restartagain wrote: » Does anyone else think it's dangerous to have these vans on the dual carriageway this time of the year when it's so dark. Motorists spot them at the last minute & then proceed to brake & continue their journey to the exit of the carriageway at 40 mph. There will be a serious pile up before long if the vans continue in this location
restartagain wrote: » But that's my point, drivers panic even those driving at 80mph & even if you keep your distance on a wet, dark road it's hard to brake in time
Smee_Again wrote: » Probably shouldn't be driving at 80mph on a dark and wet road.
Uncle Pierre wrote: » Not if it's a single lane rural road. Different story if it's a high standard national route or a motorway.
Smee_Again wrote: » 80mph?
redcup342 wrote: » Whenever I visit Ireland I wonder how the hell you miss those things, big white van with luminous stickers all over it saying SLOW DOWN Meanwhile on the continent they disguise speed cameras as wheelie bins, cover them with leaves, make them look like trailer tents. I'd take your option any day :pac:
mickdw wrote: » We still have the gardai for doing that type of speed check - motorbike cop hiding behind bus shelter with speed gun. That type of thing.
Vincenzo Faithful Harpoon wrote: » Those luminous stickers are not reflective. On a similar note, I passed a dark green mini bus type vehicle last night parked up on the N24. Camera on a tripod at the back, and PC Plod sitting in the passenger seat in the front. Never saw such a trap before.
SmartinMartin wrote: » Were you in the UK?
Truckermal wrote: » On the N24? Pretty sure that's in Ireland.
Niner leprauchan wrote: » straight section of a dual carraige = dodgy, unfair, money making and now unsafe.
SmartinMartin wrote: » By the way, I think we have just about the easiest camera system to spot in the world.
Kevin Irving wrote: » Why position a camera on an otherwise safe section of straight dual carriageway, where wandering 10km/h over the limit is not dangerous? Hard to rationalise that one and get the general public behind their implementation.[/url]
Niner leprauchan wrote: » Allow me to educate, as per the website of an Garda siochana which has downloadable maps and statistics, all vans are positioned in areas where fatal collisions have occurred in the last few years. Thus, there is a constant movement of vans in response to the latest statistics.
Niner leprauchan wrote: » What may I ask, is your alternative? Single Lane back roads on a bend, at night in the rain?
Niner leprauchan wrote: » Allow me to educate, as per the website of an Garda siochana which has downloadable maps and statistics, all vans are positioned in areas where fatal collisions have occurred in the last few years. Thus, there is a constant movement of vans in response to the latest statistics. What may I ask, is your alternative? Single Lane back roads on a bend, at night in the rain?
Uncle Pierre wrote: » That's what the website says all right. But on the other hand, there are four regular speed van sites within 10 to 12 miles of where I live myself in Co. Wexford. Two of them are along what used to be a stretch of the N11 before the opening of the Gorey bypass about 10 years ago, and the other two are on what was the N11 before the Enniscorthy bypass opened last year. There hasn't been a fatal collision at any of them in the past ten years. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
Smee_Again wrote: » It also includes serious collisions where speed was a factor.
Uncle Pierre wrote: » Well, none of the four I'm referring to are in particularly bad spots for speed-related crashes either. On the other hand, two of them are in locations where the cameras are trained on what's the last small stretch of a 60 km/h zone before you enter an 80, so that they can catch somebody who speeds up to a whopping 70 or 75 km/h just a little too soon. For anybody familiar with the roads I'm talking about, the first one I'm thinking of is as you go through Clough on the way towards Gorey. There's a sneaky spot on the bend where they look back to what's still just inside the 60 zone, even after you've passed through the village. Basically, it's to catch people doing 70 km/h along here:https://www.google.com/maps/@52.6436163,-6.3413434,3a,75y,21.45h,80.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s07U3OxEWeDJxlX5PPeGznQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 The other is as you leave Gorey, heading towards Clough. Along here is still inside the 60 km/h zone, and the speed van sets up near the speed limit signs ahead, again to catch anybody doing a dizzying 70 km/h here:https://www.google.com/maps/@52.6708756,-6.305808,3a,75y,230.5h,76.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssyj0TqtCptuXV-DECCseDw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 However, I can think of two other locations I'm very familiar with too, where there are regular speed-related crashes (including fatal ones), but where I've never seen a speed van. These are Ballycarney Cross on the Bunclody to Enniscorthy road, and Kyle Cross between Oylegate and Wexford:https://www.google.com/maps/@52.5826262,-6.5784291,3a,75y,180.85h,77.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdLHldyI1X7BAZw0-txF8NQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192https://www.google.com/maps/@52.3842747,-6.5181264,3a,75y,193.99h,78.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stbqW6v3buyNJT0NkfRPjbA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 Please forgive the long post and all the links. But if you look at those locations and consider the ones that regularly have speed vans, and those that don't (even though they should have), you'll see why it's easy to be sceptical about claims that sites are chosen on the grounds of history of speed-related collisions, and how it can look like they're sometimes about maximising revenue instead.
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