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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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igCorcaigh

Water fountains to be installed in several popular city parks

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Water-fountains-to-be-installed-in-several-popular-city-parks--136ccce1-90bd-4187-b2c8-a7892e589bc0-ds

This is a great idea.

But, why is Bishop Lucey Park excluded?
Most of those other parks are not areas of "high pedestrian footfall".

Water fountains should be across the city centre.

How do homeless people access drinking water?

Treehelpplease

bishop lucey park is getting a complete overhaul

SleetAndSnow

According to DylanG on SSC

"So the only appellant is the Irish Georgian Society. I just looked through their original objection:

issue with the Revenue Building being demolished and rebuilt (addressed in further information, no longer being demolished)
site isn’t suitable for a tall building according to council plans"

Another person apparently appealed too but it was marked as invalid. Chance it could be sorted before deadline?

EDIT: Looks like more can still come in, those are the ones up to last week

marno21

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

According to DylanG on SSC

"So the only appellant is the Irish Georgian Society. I just looked through their original objection:

issue with the Revenue Building being demolished and rebuilt (addressed in further information, no longer being demolished)
site isn’t suitable for a tall building according to council plans"

Another person apparently appealed too but it was marked as invalid. Chance it could be sorted before deadline?

EDIT: Looks like more can still come in, those are the ones up to last week

Let them fly in. It's a 18 week period with ABP anyway so it doesn't matter how many more come in, I'd be shocked if it was anything more than cranks with "I don't like it" appeals.

I would be shocked if the developers hadn't already factored in the ABP appeal duration. And anyway by March 22 it'll be very clear where the coronavirus pandemic is going and hopefully by then we'll have a positive outlook on the future market for this type of development.

They already had to deal with this type of eejitry with the Prism development so they are used to it.

CHealy

Ya this would have all been accounted for, let them appeal to their hearts content.

snotboogie

Tbf I don't think there was any way ground was going to be broken before March appeal or no appeal. I'd take a December 2021 start date in a heartbeat.

Any updates on the Prism?

titan18

It's more of a surprise when some idiots don't appeal anything new tbf. No matter whats being built these fools would complain

what the hell!

A crew working in Finns Corner tonight. Did we hear what’s going in there?

thejuggler

what the hell! wrote: »

A crew working in Finns Corner tonight. Did we hear what’s going in there?

Easons I believe - relocating from Patrick Street.

opus

There was a nice sunset by the Victoria Cross development this evening.

cantalach

thejuggler wrote: »

Easons I believe - relocating from Patrick Street.

Wow. That north end of Patrick St is getting more boarded up by the day.

Treehelpplease

thejuggler wrote: »

Easons I believe - relocating from Patrick Street.

was that confirmed ? hopefully they clean up the building too, badly in need of it and easons usually do a good job on buildings

thejuggler

Treehelpplease wrote: »

was that confirmed ? hopefully they clean up the building too, badly in need of it and easons usually do a good job on buildings

Unsure but it was reported some months ago. They do appear to be moving though as planning was granted recently for redevelopment of their current store (by sports direct I think)

Patrick 1959

If building on the Prism had not stopped in March, would the Prism be an option for Amazon?

igCorcaigh

I noticed Princes Street was barricaded, as if road work is due to commence.

Are they properly pedestrianising the street?

TheChizler

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

If building on the Prism had not stopped in March, would the Prism be an option for Amazon?

Doubt it, they were looking for around 100,000sqft doubt they'd be looking to spread that across every floor, if the prism is even that big.

cantalach

CorkRed93 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Nash19Cork/status/1326637864944332801

Looks like it

#wow #! #claire #nash #really #likes #hashtags

questionmark?

cantalach wrote: »

#wow #! #claire #nash #really #likes #hashtags

To be fair the big wow here is that the council is actually doing something progressive! So don't blame Claire for over hash tagging ðŸ˜‚

cantalach

questionmark? wrote: »

To be fair the big wow here is that the council is actually doing something progressive! So don't blame Claire for over hash tagging &#55357;&#56834;

Oh I agree. She’s a force of nature who gets things done. All the more reason to have a laugh at her expense. It is the Irish way.

SleetAndSnow

Another two appeals in for the docklands tower, one from An Taisce and another from our friend John Adams. All expected appellants I would expect and this will be granted permission come March.

fonecrusher1

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Another two appeals in for the docklands tower, one from An Taisce and another from our friend John Adams. All expected appellants I would expect and this will be granted permission come March.

I'm sure the Echo will be on to him shortly, nice bit of free exposure. Must be looking to sell a few more paintings. In fairness I think it might overshadow his garden. In Cobh.

kub

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

I'm sure the Echo will be on to him shortly, nice bit of free exposure. Must be looking to sell a few more paintings. In fairness I think it might overshadow his garden. In Cobh.

Yes it will overshadow his garden in Cobh, everytime that the sun will shine from the North West

D'Agger

I reckon An Taisce have their offices covered in John Boys paintings as a thank you for the company he's provided them with on all the objectors lists over the years

fonecrusher1

D'Agger wrote: »

I reckon An Taisce have their offices covered in John Boys paintings as a thank you for the company he's provided them with on all the objectors lists over the years

You might be on to something there. I'd say the Echo office has a few too.

On the bright side I think these appeals are going to be reviewed and pretty much pushed aside. Well I hope anyway. If they think this is going to at least delay anything its all in vain. They won't be breaking ground on this for a long time anyway so drive on with the appeals you're only wasting your own time and money.

chalkitdown1

cantalach wrote: »

Oh I agree. She’s a force of nature who gets things done. All the more reason to have a laugh at her expense. It is the Irish way.

Tweet is gone. What did it say?

Apogee

Horgan's Quay/Dean Timelapse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ4_gijs_xo

cantalach

chalkitdown1 wrote: »

Tweet is gone. What did it say?

It was just saying what good news it was. But it had a lot of hashtags which I thought was funny. Like the SNL hashtags sketch.

fonecrusher1

Apogee wrote: »

Horgan's Quay/Dean Timelapse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ4_gijs_xo

So cool to see what was a derelict zone in the city with so much potential reborn.

rounders

Article about installation of heaters and canopies this week

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/marvellous-winter-dining-news-heaters-19282713

marno21

There’s an article about the Cork property market in the SBP today which mainly is a rundown on yields and rents but there were 2 bits of news:

* Construction on the Prism is to start shortly after the completed site clearance
* JCD are working on design detail for the Albert Quay tower

I passed along the Kinsale Road Roundabout flyover yesterday and noticed again that the Carey Tools site was flooded. Wonder if there’s a separate issue there complicating things also.