Bobtheman wrote: » As to the Cartoons give me a break. We had many lunatic Catholics who murdered many other Catholics and Protestants simply because of their Religion/nationality. Personally, I dont know why anybody would show a cartoon that others found offensive just to emphasise free speech. That being said killing a man for doing that is reprehensible but I would not condemn all Muslims over it. Ask Irish people what it was like to be in the UK in the 1970s as the IRA tried to blow up various places
Eric Cartman wrote: » please show me one example of a catholic murdering multiple innocent people for publishing a picture of Jesus ?
Cordell wrote: » Probably it's something that happened during dark ages. I like when their bleeding heart defenders find similar deeds in the distant past of the civilised world, it only serves to prove the most important point: they don't belong here.
Bobtheman wrote: » As to the Cartoons give me a break. We had many lunatic Catholics who murdered many other Catholics and Protestants simply because of their Religion/nationality.
Personally, I dont know why anybody would show a cartoon that others found offensive just to emphasise free speech.
That being said killing a man for doing that is reprehensible but I would not condemn all Muslims over it. Ask Irish people what it was like to be in the UK in the 1970s as the IRA tried to blow up various places
Gervais08 wrote: » My uncle was physically thrown out of a pub in Birmingham in the mid 70s just because they heard his accent. Yet there are many many cartoons taking the piss out of the Irish and yet no one has bombed the Private Eye offices or shot the staff. Quit trying to equalize the two eh ?
creeper1 wrote: » No. Islam is a special kind of craziness beyond the comprehension of a Irish citizen living in the year 2020.As Ann Marie waters stated recently with Muslim countries getting behind a “boycott France “ initiative you would be forgiven for thinking that it was a poor Muslim decapitated. It’s Europeans being decapitated! Check out the woman being beaten to death in Afghanistan. It’s beyond comprehension. I repeat
Yellow_Fern wrote: » The French cartoons depicted the Bible and the Torah as toilet paper. Muslims are not being targeted.
jmayo wrote: » Whatboutery 101 I haven't noticed your username before posting on these threads, but boy do you follow a very similar posting style to quite a few others who are regulars. In the very recent past especially in Ireland or UK, Catholics were not murdering based on religion, it was based on political outlook and nationality. But you know that already. :rolleyes: Why not show a cartoon? Why do we have to pussy foot around the sensibilities of one particular religious cult? Would it be because that particular religious cult have been allowed to dictate what we get to discuss and what we get to ridicule? Would it be because people condone their violent reactions to being ridiculed? Would it be because we are scared lest we get our heads hacked off? However distasteful some Jewish caricatures have been in the last few decades I can't for the life of me remember seeing Jews around the world clammouring for the deaths of those pushing those cartoons. Likewise with Christians.Why do some people excuse muslims ? It is a slippery slope and the whole slippery slope related to muslim population growth is mentioned time and time again. First it is cartoons, then it is foodstuffs, then it is removal of others religious symbols, then it is segregation of female students, then it is removal of homosexual teachers ... Little by little the freedoms we have built up over many hard decades are chipped away to slowly try turn us into something reminding some of home. But maybe it is worth it for the facebook likes and the interesting new cuisine.
Richard Hillman wrote: » Yes, we had many catholics and protestants murder each other on the island. Do yiz remember how it all started? A foreign power of a very different culture and religion planted thousands of people on our island. Fast forward 400 years and we have the Saudi Regime ripping up Africa and Asia with War after War after War, flooding Europe with migrants and then funding their mosques to become even more extreme. What the Saudis are doing is not too dissimilar to the British but less obvious. The British said to Hell or to Connacht. The Saudis are essentially doing the same, except no Connacht. Straight to hell. Learn from history. Plantations are not good for the indigenous people. It has never worked out well. Not once in the history of the world
Bobtheman wrote: » I'd agree with you there about saudi. However you won't convince me that all muslims are nuts .That you should not denigrate anybody's religion unless it affects you directly.
Thirdly let's not pretend that white Europeans are tolerant creatures who never did anything nuts. The IRA were fascists who only used democracy when it dawned on them that the Brits or unionists were not leaving. But look you want to pretend to be some enlightened race now and in the past hundred years or so -go for it man !
