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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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Wildly Boaring

It's there donkeys....very unofficial

magicbastarder

is it an official sign or you reckon a local has put it up?

Stark

I've been meaning to snap a picture of the passive aggressive "pedestrians, use the footpath" sign before the Angler's rest coming from the Strawberry beds. Because every day without fail, the footpath is completely taken up with parked cars.

Thelonious Monk

We all know driving on footpaths is a far bigger issue anyway, pretty much every single footpath in my area has cars illegally parked on them, they weren't dropped there from the sky. When they sort out the bigger problems they can focus on bicycles, which aren't actually causing any harm at all.
God I'm getting sick of my own bloody posts on these never ending circles of debate.

breezy1985

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Risk based enforcement is used by regulatory authorities all over the world in all kinds of domains. They recognise that they can't be everywhere all the time, so they focus their activities where they will have most beneficial impact.

Chasing cyclists on the footpath while motorists are blatantly ignoring traffic laws and killing people with alarming regularity as a result is a missed opportunity.

Let's wait and see if they are actually targeting this or just sending a tweet

[Deleted User]

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Speeding
So they shouldn't chase drivers who do close passes, break red lights, overtake on bends, use their phones or drink drive?

Guards should enforce the law.
Not the laws you like.

It's like the boy getting done for no tax and no NCT coming into work and declaring "Why won't they catch the real criminals?" And all the dunderheads nodding. " Sure what harm were they doing"

Risk based enforcement is used by regulatory authorities all over the world in all kinds of domains. They recognise that they can't be everywhere all the time, so they focus their activities where they will have most beneficial impact.

Chasing cyclists on the footpath while motorists are blatantly ignoring traffic laws and killing people with alarming regularity as a result is a missed opportunity.

cletus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It actually is an either/or scenario. Any individual Garda can only do one thing at a time. So the choice is to allocate Garda to focus on the issues that is one of the top three causes of road deaths (speeding) or to allocate that Garda to be chasing cyclists on the pavement.

What's your priority?

Maybe that's because cyclists don't kill a few people each week on the roads.

I didn't see that the Gardai were being told to focus exclusively on this issue to the exclusion of everything else, but that they will pay more attention than they normally would.

If a Garda can, as you state, only do one thing at a time, then should they let drunk drivers who are driving slowly go because they are not speeding?

Or if someone is pootling along at 90 on the motorway because they're reading texts, should they not do anything about that?

There are myriad laws in the country that the Gardai are required to enforce. Taking umbrage because there is a suggestion that the law as it applies to cyclists might be focused on is, imo, a bit silly.

cletus

Stark wrote: »

You must be a Journal.ie comments section virgin.

I absolutely avoid journal.ie like the plague. I would hope for more nuanced viewpoints and discussion on this forum

Wildly Boaring

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It actually is an either/or scenario. Any individual Garda can only do one thing at a time. So the choice is to allocate Garda to focus on the issues that is one of the top three causes of road deaths (speeding) or to allocate that Garda to be chasing cyclists on the pavement.

What's your priority?

Speeding
So they shouldn't chase drivers who do close passes, break red lights, overtake on bends, use their phones or drink drive?

Guards should enforce the law.
Not the laws you like.

It's like the boy getting done for no tax and no NCT coming into work and declaring "Why won't they catch the real criminals?" And all the dunderheads nodding. " Sure what harm were they doing"

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Wildly Boaring wrote: »

It's not an either or scenario

It actually is an either/or scenario. Any individual Garda can only do one thing at a time. So the choice is to allocate Garda to focus on the issues that is one of the top three causes of road deaths (speeding) or to allocate that Garda to be chasing cyclists on the pavement.

What's your priority?

cletus wrote: »

In fairness, the Gardai do announce at different times that they'll be focusing on speeding, drink driving etc. Nobody comes on when these initiatives are in place and asks why are they not targeting cyclists at the same time

Maybe that's because cyclists don't kill a few people each week on the roads.

Stark

cletus wrote: »

In fairness, the Gardai do announce at different times that they'll be focusing on speeding, drink driving etc. Nobody comes on when these initiatives are in place and asks why are they not targeting cyclists at the same time

You must be a Journal.ie comments section virgin.

cletus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Maybe they should be announcing that they'll be keeping an eye out on speeding drivers so?

