blanch152 wrote: » In that case, how do you explain the much higher numbers in Northern Ireland? The only difference I can see between North and South from that perspective is the relative performance of the two governments. You are the one that is putting it down to people doing or not doing the heavy lifting. If I accept your view of the world then some of the following questions must be answered in the affirmative. Are people from Northern Ireland less responsible? Are they too lazy to do the heavy lifting? Are they too selfish to consider their neighbour? As the numbers are higher in nationalist areas, is that a peculiarly Northern Irish nationalist issue? I mean, I am told all the time by posters on here that everyone on this island is Irish and are the same. However, I am not going to blame the people of Northern Ireland for not doing the heavy lifting and making their numbers worse. I am going to give credit where it is due to our own government for managing the crisis much better than the government in the North.
blanch152 wrote: The virus can only get out of control if ordinary people and ordinary businesses are reckless and careless and don't take personal responsibility for what they do. The Government can't sit outside the Bridge House Hotel and count the number of people going in together. Neither can they be everywhere at everytime for every time a doorbell rings to check how many people are going into a house. You would need 300,000 gardai to monitor all that. So it all comes down to personal responsibility. We know that there are around 25% of the population who have a Trump/Johnson/Brexit attitude to everything but the rest of us have to be responsible even when they won't.
Solutionking wrote: » I would expect the government used a procurement system to buy the product. Tender process etc.
The HSE has said the “extreme urgency arising from the pandemic" led to it paying more than €9.1m to the company that supplied it with millions of bottles of potentially dangerous hand sanitiser without a formal tender process.
Bannasidhe wrote: » Oh Blanch, trying to make this some silly nationalist thing is beneath even you. Where did I say 'The Irish are better then..." - nowhere except in your imagination. If you are going to claim the current drop in numbers is due to a framework implemented by the govt then equally the rise in numbers was due to the lack of a framework - see how that works? We got the numbers down - they went back up and daily numbers broke all records - if govt is responsible for the first are they not also responsible for the second? Explain to me how closing a pub keeps infection out of a nursing home yet when the pubs were closed infections still got into nursing homes? Perhaps we should be looking at protecting the actual nursing homes? Where is the causal link between a cafe and a nursing home? Perhaps the issue is Builders suppliers? - they are open and there are cases in nursing homes ergo buying nuts and bolts is the problem. Protect economic activity is a great buzz word - unless your work is in an area that's shut down in which case tough. See, that's the thing isn't it - some economic activity is protected (greyhound/horse racing are not only still going on, they are getting increased money from the government) but other rather important in terms of providing employment economic activity is going to the wall. Seems to be lack of joined up thinking... again.
Bannasidhe wrote: » Minister says clothes not essentialhttps://www.independent.ie/irish-news/clothes-are-not-essential-minister-damien-english-insists-essential-retail-list-is-not-confusing-39684604.htmlhttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/clothes-are-not-essential-minister-damien-english-defends-retail-restrictions-1.4395331?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fclothes-are-not-essential-minister-damien-english-defends-retail-restrictions-1.4395331 Supermarkets being allowed to sell clothes when smaller retailers are closed 'unfair' says Taoiseach (oh how the pub owners laughed and laughed and laughed)https://www.irishpost.com/news/micheal-martin-defends-ban-on-sale-of-baby-clothes-and-other-non-essential-items-196509 Gardaí enforcing rules against selling baby clothes and other non-essential items (socks included)https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40073102.html I believe there was much discussion across the media and here on boards about this whole I can walk into a shop and buy a scented candle but not a pair of socks debacle less than a fortnight ago. Can't believe you missed it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » We are in an enforced level 5 lockdown. The people have accepted whatever they have been asked to do. Pointing fingers at others is pointless and a wafer thin excuse to attack your boogeymen and women. It won't stop you but I am not engaging in your macabre politically motivated competition.
blanch152 wrote: » Ok, let's leave aside the sh!tstorm in the North. So tell me Francie then, are the people of Ireland (the South) more responsible than the people of France or Spain? Are we better than the people of Paris? Madrid? Are we better people than the Americans? If it is all down to the people as you say, and nothing to do with the FF/FG/Green government, or any other government (because if one does bad, then the other must be doing good), then you are putting forward some form of inherent superior nationalism as the reason.
franciebrady wrote: And if the Irish people hadn't complied the numbers would be right up to critical levels. Despite the confusion and row back in government the poster is correct, the people did the heavy lifting.
blanch152 wrote: » Ok, let's leave aside the sh!tstorm in the North. So tell me Francie then, are the people of Ireland (the South) more responsible than the people of France or Spain? Are we better than the people of Paris? Madrid? Are we better people than the Americans?If it is all down to the people as you say, and nothing to do with the FF/FG/Green government, or any other government (because if one does bad, then the other must be doing good), then you are putting forward some form of inherent superior nationalism as the reason.
