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pickarooney

Your man doges tackles and sends an absolute peach of a pass right into his hands and it's Hopkins who gets all the plaudits?

thomond2006

pickarooney wrote: »

Your man doges tackles and sends an absolute peach of a pass right into his hands and it's Hopkins who gets all the plaudits?

Very true. It's an amazing play by Kyler Murray.
He's going to be incredible to watch for the next 10 or so years if he stays fit. There isn't a runner like him and then he can unleash passes like that.

Buer

He was drafted as a passer as much as a runner. He's a complete freak in terms of the NFL given he's only 5'10" with most QBs being 6'4" and taller.

It's nuts to think he was the top pick in the NFL draft and also a top 10 pick in the MLB draft.

aloooof

More good news on the vaccine front (albeit again from interim data).

From RTE:
Moderna says its vaccine is 94.5% effective in preventing Covid-19

Luke O'Neill suggested all going well, 20% will have been vaccinated by the end of Q1 2021.

With an obvious way out on the horizon, I'm strongly considering having the Christmas conversation with the parents...

kuang1

aloooof wrote: »

With an obvious way out on the horizon, I'm strongly considering having the Christmas conversation with the parents...

Don't do it.

They are NOT Santa!!! He's real!!!

Squidgy Black

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/covid-19-government-to-ban-takeaway-pints-for-remainder-of-lockdown-1.4410753

Always knew thomond was Stephen Donnelly, becoming a Leinster fan and betraying his Munster party should've been a giveaway.

awec

Squidgy Black wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/covid-19-government-to-ban-takeaway-pints-for-remainder-of-lockdown-1.4410753

Always knew thomond was Stephen Donnelly, becoming a Leinster fan and betraying his Munster party should've been a giveaway.

This is a really dumb move.

thomond2006

Well if we're seemingly not willing to police it, it makes sense to ban it. It's heavy handed but what's the alternative?

Squidgy Black

It's a bit of a 'lazy' move, but if the Garda are saying they're under-resourced and overstretched then there's not much else that can really be done.

The thing we've found out over the past few months is that there's always going to be a subset of people who aren't going to use common sense or abide by the rules that are put in place.

awec

It's not going to stop anything. The people happy to meet up for pints are still going to meet up.

kuang1

awec wrote: »

It's not going to stop anything. The people happy to meet up for pints are still going to meet up.

Yes but they'll either do so either without alcohol, or do so with alcohol in a house/garden where they are eligible to be penalised by existing laws.

Up to now noone involved was breaking a law.
(Although urinating in the street ain't above board!)

mfceiling

aloooof wrote: »

With an obvious way out on the horizon, I'm strongly considering having the Christmas conversation with the parents...

I've had it already....

"See you for Christmas 2021"

aloooof

mfceiling wrote: »

I've had it already....

"See you for Christmas 2021"

I'm considering "I'm prioritising you by not visiting".

Stheno

mfceiling wrote: »

I've had it already....

"See you for Christmas 2021"

Aren't yours in the plague riddled North ?

mfceiling

Stheno wrote: »

Aren't yours in the plague riddled North ?

Yep...and I'm fúcked if they're coming to me for Christmas.

molloyjh

awec wrote: »

It's not going to stop anything. The people happy to meet up for pints are still going to meet up.

So what do they do? Nothing? We can't police every house. All we can do is make things harder for people to breach the guidelines. We can't really stop anything.

awec

molloyjh wrote: »

So what do they do? Nothing? We can't police every house. All we can do is make things harder for people to breach the guidelines. We can't really stop anything.

They should do nothing in this instance, yes, and focus their attention on the areas that are struggling.

Big outbreaks at the moment in care homes and hospitals. But let's stop the takeaway pints, despite there being no evidence whatsoever that they've led to any cases, and despite the fact that the overwhelming majority are totally compliant. It's like a child taking it's ball and going home.

Neil3030

awec wrote: »

They should do nothing in this instance, yes, and focus their attention on the areas that are struggling.

