pixelburp wrote: That's all well and good, but what Trump is planting is further distrust in a sizable demographic towards the mechanisms of the State. The Deep State, Qanon conspiracies won't go away and I guarantee that this will become "the stolen election" in the minds of those with the least to lose. Those demographics were taken for granted in 2016 and if not properly addressed, the next Trump to come along will simply latch onto the continued, simmering anger felt by those people. This election was not a landslide, despite what the electoral college numbers say; enough voted for Trump to demonstrate that his brand of "politics" remains palatable.
Field east wrote: » Is it not the case that the presidential candidate gets all the EC votes in a state if he/she wins that state. ? What have these nominees got to do with overseeing this apart from formally agreeing that the winner takes all and recording the decision in the ‘minutes of the meeting’ .
Field east wrote: » I understand that a few states divvy up the College votes in another way. And who decides on the number of nominees per canditate? What happens if , say ,Biden wins a state by a landslide and Trump has the majority of the nominees, can the Trump nominees refuse to agree that Biden gets all the votes.
Field east wrote: » And why is Trump thinking of replacing ‘his’ nominees with another group of them? Is it because the original selection will not do his bidding. . Would appreciate if some boardie out there would clear this up for me. It may be of interest to know because we could be going down this track
jmayo wrote: » Trumps latest ploy is to try see if he can convince Michigan lawmakers to disregard election and get his own delegates appointed.
paul71 wrote: » Guess which community dont hold drivers licenses Manic, because they are too economically deprived to own cars, or live in urban areas where cars are not needed and dont have passports because they don't travel internationally.
The above is a strawman arguement. 35000 errors you mentioned, have you researched why? L'Estrange inntead of L'estrange, the entire strike off was deliberate and targetted.
dogbert27 wrote: » What happens if the college electorate confirm Biden and Trump still refuses to concede?
Manic Moran wrote: » Has anyone proposed the mechanics as to exactly how this would happen? This is MI election law. Go to Chapter IVhttp://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-act-116-of-1954.pdf Similar to most states, the legislatures don't get a say in the matter.
jmayo wrote: » Once Biden confirmed by electoral college and inaugurated on Jan 20th Trump can be physically turfed out of the white house as a trespasser. I defer to your greater knowledge of US legislation and constitional matters. Look from what I can see it looks like clutching at straws In Michigan's Wayne County (largest county) on Tuesday night two Republican members of the board, Monica Palmer who serves as the board of canvassers chair, and William Hartmann, refused to certify the county's election results. Hours later they conceded. What they are trying to pull is that if the election results are not certified ultimately by the state board then electors to electoral college are select by state legislator which of course happens to be Republican. It is a long shot a bit like all those trumped up (pardon the pun) court cases. They are as we would fondly say trying to pull strokes.
Giuliani then said: "These people want to destroy us. They're very, very bad people. They're not ordinary Democrats. "There are wonderful Democrats in this country. They may disagree with you and me, you know them. "Somehow the Democrat party was hijacked by Clinton and since then it's gone more corrupt, and more corrupt, and more corrupt. He then added "Somebody's got to cut the head off," while making a throat-slitting gesture. Hannity brought the interview to an end as Giuliani, who is spearheading the Trump campaign's effort to overturn his election defeat to President-elect Joe Biden, interjected: "yeah but I". Hannity then insisted that "I'm not trying to cut you off," before moving on to the next segment.
MJohnston wrote: » I think Rudy has been a forehead sweat mopper for a long time now, but his son, who also works for Trump, is COVID positive:https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1329814772875997185
First Up wrote: » it's not the first time the cracks in US society have been on display. Trump is just a symptom of a country ill at ease with itself and those flaws will still be there after he is gone. Trump won't be leading the revolution. He is a shallow opportunist and a media creation and that's what he'll go back to.
pixelburp wrote: » For sure, but what I'm speculating upon is that Trump took the beehive, shook it vigorously, and will now walk away from the creeping disaster that feels increasingly likely to occur. That he wielded a shotgun like a toy, something to threaten, never considering the fact it was loaded. I've said it before but the person to really fear is not Trump, but the person who comes AFTER Trump; the one with actual political savvy to weaponise the now riled up demographics, and manipulate them to whatever outcome is pursued.