Bannasidhe wrote: » https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070897.html But credit where it's due - they acted quickly, hardly govts fault if they bought potentially dangerous fluid and widely distributed it.
McMurphy wrote: » That contradicts what you earlier said here tbh. So you want to blame the people but not blame the people depending on the way the wind is blowing? Seems to me - you want to give kudos but not Criticism to FFG.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Instead of your usual flamboyant misrepresentation...here is what I said. If you want to dipute what I actually said instead of running off on your usual Get SF at Any Cost rants, knock yourself out.
blanch152 wrote: » This isn't about Sinn Fein at all, Francie, I dropped the NI comparison, it is about your statements about the people taking the credit not the government. You said the people get the credit for the heavy lifting. So again, I ask you, are the people of Ireland (the South) more responsible than the people of France or Spain? Are we better than the people of Paris? Madrid? Are we better people than the Americans? If it is all down to the people as you say, and nothing to do with the FF/FG/Green government, or any other government (because if one does bad, then the other must be doing good), then you are putting forward some form of inherent superior nationalism as the reason.
And if the Irish people hadn't complied the numbers would be right up to critical levels. Despite the confusion and row back in government the poster is correct, the people did the heavy lifting.
And if the Irish people hadn't complied the numbers would be right up to critical levels.
Despite the confusion and row back in government the poster is correct, the people did the heavy lifting.
Solutionking wrote: » Bit of cop on required here. You can order clothes direct to your door. I seen that interview with Miriam, it was embarrassing for her, really someone in the year 2020 doesn't understand about online shopping. If you had "much discussion" then really I don't know how any of you didn't realise about online shopping.
Bannasidhe wrote: » If you had been listening to today's Liveline you would have heard many people discussing how they are not able/comfortable with going on-line. I really don't know how any of you are unaware that there are people in this country, usually elderly who do not have access to the internet or the knowledge of how to use it, who cannot just 'click'. This was also covered in the many many discussions. You don't seem to be aware of much that has been going on tbh. Has this got something to do with new being a newbie?
Solutionking wrote: » I am not trying to say the government are excellent, to be honest I would expect people would want to discuss crime and the failings of the government. Not buying socks
Bannasidhe wrote: » Actually, it is very much coming across that everything good = Government gets credit. Everything not good = Not government's fault is your position. You are also strongly unaware of the main discussions points across all the media over the last few weeks. I suspect shenanigans.
smurgen wrote: » I hope all those that were pissing and moaning about the cost of the convention center are as pissed off about this..... A 10 million euro overpayment of rent now not recoverable paid to Larry Goodman. "In the wake of a highly adversarial meeting of the previous iteration of PAC and the OPW in October of that year, Mr Buckley undertook to revisit the issue of overpayment with the landlord of the building, beef baron Larry Goodman’s Remley Developments."https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40079279.html?type=amp&__twitter_impression=true
joeguevara wrote: » Was this the fault of the government or the office of public works?
smurgen wrote: » I dunno. I heard yesterday that Leo was responsible for the wild atlantic way so when it's positive news the link seems tenuous enough.
joeguevara wrote: » It says its the fault of the Office of Public Works.
smurgen wrote: » Ah ya. Government office. So where were ya going with this?https://www.gov.ie/en/organisation-information/aaa301-history-of-the-office-of-public-works/
Solutionking wrote: » The government has nothing to do with Debenhams. No idea why you think that has any relevance to my post? if you could explain that would be great. Thanks
Bowie wrote: » Leo Varadkar chimed in telling the lie there was no money there. For a supposed impartial person as a public representative you would think if he did open his gob it would be to support the workers rather than lie to side with the liquidators, availing of the loopholes his government left despite the advice after the Clery's scandal.
blanch152 wrote: » https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/explainer-why-are-former-debenhams-workers-picketing-1020881.html Which bit of this explanation is incorrect? Effectively, according to that, Debenhams workers want to rob €20m of taxpayers money and the High Court have found that there is no money or reason to pay and have granted injunctions to Debenhams against the workers? So where did Leo lie when the High Court has backed Debenhams?