Big outbreaks at the moment in care homes and hospitals. But let's stop the takeaway pints, despite there being no evidence whatsoever that they've led to any cases, and despite the fact that the overwhelming majority are totally compliant. It's like a child taking it's ball and going home.

People giving it to each other in crowded public places is how it eventually gets into care homes and hospitals.

Stheno

molloyjh wrote: »

So what do they do? Nothing? We can't police every house. All we can do is make things harder for people to breach the guidelines. We can't really stop anything.

I must admit I'm suffering severe fatigue with this crap at this point so forgive my post if I come across a bit narky

Eight and a half months I've been working from home and whole I can wfh fine I miss people

My OH and I have obeyed most of the restrictions with our biggest failure going for a drive where we got in the car and went for a 30 minute drive after work some days

Other than that we've stuck to them

I've had one night out with friends in all that time as they mostly live too far away. I visited two friends once each and visited my mother once in the past eight months

My Oh did not see his children at all during the first restrictions and has not seen them since early October.

I went for my flu shot a couple of weeks ago and it was the first time in weeks that I'd a face to face conversation with someone other than my OH

I'm in my late forties so not a big socialised, we didn't often have people over but apart from a sky engineer no one has been in our house.

So if I'm fed up I can only imagine how younger people feel. They also have the fact that they are less likely to suffer badly with this virus and between the high cases but much lower hospitalizations this time compared to March, I can see why younger people don't five a day

On the flip side all my neighbours in the three houses closest to me are 75plus

In March two of them didn't give a toss but next door were scared witless as one of them has multiple underlying conditions and they were rigid following the restrictions, I used get the paper for them at weekends

This time round, they said they would not do it again and they haven't. Of the four houses, myself and the Oh are probably now the most compliant

I think there are two factors at play here:

1. The natural tenancy of people to stretch rules so meeting in groups outside

2. The government have gotten the messaging terribly terribly wrong. Today Modern release their vaccine data and say they expect to start vaccinating people by year end

What does MM and NPHET say? No data, at least middle of next year for a rollout

I suspect people would be more likely to adhere if a positive message rather than negative one came out " we know a vaccine is close, please use this level five period to close the gap and allow us to live at level 2.5 as long as possible" until then

You hear that from our government? No. Which message would encourage you more? The one above or the negatives ones we are constantly getting?

Now as I said, I'm lucky in terms of wfh and having a home office, and maybe being a little more aware than others but this is wearing

I can see why people left with no social outlets are flouting the rules

molloyjh

awec wrote: »

They should do nothing in this instance, yes, and focus their attention on the areas that are struggling.

Big outbreaks at the moment in care homes and hospitals. But let's stop the takeaway pints, despite there being no evidence whatsoever that they've led to any cases, and despite the fact that the overwhelming majority are totally compliant. It's like a child taking it's ball and going home.

So we should wait until there is evidence of spread from these things before cracking down on them? That seems reactive rather than proactive. Shouldn't we be proactive based on expert opinion?

irishbucsfan

Neil3030 wrote: »

People giving it to each other in crowded public places is how it eventually gets into care homes and hospitals.

Really? Are people giving it to each other meeting in outdoor places for takeaway pints?

If you meet someone outdoors in Ireland, where they're a non-frontline worker and they're currently in a closed pod of ~4 people (IE current lockdown), spend 2 hours with them while speaking at a normal volume and you maintain a normal social distance and take standard precautions, there's an exceedingly small chance of contracting the virus.

Seems a mad decision to me to discourage people (who are definitely going to just start meeting at friends houses now imo) from socialising outdoors. Rather than changing the laws at the drop of a hat, just underline the precautions everyone should be taking and make sure there's a clear garda presence in areas where people are being irresponsible.

Neil3030

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Really? Are people giving it to each other meeting in outdoor places for takeaway pints?

If you meet someone outdoors in Ireland, where they're a non-frontline worker and they're currently in a closed pod of ~4 people (IE current lockdown), spend 2 hours with them while speaking at a normal volume and you maintain a normal social distance and take standard precautions, there's an exceedingly small chance of contracting the virus.

