf

Have you a link?

seamus

Red Pill Deluxe wrote: »

I found an OF girl who has nudes freely available on her Twitter page. If I save those photos am I breaking this new law?

No. Saving the photos alone would not be sufficient.

Even distributing the photos, in itself would not necessarily be in breach of these new laws.

There are 4 tests that have to be passed in order to breach the law;

1. The image must be "intimate" (this is defined in the law)
2. The image has to be (or threatened to be) recorded or distributed or published*
3. It must be done without the subject's consent**
4. It must "seriously interfere with the peace and privacy of the other person or cause alarm, distress or harm to the other person"

So, in the example you give;

1. Pass. The image is "intimate"
2. Pass. The image has been recorded by the act of saving it to your computer
3. Soft pass. You don't have explicity consent of the subject to save this image permanently. But this is debateable.
4. Fail. Your act of downloading the image does not interfere with their privacy or cause harm to them.

So no, it would not be an offence to download some insta model's raunchy pictures.

If she was to later come out and say that she regrets her past and hates the photos she took and wants them taken down, then arguably one could make the case that continuing to distribute them is a crime.

* Any one of these things, it doesn't have to be all. So being in possession of an image is enough even if you don't give it to anyone else

**Whatever act you have done, must be without consent. So if someone gives you consent to record the image, but you distribute it without consent, that is an offence

Gatling

bigpink wrote: »

So the girls doing Onlyfans have no case I take it.They put there stuff online.Apparently they have been telling Irish girls that have an Onlyfans link in there Twitter or Instagram profile to delete it
It's like they want to be sex workers but want it all private aswell??That's very hard to do

Apparently it's possible as long as victims advocacy groups are Pushing it ,
Taught they were supposed to support victims of crimes not encourage and promote online sex work and porn streaming .

banie01

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Have a little think about why evidence of leaks of child pornography has not been released into the public domain.

Have a little think about why nothing, nada, zilch zero evidence of the videos of thousands of Irish women being leaked have surfaced?

There is zero chatter about this anywhere other than from those pushing the narrative.
None.

Not even a whisp of the usual incel knowing bolloxology.
It's a fugazi.

kippy

anewme wrote: »

That is part of the thinking behind the legislation. It is pushing responsibilty back on those who download and shared it.

Rephrase your words - the way to stop passing around other peoples images is to not do it - - you will end up being prosecuted.

The thing is, you won't end up being presecuted. Particularily if legislation looks to meld all these issues into one.

Making the sharing of "copyrighted" material a criminal offence, just because it is of a sexual nature, even though the creator had no issues selling that material online is only going to waste valuable resources that could better be used to at least try and prosecute those that create and share child porn, and material that was never intended for public consumption.

bigpink

So the girls doing Onlyfans have no case I take it.They put there stuff online.Apparently they have been telling Irish girls that have an Onlyfans link in there Twitter or Instagram profile to delete it
It's like they want to be sex workers but want it all private aswell??That's very hard to do

anewme

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Why are people creating and sending these compromising images?
Once you send an image or video, you lose control of it. The only way to stop these being passed around is to not take and send them in the first place.

That is part of the thinking behind the legislation. It is pushing responsibilty back on those who download and shared it.

Rephrase your words - the way to stop passing around other peoples images is to not do it - - you will end up being prosecuted.

Gatling

anewme wrote: »

Because you see it as a non crime - does not mean others do.

What crime has been committed and have you seen any evidence of this .

No ?

anewme

Gatling wrote: »

How about we protect young girls and women in the first place by removing the porn streaming sites and block them from recruiting girls to Stream porn , victim advocates promoting porn streaming sites under some kind of guise of defending victims of a non crime,

Because you see it as a non crime - does not mean others do. If its going in front of Govt to be signed into legislation, then you can believe that there are many who do see it as a crime.

Gatling

Can anyone explain why a victims advocacy group is actively promoting a porn streaming site and seems to be acting on their behalf

MrMusician18

Why are people creating and sending these compromising images?
Once you send an image or video, you lose control of it. The only way to stop these being passed around is to not take and send them in the first place.

anewme

Gatling wrote: »

No you speak for yourself and the majority on here don't support that ,you don't and can't speak for anyone in the so called real world

Well, if you take the presenters on Today FM, they seemed to speak on behalf of their Audience stating that the legislation would be welcomed.

It is fair to say that the majority here (on this thread) and there is a strong lack of diversity of any kind. There are references here to people showing their snatch, demeaning comments etc, which are supported by other contributors that would not form part of a discussion in real life.

So it is totally fair to say the comments here are (in the main) one dimensional.

[Deleted User]

banie01 wrote: »

Linda Hayden? From the Victims Alliance?
She has been the driving voice behind news of the leak, has been on quite a bit of media about it.

Yet still no actual evidence, and rather than hand evidence of this offender to Law enforcement?
They told his mammy?

Have a little think about why evidence of leaks of child pornography has not been released into the public domain.

Gatling

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

do P-hub pay royalties? surely they do if they're as mainstream as they seem to be

They could well do , depending on what business model they employ ,do they have a mix of free and paid for content?

kippy

seamus wrote: »

There has unfortunately been several distinct issues thrown into one here, and the narrative around it is dangerously close to, "We need laws to protect women from men" as opposed to "we need laws to protect people".

An unrelated case that's been throw into the mix is that of Dara Quigley. She had a mental break, was arrested walking down a Dublin street naked. A Garda later filmed the CCTV footage and shared it on WhatsApp.

Clearly, this Garda should be prosecuted.

But it's not the same thing as the distribution of private intimate material in the form of a pornography collection.

My worry is that my conflating all of these unrelated issues into one - revenge porn, child porn, exploitation, copyright - there's a risk that it will get dismissed as man-hating women wanting to make it illegal to look at a naked woman, and the very real problem of sharing private sexual material will be lost in the noise.

Agreed.
There are a numerous issues at play here.

Ash.J.Williams

do P-hub pay royalties? surely they do if they're as mainstream as they seem to be

Gatling

anewme wrote: »

The key words here is without consent.

When people see there are criminal repercussions for doing this, they might think twice before doing it.

How about we protect young girls and women in the first place by removing the porn streaming sites and block them from recruiting girls to Stream porn , victim advocates promoting porn streaming sites under some kind of guise of defending victims of a non crime,

anewme

Akrasia wrote: »

If it was just looking at photos how would she have traced him? He wasn’t just looking at them, he was sharing them and commenting on them. It’s hard to claim a virtuous right to anonymity while circulating photos and videos of other people who do not want those images to be seen

The key words here is without consent.

When people see there are criminal repercussions for doing this, they might think twice before doing it.

Gatling

Akrasia wrote: »

Is this because you think she couldn’t have found a 16 year old New Zealander involved in this kind of thing, or shouldn’t have?

Do you think revenge porn is completely fabricated? Because I have personal knowledge of a man who took photographs of his then partner while she was sleeping and then threatened to post them online when their relationship broke down

In the case she claimed I believe she made it all up to gain some kind of likes and status and effect for her story .

On the second point what you described is revenge porn and it's he's a complete scumbag but there is several law covering the subject ,in that case imo , revenge porn , domestic abuse and coercive control .

Onlyfans isn't the same thing it's sex workers selling their photos and videos and in many cases making large amount of money doing so and undeclared income I believe , that's about only about money they the sex workers see their income fall if their videos and photos are readily available free .
It's nothing to do with revenge porn or blackmail it's about money and nothing more ,

Explain why none of these activists have called for controls to be put on these sites such as onlyfans , instead they are pushing the site as some kind of legimate employment minus paying taxes and the likes