Frankie Machine wrote: » Why not ? If we are no better than they, and they are no better than we, why is the flow of human traffic practically one-way ? .
Bobtheman wrote: » They are from less developed nation's. The muslim nation's will eventually secularise . Inevitable.
statesaver wrote: » No they won't, not anytime soon. See what is happening in Turkey, they are going backyards under Erdoğan.
TomTomTim wrote: » This really shows your ignorance. Not all societies have the same trajectory. Islam has went up and down in regard to how extreme it is throughout history, whereas Europe's path to secularism didn't have the same ups and downs.
Bobtheman wrote: » I'd agree with you there about saudi. However you won't convince me that all muslims are nuts . Personally I don't provoke lunatic fringes whether they are the muslim terrorists or Irish terrorists.
Bobtheman wrote: » There is a streak in the Muslim religion that's nuts and armed. But I would not dismiss the 99% of european muslims who are not nuts.
Bobtheman wrote: » The saudi regime is dysfunctional and oil rich. There is your problem Thirdly let's not pretend that white Europeans are tolerant creatures who never did anything nuts. The IRA were fascists who only used democracy when it dawned on them that the Brits or unionists were not leaving. But look you want to pretend to be part some enlightened race now and in the past hundred years or so -go for it man ! I'm all in favor of deporting and stripping those who don't want to play by the rules of newly acquired citizenship.
jmreire wrote: » No, they won't secularise, ever. To do so would mean abandoning the Quran, and there fore Islam. Its just not going to happen, all that will happen is that different shades of Islam ( and yes there are different versions ) will be in charge at different times and different places, with different results. Yes, they will live in secular Country's , the EU for example, but even here they will follow the Quran as much as they possibly can, but they will work actively to change their adopted Country to as near Islamic Life as they can. Just google "Germany accepts certain Sharia Law's " you might be surprised at what they have achieved . The Religion itself has not changed in the 1'400 years of its existence because the Quran itself cannot be changed as it's the literal word of God, and can only be changed by God. And so Muslims live by laws that were made 1'400 years ago by Mohammad.
jmayo wrote: » You see there you go again with the whataboutery. Oh PIRA/INLA/IRA/ETA/FARC, etc are not equivalent to al-qeada, and most definitely the latest one ISIS. All the Western terrorist organisations had some sort of political goals, they had specific enemies that weren't just people who happened to be a different religion and usually from the West. And AFAIK they never encouraged ordinary people to just go out and kill totally random people. Why oh why is this always trotted out to try make us naysayers sound the very unreasonable ones and that the only issue with growth of islam in Europe is outright terrorists. What about the fact that even though a low percentage of European muslims are terrorists, there are quite a few more that condone their terrorism. Or perhaps you don't remember how terrorists were hidden in Moleenbeek and that when mass murderer was arrested some of the locals rioted? Or perhaps you don;t remember those marches in London with lads carrying ISIS flags ? And even if we discount the terrorists, the terrorist supporters you totally disregard the huge numbers that engage in harrassing women, that engage in sexual assaults on women and girls, the ones that back sharia, the ones that see homosexuality as a crime. Nah you don't want to count those because that 1% suddenly grows to more like 50% that really have issues with our way of life and our secular norms. Ahh FFS can you give it a rest with the IRA. Yes we know all about them, the catholic church, yada, yada, yada All we are getting from you is what-about, what-about, what-about. It is fooking childish and shows you don't have an argument that will stand up. Head in sand. Just look at pictures of Kabul today, even after Taliban has been out of power nearly 20 years and what it was like in early 1970s. Just look where Bosnia or Kosovo are heading with fundamentalism on the rise. Once semi secular muslims are going more and more towards fundamentalism. And yes it is thanks to like of Saudis.
Bobtheman wrote: » You could have said the same thing about the bible but here we are !
Gervais08 wrote: » We’ve a relative on the father’s side who left the IRA after being jailed in the 70s. Just lost the “calling” or whatever you want to name it. Wanted to marry and have kids, stable life and that. Had a chat with someone (would never say who apparently) and that was that. I imagine leaving ISIS - if these monsters ever want to - is not as easy.