prawnsambo wrote: » You could say it's an excusable error and anyone can get two states mixed up. But you'd think when filing a lawsuit, you'd make sure of your facts before pressing 'send'. Evidently that didn't happen and to date, nobody has corrected it. Another case scheduled to crash and burn, but in this case,
Quin_Dub wrote: » There are two plays - One is to try to get the State Legislature to ignore the popular vote and send their own slate of Electors and the other is simply to prevent the results being Certified by the deadline essentially meaning that in theory , the EC votes from that State are simply excluded. The latter potentially works if they stymie enough states such that no one can reach 270 , throwing the decision to congress. Neither has a realistic or viable show at actually coming to pass , but the utter destruction of public confidence in the Electoral process cannot be understated. The fringe elements that support Trump are currently holding firm in support of his efforts , but when they do inevitably fail in a couple of weeks time, what then? They aren't suddenly going to simply say "Grand so , we gave it a shot but Biden won" - What are those guys going to do??
paul71 wrote: » Yes it is interesting to consider that world was actually lucky that Trump was a complete idiot, I am not concerned about him running in 4 years. Pence or Kushner now thats more concerning.
TomOnBoard wrote: » The election is not over. It hasn't actually happened yet! Basically, what has happened is that voters in each State have told a slate of electors which of the candidates for President they wish to have those electors vote for in December. That's what's happened so far. As a result of the Nov 3 election, 306 of the 538 electors have been selected by voters to represent their wish that Biden would receive their votes at the Electoral College. In the light of the failure of the Trump campaign to achieve 270 or more of these EC 'pledges', the Trump team is actively pursuing a Plan B that focuses on having a number of the 306 'pledges' taken from Biden and given to Trump. The Plan is actively subverting confidence in the election process and is undermining the result so as to either get 270+ of the EC votes OR sow enough FUD to have the matter decided through manipulation in Congress. Will Plan B succeed? Highly unlikely! Should we simply ignore the shennanigans and 'move on'? Absolutely not! Just because a coup has little chance of success does not excuse its architects and its leaders. And while the coup is playing out, extreme vigilance is needed to ensure it is ground down! The damage being done by the coup attempt is significant and is extremely dangerous in a fragile republic!
prawnsambo wrote: » Ten states have now certified their election results. The latest being Kentucky. By my count (although just a curiosity) that makes 70 EC votes for Trump and 6 for Biden so far. Florida certifying early is a surprise though. They usually take yonks.
jmayo wrote: » I think old Donald would like No. 1 offspring Ivanka to be the anointed one to take over the political reins, one of course he finally hangs up his hat.
pixelburp wrote: For sure, but what I'm speculating upon is that Trump took the beehive, shook it vigorously, and will now walk away from the creeping disaster that feels increasingly likely to occur. That he wielded a shotgun like a toy, something to threaten, never considering the fact it was loaded. I've said it before but the person to really fear is not Trump, but the person who comes AFTER Trump; the one with actual political savvy to weaponise the now riled up demographics, and manipulate them to whatever outcome is pursued.
First Up wrote: » You give Trump too much credit. That beehive has been angrily buzzing since the WASP/1950's version of the US was threatened first by the defeat in Iraq and then the election of Obama. Remember the Tea Party demanding a return to a world they understood? Those conflicts would have happened - and will continue - with or without Trump. He has (and will) profit from it but he is a sideshow.
"Eve of Destruction" is a protest song written by P. F. Sloan in mid-1964. Several artists have recorded it, but the best-known recording was by Barry McGuire. The song references social issues of its period, including the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the Vietnam War, the draft, the threat of nuclear war, the Civil Rights movement, turmoil in the Middle East, and the American space program.
I'm sittin' here, just contemplatin', I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation, Handful of Senators don't pass legislation, And marches alone can't bring integration, When human respect is disintegratin', This whole crazy world is just too frustratin',
prawnsambo wrote: » Ivanka is in a bit of bother though. She got paid a goodly chunk of a million bucks for supposed consulting from her dear dad and it only came to light when they were background checking her for her nepotistic WH job. The irony there is something else. Anyhoo, that's a NY state investigation, so no pardons available.
prawnsambo wrote: » Georgia has now certified. I have to say fair play to Georgia. They hand recounted all the ballots after the count and had a miniscule error rate in the hundredths of a percentage point. And reported and certified before a lot of states.
TomOnBoard wrote: » Following on from my earlier comment re. GA, this statement from MI GOP leaders following their White House meeting helps me breathe a sigh of relief:https://twitter.com/SenMikeShirkey/status/1329925843053899780?s=09
