Itssoeasy wrote: » I’m listening to the Americast podcast from bbc sounds and they are playing parts of the Giuliani press conference and him talking about the movie my cousin vinny(which I hadn’t heard).How dare he sully the name of Mona Lisa Vito and vinny Gambini.
TomOnBoard wrote: » I've seldom seen a more scathing decision by a judge. Clearly all the more scathing as Rudey/Trump must now decide if this is the case they will appeal to the Supreme Court. They are truly running out of rope, and this case will embarrass the SCOTUS if they choose to take it on. They need a case to go to SCOTUS in order for the final piece of their increasingly ludicrous Plan B to proceed further.
spacecoyote wrote: » And their latest line is....we're really happy that the judge dismissed the case so quickly, and we hope more judges will throw out our cases just as quickly, so we can get this moved up to the supreme court as soon as possible. You would hope that the SC dismiss this farce just as scathingly
TomOnBoard wrote: » Assuming it actually gets to them, the SCOTUS needs 4 Justices to grant a "writ of certiorari" before even considering it. That's the 1st hurdle Trump/Rudey need to cross. If it does grant certiorari, that would mean they'd have to opine- then the **** would truly hit the fan in 'Murica.. ANYONE trying to make a silk purse out of this sow's ear will be pilloried for centuries to come!
StringerBell wrote: » It will be interesting to see if they ever actually find an appeal with some standing that could even be taken up by the SC.
1123heavy wrote: » The last option is to take everything to the Supreme Court and they can overrule the state courts ruling. It’s necessary to go to the local then state courts first, then finally the Supreme Court. A lot of people are putting their reputation on the line, they are that confident they have evidence of significant election fraud, the Dominion Software seems to be a big part of it. Either what they have is a hoax or there is greater corruption in our govt then ever imagined and if that was exposed now Donald Trump would go down as one of the greatest presidents in history. PA is definitely a blow but it’s not over yet, if they have something real they can take it before the Supreme Court and they can overrule every state courts ruling so far and demand a thorough investigation of the votes and corruption allegations. If they have real evidence then partisanship should not be an issue since there are 5 conservatives, 3 liberals and 1 moderate. The gap Biden was behind, the way voting stopped in 6 battleground states simultaneously, the number of votes almost all coming in for Biden and finally, the margin Biden won by (10,000’s of votes in multiple states) all seems a bit fishy to me. In MI, the county electorates would not certify because there were way more votes than registered voters in Wayne County where Detroit is. Also, there has never been an election with so many independent claims of fraud, everyone has a sworn testimony meaning if it turns out later they were wrong and it was proven in a court of law they would go to jail. Finally, so many Democrats in the past we’re complaining about Dominion Software being unreliable and hack able, none of them are complaining now of course. It is not over and the truth will prevail.
1123heavy wrote: » The last option is to take everything to the Supreme Court and they can overrule the state courts ruling.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » But wouldn't that cost more money than they are making with fundraising ?
Christy42 wrote: » Waiting to only show evidence to the supreme Court makes no sense. Why wouldn't you try and win in the lower courts? They have no evidence is the only serious conclusion.
pixelburp wrote: » Because in Trump's mind, loyalty is bought and absolute. He likely sees his two appointments as basically subservient to his whims and will tie behind him. As such, pesky things like actual evidence won't matter in the face of a presumed quid pro quo.
Notmything wrote: » According to does who know about this they can't. They can appeal a decision to the SC and the court can send it back to a lower court to be re-heard if an error was made. Most commentary seems to suggest that they can't introduce new evidence or make a new argument. Saying that I'm taking this from following legal twitterers and I may have not fully understood what they were saying #disclaimer
prawnsambo wrote: » I would imagine that it's something similar to our own SC. You go there on a matter of law interpretation and for constitutional matters. So you don't just turn up with a new case, you're primarily appealing the decision of a lower court where you feel an error in law has been made. So the facts of the case aren't really in play, just the basis of the decision against you. So all this talk about Dominion voting software is pure fluff. None of it has been brought up in court to date and therefore not going to feature in any SC hearing if they manage to get there.
Notmything wrote: » Try tell that to the Trumpers who have visions of Rudi turning up, pulling out a box full of proof of fraud n misdeeds, and the SC immediately making Donnie president for life
prawnsambo wrote: » And that's the point. All this guff is about reaching into their pockets and enriching Trump. I note that his PAC's share of the so-called legal fund has gone from 60% to 75% in the last few days. This is theft in broad daylight and not theft of the election, theft from the faithful deluded. And they'll continue to reach into their pockets and pay up. All the Jenna Ellis's and Rudy Giuliani's are signed up for the grift and enriching themselves in the process. They don't give a fiddler's for the 'faithful'.
DubInMeath wrote: » Is it theft when they can read the terms and conditions, or just stupidity on behalf of the donors? Now I am not saying that the trump train aren't committing dodgy practices. I've friends working over there in the cyber security field and the amount of spam mail they are seeing in their gateways from the trump campaign would have the domain blacklisted under normal circumstances.
prawnsambo wrote: » It's not technically theft because the fine print sets out the breakdown. But these guys won't read the fine print and will just read the spam mail that will scream all the conspiracy crap and say they need the money to fight it. By any moral standard it's theft. They are setting out with the intent to just fill their pockets and the poor saps are falling for it. However, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they start dipping into the funds intended for 'legal' cases and get caught for it.
gimli2112 wrote: » i think the most important thing a president can do is appoint SC justices, unfortunately trump got two, unfortunately for him they're serious people. I wouldn't be surprised that if it gets to the SC, which I don't think it will, the response will be scathing.
prawnsambo wrote: » And that's the point. All this guff is about reaching into their pockets and enriching Trump. I note that his PAC's share of the so-called legal fund has gone from 60% to 75% in the last few days. This is theft in broad daylight and not theft of the election, theft from the faithful deluded. And they'll continue to reach into their pockets and pay up.
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