In fairness, the Gardai do announce at different times that they'll be focusing on speeding, drink driving etc. Nobody comes on when these initiatives are in place and asks why are they not targeting cyclists at the same time

Wildly Boaring

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Maybe they should be announcing that they'll be keeping an eye out on speeding drivers so?

Are you ok with cycling on paths?
I'd never do it.

Not a fan of behaviour of some drivers.
But I cycle on the road or a cycle lane if it's good enough.

I'd be happy to see an announcement of clampdown on unsafe passes.

But I've nothing against the guards enforcing the law

Wildly Boaring

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Maybe they should be announcing that they'll be keeping an eye out on speeding drivers so?

It's not an either or scenario

[Deleted User]

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

The amount of bikes on paths at the minute is a bit annoying.
Even announcing that they'll keep an eye on it might remind people the rules exist.

There's an element of people at it who simply won't give to buggies or toddlers and generally fall into the selfishness about the roads.

Maybe they should be announcing that they'll be keeping an eye out on speeding drivers so?

Wildly Boaring

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I've only seen kids doing it and to be honest unless there is something done about driving habits in Ireland then I think the kids are better off there

Ah there's a few out this way at it.
Particularly teenagers. Some adults.
I'd have no bother with a guard pulling one of them about it.

I've no bother with kids at it

magicbastarder

there's no provision in law for postmen and women to cycle on the footpath. so i expect if the garda are going to adopt a zero tolerance approach, they'd better clamp down on this too.

breezy1985

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I've only seen kids doing it and to be honest unless there is something done about driving habits in Ireland then I think the kids are better off there

There's a couple of adults do it round my way. It gets worse in the winter cause they don't want to go on the road cause they rarely have lights too.

I doubt the gardai will pull many over this unless they are flying round paths like complete Muppets or engaging in unsociable activities

Eamonnator

CramCycle wrote: »

One can only assume this is in conjunction with a crackdown on speeding, mobile phone use, red light running (by any vehicle user), parking on footpaths, driving on footpaths, parking on double yellows, using loading bays for non commercial vehicles and so on?

In fairness to the man, when he took up his current position a couple of years ago, the nominal strength of the Roads Policing Units in his division was 4 Sergeants and 24 Gardai. The actual strength was 1 Sergeant and about 9 Gardai. Despite all that has happened in the meantime with drugs, gangs, covid etc. the strength of those units is now 2 Sergeants and about 20 Gardai.

Seth Brundle

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

The amount of bikes on paths at the minute is a bit annoying.

I've only seen kids doing it and to be honest unless there is something done about driving habits in Ireland then I think the kids are better off there

Wildly Boaring

The amount of bikes on paths at the minute is a bit annoying.
Even announcing that they'll keep an eye on it might remind people the rules exist.

There's an element of people at it who simply won't give to buggies or toddlers and generally fall into the selfishness about the roads.

CramCycle

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I guess that they must have little else to police...

https://twitter.com/sticky_bottle/status/1327327790417530880?s=19

One can only assume this is in conjunction with a crackdown on speeding, mobile phone use, red light running (by any vehicle user), parking on footpaths, driving on footpaths, parking on double yellows, using loading bays for non commercial vehicles and so on?

Seth Brundle

I guess that they must have little else to police...

https://twitter.com/sticky_bottle/status/1327327790417530880?s=19

Large bottle small glass

History, GAA and cycling.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/podcasts/series/30243

Seth Brundle

https://twitter.com/rosspjboyd/status/1326981211709911040

Seth Brundle

Would the gardai ever consider such an investigative approach? I doubt it

https://twitter.com/roadcc/status/1326831931309350915

Dannyboy70s

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Didn't take them long! These pricks are there nearly every morning

only see that my tweet is up here now, long time boards stalker first-time poster

Seth Brundle

https://twitter.com/SafeCyclingEire/status/1326268385353723906

Grassey

Seth Brundle wrote: »

If only there was a solution to this :rolleyes:...

"cars are now stopping in traffic"
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Whereas previously they were not, shure it was only cyclists, and they could wait and/or go around... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

breezy1985

buffalo wrote: »

Here's some coverage: https://irishcycle.com/2020/03/04/school-streets-to-be-expanded-in-dublin-after-success/

Interesting I never thought of it from an air pollution point of view. Park and stride I assume is just getting dropped at the edge of the exclusion zone and walking from there