What you've described is not the context of a "crowded public place".

irishbucsfan

Neil3030 wrote: »

What you've described is not the context of a "crowded public place".

The discussion is about people who are meeting outdoors for takeaway pints. So an outdoor public place. There are very, very few confirmed transmissions from outdoor settings, even from crowded public settings like protests in America. Which is why the guidelines are what they are in the first place. So yes, it is in that context.

Neil3030

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The discussion is about people who are meeting outdoors for takeaway pints. So an outdoor public place. There are very, very few confirmed transmissions from outdoor settings, even from crowded public settings like protests in America. Which is why the guidelines are what they are in the first place. So yes, it is in that context.

30,000 cases linked to outdoor Trump rallies say otherwise.

irishbucsfan

Neil3030 wrote: »

30,000 cases linked to outdoor Trump rallies say otherwise.

I think you're referring to a Stanford paper that studied both outdoor and indoor Trump rallies? So no, that paper does not say otherwise.

For example, the one in Tulsa where Herman Cain caught it is included in that study.

It's not really the same thing. Even if every one of those cases came from the outdoor rallies (which obviously Cain's was not), these were people travelling large distances to go to political events in areas of America where indoor gatherings were allowed (and literally strongly encouraged by elected members of the political party they were actively supporting by making these trips).

Either way, this is completely irrelevant to people in Ireland currently.

Neil3030

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I think you're referring to a Stanford paper that studied both outdoor and indoor Trump rallies? So no, that paper does not say otherwise.

For example, the one in Tulsa where Herman Cain caught it is included in that study.

It's not really the same thing. Even if every one of those cases came from the outdoor rallies (which obviously Cain's was not), these were people travelling large distances to go to political events in areas of America where indoor gatherings were allowed (and literally strongly encouraged by elected members of the political party they were actively supporting by making these trips).

Either way, this is completely irrelevant to people in Ireland currently.

Look at the plots of the effects of the Wisconsin rallies. Both held at airports.

irishbucsfan

Neil3030 wrote: »

Look at the plots of the effects of the Wisconsin rallies. Both held at airports.

Yes. In a state that had no lockdown. Thousands of people travelled together at the same time to that rally and then travelled together at the same time away from that rally, to wherever they were going (which of course can include indoor bars/restaurants or whatever else they do for fun in Wisconsin in autumn/winter). In a group of people who are known to largely take the virus far less seriously than Irish people do.

We're talking about people in Ireland being allowed to order a pint to consume outside while socialising in a meeting of no more than two hosueholds within walking distance of their home. What is your point here? I'm not trying to say tens of thousands of people should be able to descend on the Aviva stadium for a pint en masse.

Neil3030

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Yes. In a state that had no lockdown. Thousands of people travelled together at the same time to that rally and then travelled together at the same time away from that rally, to wherever they were going (which of course can include indoor bars/restaurants or whatever else they do for fun in Wisconsin in autumn/winter). In a group of people who are known to largely take the virus far less seriously than Irish people do.

We're talking about people in Ireland being allowed to order a pint to consume outside while socialising in a meeting of no more than two hosueholds within walking distance of their home. What is your point here? I'm not trying to say tens of thousands of people should be able to descend on the Aviva stadium for a pint en masse.

You'd probably count as many masks in Dame Lane and South William Street as you would at a Trump rally.

irishbucsfan

Neil3030 wrote: »

You'd probably count as many masks in Dame Lane and South William Street as you would at a Trump rally.

Well, when you're looking for masks while looking at people eating or drinking, I'm guessing you're absolutely amazed by the lack of mask wearing. Completely missing the point though.

Neil3030

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Well, when you're looking for masks while looking at people eating or drinking, I'm guessing you're absolutely amazed by the lack of mask wearing. Completely missing the point though.

Do you honestly think the government are banning take away pints because of people getting drinks "to consume outside while socialising in a meeting of no more than two hosueholds within walking distance of their home"